Imperium of Man VS Dalek Empire

[SpaceMarine93]

Seriously, when had the Dalek Empire been pit against anything? I want to know if a Space Marine squad can win a fight against a squad of Daleks, and which standard size battle-fleet, Imperial or Dalek, would win in a space naval engagement.

[Eternal_Freedom]

What era Daleks? What era "standard battle fleet"? We know sod all about Dalek spacecraft capabilities, except that the Imperial Dalek shuttles have "massive ground defences" and that the Motherships can "crack this planet open like an egg."

It's such a pathetically vague scenario its impossible to say.

[Srelex]

A Space Marine in what environment? In closed corridors? In the open? Are we using Dalek ships from the EU or which series?

[Blayne]

Don't the Daleks have sophisticated time travel that largely makes this a wash? Unless the Doctor was close personal friends with the Emperor of Man I don't really see Earth Holy Terra being saved by outside intervention from Dalek time travel shenanigans.

Beyond that the Daleks based on what we have seen on screen do not seem comparable to Space Marines, no less Dreads; and the Imperial Guard has the numbers that modern day Earth forces lacked when it came down to past Dalek invasions.

Take out time travel and it becomes more of an even fight with Daleks still dominating space but losing the ground war.

[Srelex]

Ground forces are a moot point as the Dalek MO for planetary invasions often amounts to bombarding the shit out of it before landing--as in the Dalek Invasion of Earth serial, where they pelted the planet with meteors and viral weapons, and Parting of the Ways, where they apparently blasted future-Earth with enough force to distort continents. Apparently it gets even crazier in the EU.

Besides that, the Dalek Empire at its height apparently encompasses multiple galaxies per that, so even if Dalek vessels are accepted to be made from balsa, it's pretty much just a victory through numbers.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Time travel would certainly be an "I win" button, especialy as this is effectively an alternate-Earth timeline so they can fuck with it as much as they want, it's not part of the Web of Time. And since the Daleks at their height fought the goddamn Time Lords to a standstill the Imperium of Man doesn't stand much of a chance.

Even if time travel is not used (the Daleks may wish to avoid those pesky paradoxes) and even if the Imperium fleet does outnumber the Daleks (which might be possible) the Daleks have a much better FTL so they can hit anywhere. Heck, by the time the first report reaches Holy Terra from the Eastern Fringe about a new xenos menace the Daleks will probably be occupying Earth.

[bilateralrope]

Would the Dalek hatred of all non-Dalek life increase their chance of falling to Khorne ?

[Eternal_Freedom]

The Daleks have never, to my knowledge, demonstrated any form of psychic abilities, making it much harder (IMHO) for them to fall to Chaos. Besides, I fail to see why the Daleks would fall to Chaos anyway.

[Block]

Would the Dalek hatred of all non-Dalek life increase their chance of falling to Khorne ?

Since the Necrons hate all life and haven't been touched by Chaos, I doubt it.

[Srelex]

Would the Dalek hatred of all non-Dalek life increase their chance of falling to Khorne ?

Given how often a big deal is made of Daleks being utterly convinced of their self-superiority over everything else? I doubt it.

[mr friendly guy]

The Daleks have never, to my knowledge, demonstrated any form of psychic abilities, making it much harder (IMHO) for them to fall to Chaos. Besides, I fail to see why the Daleks would fall to Chaos anyway.

You obviously haven't experienced the wonders (sarcasm) of the Expanded universe. PS its the last few paragraphs of episode 4 that you want to read.

[Blayne]

The Necrons IIRC have Inertial-less drives that get them around much faster than the Warp reliant civilizations don't they? Or was that nerfed? Also iirc Terra is the most fortified world in the entire galaxy that it makes 'the second most fortified world seem like a sandcastle' Terra falling to a conventional attack doesn't seem likely.

I think the difficulties in defending 3-dimensional space is something the Imperium is well acquainted with, being able to strike anywhere doesn't seemed to have been on it's own decisive for the Necrons though numbers as mentioned may prove to be the critical difference between Necro failure and Dalek success. The Imperium's salvation would probably come from the Daleks fighting every other civilization at the sametime, heck the more enemies the Imperium has the better it seems to do.

[NecronLord]

The Daleks have never, to my knowledge, demonstrated any form of psychic abilities, making it much harder (IMHO) for them to fall to Chaos. Besides, I fail to see why the Daleks would fall to Chaos anyway.

You obviously haven't experienced the wonders (sarcasm) of the Expanded universe. PS its the last few paragraphs of episode 4 that you want to read.

In fairness to it, in the Planet of the Daleks, they were said to be overcoming the power drain by moving themselves psychically or something like that.

Given that Dr Who telepathy is not the warp, though, yeah.

[Eternal_Freedom]

The Daleks have never, to my knowledge, demonstrated any form of psychic abilities, making it much harder (IMHO) for them to fall to Chaos. Besides, I fail to see why the Daleks would fall to Chaos anyway.

You obviously haven't experienced the wonders (sarcasm) of the Expanded universe. PS its the last few paragraphs of episode 4 that you want to read.

In fairness to it, in the Planet of the Daleks, they were said to be overcoming the power drain by moving themselves psychically or something like that.

Given that Dr Who telepathy is not the warp, though, yeah.

That was Death to the Daleks and it was said to be "psychokinetic power."

As for the Daleks EU...I chose to ignore that crap.

And yes, IIRC the new Codex accurately, the inertiales drive thing has been nerfed so that the Necrons use a bastardised version of the Webway to move about on an interstellar level (the Dolmian gates? something like that.)

[NecronLord]

And yes, IIRC the new Codex accurately, the inertiales drive thing has been nerfed so that the Necrons use a bastardised version of the Webway to move about on an interstellar level (the Dolmian gates? something like that.)

Indeed, of course, the codex is not internally self consistent in this, in that its fluff pieces describe necrons travelling via some other FTL than the webway at times, so who knows.

[The Imperator]

That was Death to the Daleks and it was said to be "psychokinetic power."

As for the Daleks EU...I chose to ignore that crap.

And yes, IIRC the new Codex accurately, the inertiales drive thing has been nerfed so that the Necrons use a bastardised version of the Webway to move about on an interstellar level (the Dolmian gates? something like that.)

Why ignore the EU, it ain't crap In all fairness, unless this is the early era Daleks, I see them winning against the IOM.

Many of the EU books are quite good (Seventh Doctor books in particular). I dislike the Eighth Doctor books, but I read them for the Time Lord feats for debates The only problems, that I see, with the EU is the lack of consistent higher powers. The EU books even have a better continuity than the TV show does.