A few WH40K questions

[Kuja]

lol i do not buy what you guys have wrote in the spoiler windows about vulkan.

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"Vulkan dies."

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Only he doesn't.

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But he will.

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Apparently.

@Connor
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Connor you don't even know the box you're opening oh man

shiftin nerdrage into turbo

My hate for the perpetuals has three principal sources:

1. "They changed it now it sucks."

This one applies pretty much just to Pius. This perpetual bullfuckery just completely wrecked the whole point of what the character used to be. Ollanius Pius was originally something like the patron saint of the Guard - the backstory for him was that he was a member of the Army that took a hit meant for the Emperor and thus saved his bacon during the Heresy.

The point was, he did this, and he was just...a guy. Some army grunt. A jarhead. Not a primarch, or a space marine, or a legendary hero. Just some dude that took a shot meant for the big cheese. He could have been anyone, literally anyone in the entire Imperium, that just happened to be in the right place at the right time and stepped up to the plate to do something heroic.

Oops, now he's a god highlander magical negro Wolverine two days from retirement some bumfuck speshul snowflake in a club of speshul snowflakes who live forever and apparently come back when killed anyway so what the fuck does his sacrifice even fucking mean anymore h҉̮͚̤̖̠̫̫̳o̹̘̺l̶̨̝̮̱͈̘̭͙̭̻ý̙͚̞͓̘ ̴̲͈͞s̶̮͎͕̹h͓͔̮̯̤̹̫̼i͏̮̦̬̱͍͓̣͝t̴̲͎͍͚̥͚͔̗ ̦͔̭̲̖̰͕͔̺́̕t͖͚̯̟̼͘ͅh̶͔̭͘͟ͅi̢͈̯͔͎͞ś̛̳̳̘͡ͅ ̟̭̭̖̙͡i̝̞͇s̫͚̤͔̖̣ͅͅ ̮̦̺͉̖̘̜̜͘ͅa͓̣͍̝̯͇̣͓͠͡c̨͡҉̗̣̩̩̞͔t̲͇̜̀u̵̱̰̲̖̰͎͚̠̻a̷̵̯̻͓͈̺̳̖͡ͅl̴̷̯͍l̡̞̦y͏̨͚ͅ ̧͉̙͇̖͈̮̼̲̀r͏͏҉̥̼̫̼͉e̶̗͓͕̲̣t̤̖̮à̳͕r̸̰͔̜͈͉d̞̖̦̩̦̹̕e̳̖̘̥͎͢ͅd̸͖͓͖̮̝͕͎́ ̴͓̫̯̜̣͞ n̸̢̘̖͔̜͎͉͇̮̟̣̪͟͟͝ͅe̷͎͚̭͍͎͇͍͓̜͕̫̭͙̬͚̪͞͝t̷̡͍̞͚̟̰͔͎̱͍̘̪̫͙̪͟͟͡t̡̛̹̤̞͠͝ͅ ̴̨̛͚͕͔̠͎̟̦͖͙̼͚̝͚̝͙̜̣̞̀̕w҉̡̞͎̼̝͈͙͚͓̪͇͈̫͝h̕͏̡̳͍̯̘̮̻̻̭̹̩̺̙̭̼̯͕̪͈̻a̵̜̠̘̗̱͘t̷̢͎͔͈̼͈͢͠ ̶͕̮̰̲̫̭̬̣̭̙͈t͡͏͉͖̙̪̹͚ͅh̷̦̮̣̜̱͙̟̝͙̲͔̺͚͔͎̫̀͘͠e̴̡̨̝̙̥ͅ ̶҉̬͕̯̼͎̝̼̙̺̞͕̹̜͖̫͇͇̥͜f̧̤̹͖͔̖͞͡u̡͇̟͎͇͕͔͙̼͎̯̦̭̩̬̝ͅͅc̴̀͘҉͈̼͇͖͉̤̦͖͚̻̮͖k̷̘̬̠̩͇̝̹̞̫̙̯͝ ͇̮̝͕͚̰̬̯̭̦̟̝͓͢͜͡͡ẃ̷̷̥̻͙̺̬̭̮̟͔̮͈è̷̴̘̯͕̣̣̱͔͕͇ͅͅr̵̩̱̜̬̤̼͟͟͢͠e̡͞҉̻̩̮̻̬̦͚̞̀ͅ ̫̟̬͚̻̝̻͖̹͢͡ý̸̨̻̻̗̪̟͟͡o̷̠̠̩͖̟̹̬͕̟̤̘͖̬̜̖̞̙̺̳͢u̸̴̧͏̭̣̜͖̗ ̷̴̜̱̝͙̤͍̪͚̻̘̖̳̤̩͓̮̣ͅt̡̡̺̮͉̰̼̘̤̰̱̜͉̗̹̜̟̙h҉̶̪̘͉̭͘i̡̡̨̛͙̼̦̘̰͓̠͖͉̙̼̲̞̖̞̕ǹ̴̵͓̼̪̟̠ķ̷͔̤̰̮͕̜̙͎̙̟̼̲̖͕̗̰͜͢i̴̧̢̨͍͇̞̗͍͖̝n̶̗̥͎̗̲̥͉̠̫̱̟͡ͅg̶̨͎͓̗̯̹͇̖͈̹̗̪̮̳̙̰̤̟̭͘͞



2. "Superman is weak against kryptonite. And magic."

Look, 40K has always had its tongue planted so firmly in its cheek the thing goes right through the flesh and waggles at you.

It's a setting with literal demons and literal demonslayers and truenames and every over-the-top cliche you can think of.

But this perpetual shit is writing so cheap and over-the-top it's the level of comic book stuff, and I mean that in the worst way. Immortal highlanders Wolverines that can only be killed by kryptonite Folger's Crystals fulgurite. I keep waiting for Reed Richards to show up, smoking his Silver Age pipe and saying 'not now, Pius, I have to work on the Negative Zone.' It's like someone at GW said the superhumans in power armor weren't epic enough. IT NEEDS TO BE 50% MORE EPIC

3. "The Complete John Grammaticus Book Series, Special Appearance by Horus"

Partially this is the fault of GW running the Heresy series like a football team that's up by two touchdowns with ten to go in the fourth quarter: game plan is to drag it out.

But when I started buying Horus Heresy books I was looking forward to...astonishingly enough, stories about the Horus Heresy. Not "The Secret History of the Imperium: as Shaped by the Cabal of Immortal Dudes form Out of Time" led by airlock specialist John Grammaticus who blew himself out into space because wut haev i dun and now we have to deal with more of his shit because some alien rammed an ovipositor down his throat and laid an egg in his brain or something.

Actually this one is kind of being unfair to the whole perpetuals deal, they've just become an avatar of what I hate about how GWs developed the series with constant annoying WAT A TWEESTs in their efforts to balloon book sales. Ultramarines fucking about with the Second Imperium and blood angels showing up there because TWEEST, Alpha Legion playing both sides because TWEEST, Fulgrim is a demon (not anymore) (wait yeah he is but it's him for real) because TWEEST. TWEEST. TWEEST. The last book I paid money for was "Fear To Tread" and the ending made me want to slap someone. After that I decided to stop buying HH novels (it doesn't hurt my decision that GW is trying to push those gargantuan $20 paperback editions).

In conclusion. I'm not a fan.

I hereby sentence Dan Abnett to thirty years of Queen's "Who Wants to Live Forever" on perpetual (HAH!) loop for his responsibility in this matter.

[Tandrax218]

ok this is bad !!!!

I wanted to read all the HH books but never found the time. Has the siege started in the series or is it just " almost there " ALL THE TIME??

if this is the case i just wish BIG E would rise from the throne and bitch slap everyone at GW

[Juubi Karakuchi]

ok this is bad !!!!

I wanted to read all the HH books but never found the time. Has the siege started in the series or is it just " almost there " ALL THE TIME??

if this is the case i just wish BIG E would rise from the throne and bitch slap everyone at GW

Yes and no.

'Yes' in that they tend to go over much the same time period repeatedly. 'No' in that they do it from different perspectives in different places.

The opening trilogy (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames), aren't bad. I'm tempted to regard them as the weakest, but they provide a reasonable introduction. From then my personal recommendations are Flight of the Eisenstein, Know no Fear, Deliverance Lost, The First Heretic, A Thousand Sons, Mechanicum, and Angel Exterminatus. If I had to pick favourites, I would select A Thousand Sons and Angel Exterminatus, since they flesh out two hitherto fairly mysterious primarchs (Magnus the Red and Perturabo respectively) in ways that struck a chord with me.

[Ahriman238]

I'd add Fulgrim to the list of recommendations, just because it does so well making each small step towards the abyss seem so minor, until you step back or someone is melted by a tuba. And I admit to really enjoying Fear to Tread. Of course, Deliverance Lost, Mechanicum, and the First Heretic all have "secret history of the Imperium" elements. So really it's how it's handled.

Even the short stories and Prospero Burns were alright. I'd say just pretend there weren't any Dark Angel books, Legion and the Outcast Dead and you should be fine. Then again, I haven't yet touched Know no Fear, Angel Exterminatus or Vulkan Lives, so cannot comment.

[Imperial Overlord]

I didn't really care for Fulgrim. It suffers from being PG fall into depravity instead of NC-17. It can't help but read as being watered down and self censored because it is. It's a recurrent problem with Slaanesh, of course. Blowing open a man's chest and melting his flesh into putrid slime are considered more acceptable than depicting sexual debauchery after all.

[Black Admiral]

It doesn't help that Graham McNeill genuinely does not seem to be having much fun writing the Emperor's Children in general or Fulgrim in specific. I mean, maybe this is just me, but it felt like the parts of Fulgrim dealing with the Iron Hands, and those of Angel Exterminatus following the Iron Warriors or the crew of the Sisypheum, were things that McNeill was genuinely having fun writing, while the EC sections were a chore.