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Imperial Fists novels analyis thread

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Well, I've decided that its time to create a separate thread for potential Imperial Fists novels. Usually my criteria for this is 'There has to be the potential of more than one novel devoted to the group.' Up to now I've only had 'Sons of Dorn', and I wasn't sure it would go anywhere as a series (it doesn't seem to have.) so its sat on my HD. But the BL site has noted that Ben Counter is releasing an Imperial Fists novel, and so... that means I can create a thread, as its likely Mr Counter will make more at some poitn in the future.

So here we have Sons of Dorn, by Chris Roberson. IT wsa an okay novel.. it reminded me alot of 'Space Marine' in some ways. You had that 'humans turned into Space Marines' where we follow the process. Except that it focuses more on the scout phase of things and the events leading up to being a Marine. Which is rather different as Space Marine stories go, and is noteworthy for that. Story wise its nothing great but not exactly horrible either - you have 3 candidates formign a sort of triad, there's the same rivalries you get as in Space Marine, etc. Its strong poitns as a book are more in covering/explaining the 'creation process' aspect of Space Marines than anything, explaining the Fists and how they work, and generally the interactions between the three protagonists and their comrades.

This will also be a single update, whcih means that if Mr Counter does not make more IF novels this will also be probably one of the smallest threads I've ever done for a series :P


Page 8
Surpassed in the Chapter’s estimation only by Primarch Rogal Dorn himself, Rhetoricus had near the end of his life distilled all he knew of combat and conquest, of weapons and warriors. In the resulting work, The Book of Five Spheres, Rhetoricus detailed the strengths and limitations of all of the potential weapons in a warrior’s arsenal, but reserved his greatest praise for the sword, which he considered the most perfect close-combat weapon ever devised by the mind of man.
I can't quite wrap my mind around what is sillier, a name that must have come right out of a CS Goto novel, or the idea that the Imperial Fists are really masochistic samurai analogues now.


PAge 9
...full weight of the tau forces led by Commander Brightsword fell on Nimbosa before the Imperium’s forces had arrived. Not a single human colonist survived the assault, down to the youngest child.
Oh those wacky Tau. Imagine Brightsword trying to explain how this was 'For the Greater Good.'


Page 11
First he had failed to avert the tau offensive, and as a result he considered the death of the human colonists in their millions as his responsibility, and his alone.
Ah it wasn't a small colony either. FOR THE GREATER GOOD!


PAge 13
The Chapter followed the wishes of Primarch Rogal Dorn, who had famously said that he desired “recruits, not vassals”, and who had wanted nothing of the responsibilities that came with having a home world to maintain. Instead, the Imperial Fists recruited from any number of inhabited planetary systems, visiting them in turn every few generations.
I think this is supposed to explain why they are a fleet based chapter and make them out to be more of free-thinking, thoughtful types. But they're not Descended from Guilliman, so it clearly fails :P


PAge 84
None of the three Triandrians could understand one another, but it hardly mattered. Captain Taelos was fully versed in all the languages of Triandr, thanks to linguistic implants via hypno-conditioning onboard the Imperial Fist strike cruiser Capulus while still en route to the planet.
Linguistic implants and hypno conditioning on the strike cruiser teach the Fist all the languages of the planet.


Page 86
It would seem a successful cull,” Taelos said, his gaze scanning the battlefield, and his battle-brothers escorting young warriors in small groups to the gunships.
“Nearly two thousand, at last count,” Sergeant Hilts replied.
“Good,” Taelos answered. “With luck, perhaps a few of them will survive the trials.”
Hilts nodded in reply. “We should get a few neophytes out of this crop, I would expect. And maybe some of them will even make it to battle-brother.”
They expect to get a few possible canidates from a thousand from this planet alone. Ouch. Of course not all will die, just many of the,


Page 93
The captain and the other Imperial Fists who had gone on the recruiting mission to the surface of Triandr had performed preliminary physical examinations by auspex, as they had on more than a dozen worlds before, returning to the strike cruiser only with those candidates who fit the physical profile. But the examinations which the Apothecary would employ in the coming weeks and months would be considerably more robust, and could potentially find defects and incompatibilities undetectable by a standard auspex.
"weeks and months" of examinations, which was preceded by preliminary scanning by the recruiters via auspex, culling the recruits of a dozen worlds. I will admit, this sounds better than some of the other practices I've read of (EG Blood Ravens in Goto's DoW novels.)


Page 94
..the aspirants selected from the planet below were all young men between the ages of ten and fourteen years, all of suitable phenotype and morphology. Any potentials who had been beyond the age of fourteen had been left behind, deemed as already too fully grown for the successful administration of an Astartes’ implants, which required that the recipient’s body still be in the process of development. And while an auspex could do a basic scan of tissue compatibility, there was the possibility of variation on the genetic level that could still result in implanted organs failing to develop properly, which could only be identified in cellular-level examination in a fully equipped Apothecarion.
Physical/genetic parameters of the potential recruits, and why they need to recruit so young and be selective.


Page 94
As important as physical compatibility was in an aspirant, mental suitability was of equal importance, if not greater. Of the implants, the catalepsean node and occulobe could only develop to a fully functional condition under the stimulus of hypnotic suggestion. If the recruit’s mind proved to be resistant to hypno-conditioning, there would be no point in proceeding. Fortunately, among the first procedures performed on the aspirants upon their arrival to the strike cruiser was the force-teaching of Imperial Gothic by means of hypno-casques, and if the aspirant emerged from the process still unable to speak and comprehend the Imperium’s common tongue, it was a sure indicator that the more sophisticated hypnotic techniques employed in implantation would likewise fail.
the mental aspects of Space Marine recruiting and training - they indoctrinate them into the language and test to make sure they are receptive to other hypnotic techniques.


Page 113
..a final Triandrian youth was escorted to them, leaving their number at an even dozen.
A dozen out of close to a thousand. That's better than "a few" I guess, but not by much, since this is only the beginning of things.


Page 127
“This one no longer belongs among you. He is not now worthy to wear the gold armour of the Imperial Fists, nor will he ever be. Instead, he is to be reduced in status to a Chapter serf, and banished to the bowels of this strike cruiser. There he will tend her engines for the rest of his natural life, and if the Techmarine so wills it perhaps he will continue to serve the ship and Chapter as a servitor even after death claims him.”
Failed recruits who don't die will become serfs and eventually (if worthy) servitors. Yay efficiency?


Page 131
When the twelve Triandrian aspirants entered through the now-opened door, there were already several dozen youths inside, perhaps as many as a hundred.
As many as a hundred from the 12 or thirteen worlds recruited from. or 100 out of 12-13 thousand or so, if the recruitment numbers were similar.


Page 147-148
It was a gibbet, a roughly cubical scaffolding of metal rods, from which was suspended what appeared at first glance to be a representation of the flayed skin of a grown man. With legs and arms and torso fabricated of a transparent material threaded with a network of needle-thin silvery wires, it lacked only a head and the tops of the shoulders to make it fully man-shaped.

"The pain glove" the Chaplain continued with an increased degree of reverence in hisvoice. "is an all-encompassing tunic of electrofibres suspended in a steel gibbet. These electrofibres interact directly with the nerves of the supplicant's flesh, sending excruciating pain signals ot the brain without causing any physical harm to the body itslef. The stimulation produces the same sensations as being burned allive, but with no actual damage being done... to the flesh, at least. The supplicant is kept conscious throughout the process, while waves of pain wash over him, but there are limits to the body's ability to process such intense sensations of pain, whether real or simulated."
Basically it can get so intense they're driven mad. The Pain Glove of course was a throwback to Ian Watson's space marine novel. Rather amazing its held through all these ages, considering it (like most things in tha tnovel) was meant to be a joke.


Page 157
Taloc’s head ached with the glut of information that had been forced into him over the previous weeks, both the knowledge that had been implanted by frequent sessions under the hypno-casque, and the lessons he had received verbally at the hands of the Chaplain, captain and sergeants. The knowledge gained through the former—basic concepts of science and technology and biology and interstellar cosmology and more implanted directly into his subconscious—had allowed him to better grasp the substance of the latter—histories of primarch and Chapter and the Imperium, introductory surveys on the nature of humanity’s variegated enemies—but still Taloc found it difficult to digest all that he had been taught.
The recruits have weeks of indoctrination and force-fed information from the hypno-casques as well as other lessons. Note the learning of "basic concepts" like science and biology and cosmology nad such, which is used as a basis fro the more formal instruction delivered by the marines.


Page 168
There were only twelve aspirants now, their number winnowed from the hundred or so of a month or more ago to the dozen deemed most suitable to continue with the initiation process.
12 out of 100 or so. In other words to this point 1 out of 1000 recruits or so survived.


Page 180
The neophytes would remain Scouts until the time that they had at last proven their valour and skill on the field of battle, at which point they would be marked out for the seventeenth and final implantation procedure.
The Black Carapace. Oddly this implies that the main difference physically/mentally between an Astartes and a Scout is having the carapace and acessing power armor. PHysically, mentally, etc they could be just as strong/durable.


Page 180
Four long years of hypno-conditioning to aid them in weathering the emotional fluctuations as their bodies struggled to integrate and initiate their new organs. Long years of chemical treatments to aid the body’s acceptance of the implanted organs, while the implants were constantly monitored for any sign of imbalance or corrupt development. Four years of physical training to stimulate the implants and test their effectiveness, and of indoctrination in the hypnomat and hypno-casque to train their minds to function at peak efficiency, learning to control their sensory and nervous systems to degrees unthinkable by normal humans.
Years worth of mental/psychological conditioning, chemical and genetic conditioning, physical conditioning, and outright brainwashing to maximize and control the efffects of their development.


Page 183
....had bruised Jean-Robur to the bone.
And though his implant-augmented metabolism had quickly repaired the damage, knitting broken blood vessels and restoring vigour to the impacted flesh, Jean-Robur could still feel the impact of each and every strike...
Example of the Spcae Marine healing factor in action.


Page 189
Though the muscles of the Scouts’ augmented and engineered bodies were nearly the equal of Hilts’ own, at least in theory, they lacked his expertise and experience, his agility and his innate speed. The fact that he could cover a span of six paces before Taloc could complete two should have come as no surprise to any of them.
Then again, Soul Drinkers scouts in a group of several couldn't overwhelm a Crimson Fists Space Marine. Maybe it is something that varies form Chapter to Chapter. Or it may just be a further indicator of how inept the Soul Drinkers are overall.
Either way, we get at least another poenential distinction between Marines and Scouts.


Page 192-193
Instead, the Scout armour was simpler, more light-weight and quieter in movement, with a greater freedom of motion, but in exchange not nearly so formidable and durable. Formed of thick plates of carapace armour that were capable of stopping a slug projectile, the armour offered no motive power or strength enhancement, and perhaps as importantly left the wearer’s head bare and unarmoured.
Totally unpowered, in other words. AGain something to contrast with Soul Drinker scouts, whose carapace was "semi powered"
You also have to wonder at the obvious lack of head protection. Its not like scouting woudl totally forbid any sort of headgear, it just would make total enclosure undesirable.


Page 197
..Librarian Franz Grenstein and Chaplain Lo Chang emerged into view side-by-side. Both Librarian and Chaplain wore force swords in scabbards slung at their waists.
Yes. Thta's a Chaplain with a Force sword. Lo Chang showed upi in Space Marine as well IIRC.


PAge 205
The sluggish sea which stretched out to the eastern horizon was not water, but instead a vast ocean of black oil, which surged and slurped audibly against the rocky shore—once the planet had supported an ecosystem of zooplankton and algae, at least, but what life there had been had been reduced to petrochem.
An ocean of black gold ripe for the plundering by the Imperium.



Page 208
...the mineral wealth of Vernalis was found in the massive oceans of oil that rested on her surface. Settled by Imperial colonists some millennia before, Vernalis was a world entirely dependent on the rest of the Imperium to survive. Though rich beyond the dreams of avarice in theory, given the all-but-endless supply of petrochem that could be leeched off her surface, Vernalis was in practice lacking in virtually all of those things necessary to sustain human life.

Other than a breathable atmosphere, engendered on the planet by early terraforming efforts, and a comfortably standard gravity, everything else on Vernalis had to be brought in via warp from other planetary systems. Food, water, raw materials and so forth—all arrived as regular as a heartbeat at the orbital stations that perched in geosynchronous orbit atop towering orbital elevators. And the refined product of the planet’s innumerous refineries climbed those same orbital elevators, to be loaded in the cargo holds of the visiting craft as soon as the delivered goods had been unloaded. Then the craft delivered the refined petrochem to the neighbouring systems, to be dispersed and disseminated, and a short while later the craft returned with more necessities, sundries and the occasional luxury item to Vernalis.
The situation and conditions on Vernalis. The interesting thing is implication of Imperial terraforming, although it might refer to some earlier time (DAoT perhaps). The orbital elevators and station are interesting too.
We also get an indicator of the interdependence and economic situation of the Imperium


Page 212
...the grainy visual images which had accompanied the radio transmissions that had been intercepted a few light-days out from Vernalis by a passing ship of the Imperial Fleet, who had then relayed the information astropathically to the Imperial authorities[/quote]
I'm not sure what a starship was doing a few light days out from a system, since there would be nothing out there and they should be able to emerge from the warp closer.


Page 216
Upon emerging from the warp in the skies above Vernalis, the strike cruiser Titus had been able to confirm via orbital reconnaissance that the population centres near the planet’s north pole had been deserted, and that the refineries appeared to be running in fully automated modes, crewed by servitors but without any human staff in place.
Oh dear. Yet another case where a starship emerges from the warp in close orbit around a planet. If this keeps up I may not be able to use my "edg eof the system" assumptions anymore ;)


PAge 221-222
The majority of the inhabitants resided in a bare handful of hab-domes near the north pole, with a small but functional spaceport situated nearby.
...
..the only major arteries being the tram lines that connected the hives to one another..
Habitation on planet and major transportation.


PAge 222
Vernalis had, as any Imperial world was required to do, raised a Planetary Defence Force. However, the most recent reports received by the Imperial authorities were that the Vernalis PDF was a relatively small force, a thousand or so infantry at best.

The bulk of the planetary defence rested on the servitor-governed systems, consisting of station-to-ship batteries on the orbital stations and ground-to-air batteries at strategic locations on the planet’s surface.
This suggests the population is maybe in the hundreds of thousands or millions. Note the non soldier PDF defences - orbital guns, surface guns, and all crewed by servitors.


Page 223
However, it appeared that none of the automated refineries had sustained any significant damage...
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The ground-to-air batteries of the automated planetary defences, finally, were intact, and appeared to be fully functional. Each of them was protected by an all-but-impenetrable void shield, each with its own independent generator. Crewed entirely by servitors and with all the defence systems governed by the master controls in the mountain stronghold on the western hemisphere, there were no human crew onsite who might run scared and abandon their posts. So long as the void shields were not deactivated, the batteries were virtually indestructible from any ground-based attack, and had enough firepower to knock any air-based approach out of the sky before an aerial assault could be launched.
The planet seems to rely greatly on automation of its facilities and defenses, especially the defences. Batteres and the master controls perhpas were void shielded.


Page 231-232
..skeletal figure who might once have been a woman, took two shots to the chest...
...
A third shot seared into the Roaring Blade’s shoulder...
...
Though the Roaring Blade wore ragged battle-armour which had deflected some of Jean-Robur’s shots, at least one of the three bolts that Jean-Robur had fired had bored into the Roaring Blade’s flesh itself. But even with one of its arms blown away below the elbow, the injury was not slowing the Roaring Blade down—if anything, it seemed to draw strength from the injuries, even pleasure.
The Chaos enhanced Roaring blades, devotees of Slaanesh, are extremely resilient to Scout bolter fire - hell even their armour (rather miarculously) seems to deflect bolter shots. Although we dont know what kind of armor they wear.


Page 234
It was believed by Imperial intelligence that the nervous systems of the Roaring Blades had been altered by their masters in the Emperor’s Children, so that their bodies now reacted in the same way to pain that a normal human body reacted to adrenaline. As a result, if a Roaring Blade received injuries on the field of battle, even fatal ones, they would actually be strengthened as a result, becoming ever more ferocious and deadly, right up to the point when they finally collapsed from their wounds.
Yes, that would explain why they were resistant to Space Marine gunfire. And it would be right in line with what Fabius Bile might do. Or at least some Emperor's Children dickhead like him.


Page 235
But as the Roaring Blades ploughed ahead despite the first shots of bolt-fire which exploded in arms and heads and chests like red blossoms..
...
For every Roaring Blade who was dropped by a direct shot from a bolt pistol to the head, or left incapable of advancing when well-placed bolt-fire blew their legs out from under them, there were five more who charged on, ignoring the gaping wounds in their trunks and arms.
Bolter fire blowing off limbs, possibly blowing apart or blowing massive holes in heads... and the Blades keep coming on. One has to admire Chaos' facility for bestowing unnatural resilience on their minions.


Page 239
It would have taken two cuts for a normal blade to sever the Roaring Blade’s head from his shoulder, perhaps three; but like the combat blades wielded by his brothers, Zatori’s sword possessed a monomolecular edge, and sliced easily through the enemy’s neck in a single stroke.
The Blade in question had been described as a "large", bull like man" - so we get a good example of what a monoblade in the hands of a Scout can do.


Page 243-244
He was a neophyte, Scout s’Tonan of the Imperial Fists. Within five years one of his progenoid glands would be mature, followed in another five by the other. But if Taloc were to die before those initial five years had passed, the line of zygotes implanted within him would die as well, and the Chapter would be robbed not only of Taloc’s future service as a battle-brother, but of the service of all those who would have arisen from his gene-seed in future years.
Its curious why the progenoids have two different rates of maturation. I dont get why or dont know if it's ever been explained.


Page 244
Then in the next instant a sizzling blast of las-fire lanced right through the Vulpes Scout’s right eye, punching out the back of his skull.
This may or may not imply it blew out the back of his skull, or it may just mean the shot punched straight through leaving a narrow hole. Lasguns do both after all. Either way it would probably mean single to double digit kj or thereabouts, so I suppose it doesnt matter tremendously sayve in how many single/double digit kilojoules we're talking.
It is also worth noting that many of the lasweapons we see often tend to run out of ammo after a few shots, and are noted to generlaly be ancient and poorly maintained weapons, meaning the effects would be a lower limit performance in any case (for various reasons.)


Page 250
Jean-Robur could feel the Roaring Blade’s increased strength, as the scarecrow’s tweaked nervous system pumped adrenaline and endorphins in response to the free-bleeding shoulder wound. In another instant, the scarecrow’s strength might be even greater.
We see yet again the benefits of Emperor's Children tinkering - the individual guardsmen can come close to or equal a neophyte Scout Marine - int erms of raw strength at least. Although what it costs them in temrs of physical damage and loss of endurance they suffer... then again since when has that stoppped CSM? Altho7ugh one would think that they'd have run out of Roaring Blades by this point.


Page 252
The last of the Roaring Blades fell in a hail of bolt-fire, as half-a-dozen Scouts turned their bolt pistols on it at once, hitting it with so many rounds that the wretch’s head evaporated.
Half dozen bolt pistols "evaporate" a single head. Literlaly or figuratively, make up your own mind.


Page 252
..Hilts paused to inspect one of the fallen enemy’s lasrifles, and it was revealed that the firearm was an antique that’d had only enough charge in its power cells for two or three shots before it was completely drained. The lasrifle was of use now only as a cudgel or club, its usefulness as a ranged weapon completely lost.
Like I said, these are hardly high quality, top of the line lasweapons, and certainly not well maintained.


Page 257
"The bulk of the enemy forces appear to have left the planet more than a week ago.."
A week to leave the system and engter the warp to travel elsewhere.


Page 257
“they had no way of letting anyone know. They apparently sent out radio signals that are even now only a few light-days away, if anyone was in the path of the signal to receive it.”
implication - not much time has passed for the SCouts since the initial message was received - a handful of days, certianly less than a week.


Page 257-258
“I believe that…” Lysander began, and then raised a gauntleted finger for silence as his head tilted almost imperceptibly to one side. He paused for a brief instant, listening to a closed-channel vox, and then nodded.
..
“The Titus signals that they have received astropathic communication from the planet Quernum, an Imperial colony a few light years from here. Quernum reports that they are under attack by Chaotic forces, whose orbital vessels match the composition and variety of the craft scanned by the Vernalian defence systems.”
An imperial colony "a few light years" from Vernalis under attack by the EC CSM forces and their minions. Implies travelling at least a few ly (more probably 10 or so LY) in a matter of days.
Not bad for non-navigator vessels


Page 277
A blockhouse of metal and stone marked the join between the pipeline and the mountain itself, with a variety of access panels dotted here and there, and a pair of large metal hatches, one opening to the west and one to the east
...
An Astartes in power armour would likely be able to break through into the blockhouse’s interior with only a few moments effort by pounding on the seam between hatch and stone with his gauntleted fists..
By itself the blockhouse isnt much quote-wise. But it will be useful later so I'm actually just setting things up at this point.


Page 280
The refugee leaders had doubted that even Imperial default override codes would suffice, given the modifications made to the system since its installation long years before..
It seems standard Imperial procedure to have override codes to the planetary defences of an Imperial planet, although modifications (or hacking) can overcome this. (although I'm betting doing so gets you in deep shit with the Imperium)


Page 285
...it was not until he went to live among the Imperial Fists that he learned that his home world was less populated and considerably less technologically advanced than was typical for Imperial worlds..
I guess this is an indicator that "Imperial worlds" are more sophisitcated (on average) than most feral or feudal worlds, tech wise. Of course this isnt neccesarily saying much (I mean we could be takling anything from early nineteen hundreds to hundreds of years beyond modern time by the context) :P
Some sources also make distinctions between "Imperial" and "Imperial aligned" worlds - basically member worlds and client states/colonies/protectorates of a lesser status. The "member worlds" coiuld all be high tech and sophisticated and generally more consistent, while the colonies/protectorates/client states can be of a much greater diversity (and less importance/status.) Hell, the AdMech and Space Marine territories are independent and probably also contribute to that variation.


PAge 289
..Jean-Robur held his auspex up and took a full spectrum of readings. “It continues at a slightly elevated grade for at least a kilometre or more before turning,”
Implies the auspex has a range of kilometre or so, at least as far as mapping goes.


Page 291
But before Derex could even respond, the hunter-killer anti-aircraft missile struck home. The charge exploded on contact, blowing a hole clean through the front glacis armour plate shielding the flight deck.

...
It was only then that the veteran-sergeant caught a glimpse of the charred stub of a neck atop the pilot’s unmoving shoulders, and Scout Grigor slumped over the monitoring station.
...
At that moment, the second hunter-killer antiaircraft missile struck the Thunderhawk high on its rear flank, managing to punch a hole through not only the armour-plated hull but the heavy shielding beneath that contained the gunship’s fusion reactor.
A pair of hunter killer missiles shoot down a Thunderhawk. To be fair, I remember HK missiles being able to carry a variety of warheads (Krak, melta, etc.) so we dont know what kind of warhead it could be.


Page 299
“You’ll need to watch the build-up inside the coils,”
...
“And even if it doesn’t blow back,” Scout Sandor put in, standing a respectful distance from the weapon, almost as if it would fire of its own accord and boil him to a fine mist, “the housing assembly is going to get hot.”
Indication of the riskiness in using plasma weapons. Whether it literally boils the scout or not up for debate - hell it could be implied vaporization even. Of course even if it does literally vaporize (and that is a possible interpretation) that could be a fully charged plasma weapon, which has however many shots in it it might have (10-20 or more perhaps) so the "per shot" output would be considerably less (single or double digits or less, depending on if we go with boil or vaporize. IF we assume it means just blowing him apart in a really fine way, the gun might carry single digit MJ totally and have, for example, high kj range shots.)


PAge 301
Plasma weapons of any kind were somewhat rare, even among the Adeptus Astartes, but the Scouts of the Imperial Fists had been rated on all of the ranged weapons in the Chapter’s armoury as a matter of course. This particular plasma gun was of a somewhat different pattern than that upon which Zatori and the others had trained, though, and the detachable plasma flasks it employed were considerably larger. As a result of the greater quantity of the photohydrogen fuel available for the weapon’s plasma reaction, it could be fired for a much longer span of time than a typical plasma gun without requiring refuelling; however, it shared with all plasma weapons the need to allow the core to cool between shots, or else the tremendous heat given off by the reaction would not sufficiently dissipate, and in short order the unit would overheat and, ultimately, explode.
More on the plasma weapons. Note the "photohydrogen" magic stuff and the variable size flask/clip.


PAge 302
Zatori sighted along the back of the weapon at a random outcropping atop a rocky hill several hundred metres away to the south-east.
...
Holding his breath to steady his aim, he depressed the firing stud on the grip.
Zatori’s pupils contracted rapidly as the blindingly bright bolt of plasma lanced out of the weapon’s barrel. Though not as fast as bursts from a lasgun, plasma bolts had a far greater muzzle velocity than the bolts fired by a bolt pistol or bolter, closing the distance from weapon to target in the merest fraction of an instant.

The rock outcropping vanished in a flash of searing heat and explosive shock, sending a puff of atomised flint into the air, a small black cloud that lingered a few metres over the ground.
We dont know how big the outcropping is anyhow, so don't ask. The more itneresting bits are the comments on velocity (far faster than a bolter but slower than a lasgun shot, which means anywhere from hypervelocity to relativistic) and that the plasma bolt has both explosive and thermal effects (like a minautre nuclear bomb, I suppose)


Page 306
The architects of the Bastion had known that an external antenna on the outer skin of the mountain would be vulnerable to attack by ground or aerial elements, and the cost in power-consumption of a force-field to shield such an antenna made protecting it from such an attack unfeasible. Which is how they hit upon the notion of burying the antenna.
...
The skein of metal and machinery was threaded through nearly the entire surface of the mountain, only a few metres beneath the outer skin. And though the resulting signal strength was only a mere fraction of what an antenna of that size could effect in the open air, the broadcast array was more than powerful enough to reach the overlapping network of relay links which dotted the western hemisphere and rebroadcast the data on to the rest of the planet’s surface.
Discussion of the means of defense designers in protecting antenna (comms arrays I asusme.)


Page 313
But with magnoculars set to view far into the infrared end of the spectrum, Captain Taelos was able to see clearly the column of dust approaching the mountain Bastion from the south-east.
Taelos' magnoculars have infrared capability.. implied to be "multi-spectrum" though.


Page 318
A Roaring Blade with a lascutter and unobstructed access could make short work of one of the hatches, and once within the blockhouse could gain entry into the Bastion itself in a relatively short amount of time. And the three side-by-side pipes of the pipeline themselves were likewise a vulnerable spot, as they were wide enough in diameter for even a Noise Marine in full armour to traverse; if the enemy were to somehow breach the pipes further out in the grey desert unnoticed, they could march unseen right into the heart of the Bastion.
I dont remember why I quoted this, but I think it was to show that the piepliens near the blockhouse were also a danger and needed blocking off.


Page 319
He was already busy, firing blasts from his melta gun at the slope above the blockhouse, gradually turning the corpse-flesh grey flint and shale of the mountain’s skin into white-hot molten slag. When Taloc gave the word, Fulgencio would cut a channel from this molten rock down to where Taloc and Jedrek now stood, and the slag would pour down the channel to engulf the blockhouse completely.
...
...ready to signal Fulgencio to send the cascade of molten slag pouring down over the blockhouse.
Meltagun melting enough rock over an unknown period (But without needing a recharge it would seem) to cover the entire blochouse (which is big enough to allow entry for Space MArines at least)


Page 324
The blindingly bright bolt of plasma shot through the open air, narrowly missing the Noise Marine but completely disintegrating the head and shoulders of a Roaring Blade standing a metre or so to the left.
effect of the aforementioned plasma gun.


Page 325-326
...both of them signalled readiness to Scout Fulgencio, who was keeping careful watch on the growing pool of molten slag that he had melted behind a small damming ridge a few dozen metres higher up the mountain’s slope.
Taloc could hear the sizzle and pop of the liquid rock as it sizzled impossibly hot only a short distance away, but only barely, the sounds of the battle which was only now beginning around the wide curve of the mountain now growing louder with each passing instant. Even if the enemy didn’t know about the pipeline and blockhouse, it was only a matter of time before they sent scouting parties to surround the mountain to search for other points of entrance less well defended than the barricaded main hatch.

Fulgencio fired the melta gun at the low ridge which dammed the pool of molten slag, and the searing white-hot liquid began to flow sluggishly down the slope towards the ruined blockhouse. To make sure that the molten rock did not begin to cool and solidify en route, Fulgencio continued to fire blasts from the melta gun into the pool above, ensuring that it remained at the highest possible temperature.

As the molten slag began to pour over the blockhouse...
Using the meltagun to keep the temperature of the molten rock "white hot" - which isn't an easy figure to derive but we might figure at least 1500-3000K as per here and the specific heat of rock (nevermind melting point) we're probably talking many many megajoules per k (a good 2-4 at least - at white hot it probably is BOILING) The Energy expended in total is going to be well into the gigajoules range evne if it was a single ton of rock heated, and we're probably talking tens if not hundreds of tons (to cover the blockhouse anyhow) so we're talking probably hundreds of GJ easily total, at least.
Now bear in mind that the numbers are approximations of the TOTAL energy expenditure by the meltagun, not a "per shot" basis. We dont know much about the number of shots or settings used, and meltaguns like all 40K weapons have variable settings. But its telling that meltaguns can eaisly discharge large amounts of energy like that. Hell I can be off by orders of magnitude and this is still damn impressive (lets say only a few hundred megajoules were actually expended. This can still mean meltaguns pump out single or double digit MJ per shot at LEAST, and that is still damn impressive for a heavy weapon.)


Page 335
Zatori couldn’t hear the next sonic blast, but he could feel it, vibrating through the ledge beneath him and up his arms and legs.
Sandor stood for a moment like he’d forgotten what he was about to say, a somewhat perplexed expression on his face. Then he began to shake back and forth, slight vibrations from his head and arms to begin with, then wider and wider movements of his neck and torso, until finally his entire body was vibrating like a pearl of water dropped onto a hot skillet. Sandor turned to Zatori for a brief, agonised moment, a confused look on his face, and then his eyes rolled up in his head as torrents of blood burst from his ears on either side. Then, as his body slumped to the ground, Sandor’s eyes burst from his skull, splattering in all directions.
Noise marine weaponry - good at shattering and exploding things, but they don't do it immediately.
Hell considering they've fragged tanks with their weapons a Space Marine isnt all that surprising.


Page 337
Jean-Robur and Rhomec had scavenged junked equipment and machine parts from the same storage bays that Scout Zatori and his team had drawn the equipment which had gone into making the barricades before the main hatch.
...
If they hadn’t been worried about the stability of the chambers and tunnels above they would have simply turned the entirety of each tunnel mouth to molten rock with a melta gun...
....
But Veteran-Sergeant Hilts had determined that demolition charges or melting large quantities of the mountain’s underpinnings might serve to jeopardise the safety of those who sheltered in the chambers overhead, and had instead ordered Jean-Robur and Rhomec to cram the mouths of the passages with machinery and debris, creating impassable barricades.
..
Jean-Robur would have preferred to melt the barricades of debris into solid masses with a few blasts from a melta gun...
Talk of using a melta gun to melt shut tunnel entrances big enough to admit passges of Space marines. Again hard to really reliably calc, but even a 10 cm thick, 3 m x 1 m wide "tunnel" would require many hundreds of kilos of rock melted in a short period of time (a "few blasts")


PAge 351
...the blindingly bright plasma bolt lanced right into the Noise Marine’s forehead, blowing the fevered remains of his warp-addled brain out the other side of his skull.
Plasma bolt blows apart noise Marine's head, at least part of it.



page 353
A bolt of searing white lanced out of the plasma gun at the Noise Marine, glancing off his breastplate. Then another cut through the Roaring Blade in the vanguard, the bolt continuing on and searing through the Roaring Blade behind him. As the two burned Traitor Guards fell, Zatori let off another plasma bolt at the Roaring Blade directly in front of the Noise Marine, calculating that it would do the same; the bolt seared clean through the neck of the Roaring Blade and still had enough potency to burn through the greaves on the Noise Marine’s left leg.
This time the plasma bolts merely inflict severe burning on the Roaring blades (searing) - if we take that to mean third degree burns a single bolt might be putting out 1-2 MJ or thereabouts (third degree flash burning assumed over most/all of the body) Another burns through (non explosively) the neck of a nother guardsmen and injurs a Noise Marine. Seems ot suggest the plasma weapon might have variable outputs and/or settings (thermal or explosive.)


PAge 363-364
The heretic’s sabre dug into the bare flesh of Zatori’s sword arm at the biceps, in that narrow band of vulnerability between the bottom edge of his shoulder-guard and the protection of the vambrace that covered from elbow to wrist.
Blood sprayed from the fresh wound on Zatori’s right arm before the Larraman cells could seal the gash, and Zatori could feel that the muscles themselves were cut. His grip on the combat blade lessened...

...
In another few moments, perhaps, the flesh and muscles of his right arm would heal sufficiently for him to be able to wield the sword in his right hand...
More indicaton of Scout/Space Marine healing - it would seem that even cuts can re-knit given time, so long as nothing is amputated or outright destroyed (EG no regrowing heads, hands, eyes or fingers if it is cut or burned off or gouged out.)


Page 377
An instant later, a blast of incredible heat lanced from the muzzle of the melta gun and down the passageway. The weapon itself produced almost no sound as it fired, but Hilts could hear a distinctive hiss as the air through which the blast travelled super-heated to dangerous levels. And when the quartet of Roaring Blades who were rushing towards the defenders with shotguns and lascarbines firing caught the brunt of the blast, Hilts could hear the roar of their bodies’ moisture vaporising instantly. In a matter of eyeblinks the four heretics had been incinerated to little more than blackened bone. And even though the blast did not hit them directly, the crowd of Roaring Blades who had been following close behind the quartet fell to either side with fatal burns, howling in redirected euphoria as they went.
Meltagun "incinerates" the flesh of four Roaring blades in eyeblinks (seconds - although I envison people will argue whether it means the time between eyeblinks - which could be a few seconds or 10+ seconds, or the duration it takes the eye to blink, which is fractions of a second) The fact that moisture vaporises and the flesh burns (at least) is strongly suggestive of tens or hundreds of megajoules being expended, nevermind the near-cremation (although someone might argue that the flesh combusted) And even if we disregard all that, note that the meltablast leaves severe third degree burns on the surroudning blades, which is multiple wide spread third degree burns (still going into many megawatts expended to do that alone. And the 4 blades that already were burned would have suffered at least similar)


Page 379
The all-too-alive enemy rose, springing up to a kneeling crouch and firing the lasgun in his hands on full-auto towards the left-hand wall.

“Sergeant!” Fulgencio shouted as he saw the las-fire rain on the wall ahead of him, but in the split-second it took Hilts to swivel and clip the Roaring Blade with rounds from his bolter, it was already too late.

Scout Rhomec had been hit from the side by a welter of las-fire, and if the first shot hadn’t killed him, then the sixth one had, or the twelfth. Though lasguns were not nearly as accurate on full-auto, at such short range the Roaring Blade had been virtually unable to miss his target.
Full auto barrage from a Roaring blade lasgun in a very short time (a fraction of a second probably, but no more than a second or two tops given that it was only enough time to shout one word before turning and firing.) and at least 12 lasgun shots fired. Implied ROF from that would be at leasy 6 shots a second, but more probably at least 12/second if not faster (dozens of shots a second, probably)
Also certainy that six-12 lasguns shots would definitely kill a Scout Marine, armour or no.


Page 384
...Hilts could see the flash of the melta gun firing again and again at the confusion of metal and machinery crammed into the tunnel’s mouth. The makeshift barricade was gradually melted into a solid, irregular lump that filled the mouth of the tunnel from side to side, rendering it all but impassable. But while the work was proceeding apace, it was taking precious time.
Meltagun melting the debris crammed into the wall together into a lump. We dont know if its all metal, or even the mass. We could estimate it but its probably tens or hundreds of kg either way.. and really I shoudlnt have to calc it at this point . Besides what's really interesting the sheer mileage they are getting out of the meltagun here. Even if the guy is changing fuel cells, he can't be carrying that many and since he's the meltagunner he hasn't exactly had time to retreat frm th battlefield to restock (noone has - they're shorthanded as it was.)


Page 385
They had already sealed up the first of the compromised barricades, with Hilts holding the enemy at bay further up the passageway while Fulgencio repositioned the salvaged machinery in place as best he could and then melted it all into a single plug of slag.
Yet more melting.


Page 412
“At my request, they have been reinforced and enhanced by the Chapter artisans here onboard the Phalanx, rendered suitable as Astartes weapons."
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The three main character's old swords from before they were recruited as Space Marines were upgraded into Space Marine close combat weapons. What's interesting is that they can apparently take normal weapons from a primitive world and upgrade them without substantially remaking them.
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Ah, yes, Sons of Dorn.

Probably not the first time a Chapter's picked up three recruits whose driving force is to kill each other off, but you imagine that's something the Chaplains would spot and put an end to.

Oh well, there were a handful of things I really remember, from what was generally a tolerable but forgettable story of young men ripped from a medieval tech level to become space marines. I did like the focus on swordsmanship, giving every Marine a blade, while not forgetting the siege specialty of the chapter. The pain glove freaked me out just a bit when I thought about it, the Chaplain says the Fists use it as a form of meditation all the time, and the victim is forced to look at a statue of Dorn. The aspirants are told to focus on his features to distract themselves form the pain, so they can associate the Primarch as the one who delivers them from agony (as opposed to just associating him with the pain?)

A world with oceans of oil puzzled me a hair, where did it come from? Besides that, doesn't the Imperium use promethium in place of petro-chemicals?

I also like the ad hoc, chapter approved use of a Melta to rearrange the landscape, seal off tunnels, etc.
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Oh yes, the whole 'Space Marine Pseudo-samurai' thing. I'd forgotten about that. Thought it was a bit silly.. the book would have been better had it taken a slightly more absurd tone (maybe not as over the top as Space MArine, but close.) It could have been spun as a homage to 'classic' 40K novels and that would have been cool.
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We return to the Imperial Fists with a brand spanking new Ben Counter novel, featuring Lysander of the Fists. And despite what you may think from Phalanx... its an amazingly good novel. Its far more 'Gray Knight' than it is 'Soul Drinker' and it confirms that Counter can write well, and the Soul Drinkers are for whatever reason just a fluke.

Lysander and his men are assisting in defending a world from rebellion and Chaos incursion when their paths uncover a much deeper mystery. One involving the Assassins. Amidst the backdrop of a larger war, one that is largely a smokescreen for darker agendas, Lysander must find out the truth and seek to stop it, whatever the cost. In alot of ways the situation Lysander finds himself in echoes Alaric of the first GK novel.. he has to go beyond 'typical' Space Marine-eness and solve the problem in order to win, and victory requires far more than force of arms. The book also has the feel of the first GK novel, Bleeding Chalice and Hellforged (the 'good' Soul drinkers novels). There are lots of characters involved, in different sides and ways, and they all contribute (or hinder) the overall progress in some fashion.

Its not a huge 'analysis' compared to some (EG Ghosts) so it will only be two updates, starting with part one. Enjoy!

Page 14
One of the soldiers behind Kekrops hurried to the inquisitor’s side. In his hands was a device with a screen that was flashing with red icons.
"Intruders," said the soldier, who wore khaki fatigues with dozens of holsters, each one carrying a well-used pistol. "There are weapon signatures all over the auspex."
Auspex that detects weapons signatures, although what kind of signatures and how it distinguishes from other things we dont know.




Page 14
"They are no soldiers of this world,"
..
“Because only off-worlders would possess the camouflage fields needed to get that shot on Beskrin.”
A moment later, a las-bolt spat from the darkness of the dome overhead, fizzing through the skull of one of the Imperial Guard, temple to temple.
Lasbolt punches clean through human head. No idea of the size of the hole (except that the head is intact) but it would probably have to be at least a centimetre or two in diameter. Figure at least a few kj per shot to punch the hole through pulse-laser fashion.



Page 14-15
His words were cut off as the fire fell among the Aristeia. The silenced shots sounded more like snapping wood or sharp footsteps, but they blew wet, ragged holes through silk-wrapped bodies all the same. Eshrahem Wrathful Mountain’s arm was blown off entirely and he keeled over to the side. A head burst in a shower of shredded silk and blood.
We dont know for sure what the fire is from (it could be an Exitus rifle as we learn, or lasfire) but if its lasfire its probably at least single digit kj perhaps double digit, but its not incompatible with lasgun effects in other sources - single digit easily at least to blow off arm (severing bone too) or blowing apart head.




Page 16
The woman with the book ran out into the open behind Kekrops. She opened the book to one of the many markers held between its pages, and yelled a sentence in a language that bore no resemblance to any tongue of Opis. A hemisphere of blue-white light appeared around her, and the las-bolts aimed at her burst against it like fireworks. Veterans dived from the doorway into the area bounded by the light, for they had been well drilled to recognise the psychic shield and make the most of it while it lasted.
Psyker shield deflecting lasfire over large area.





Page 17
Kekrops ran into the building, followed by the be-medalled Guardsman. The Guardsman slid to the ground, skidding in the blood that had fallen from the penitents’ wounds – a smoking hole between his shoulder blades suggested a las-shot had burned right through his spine.
Las shot goes righ through back and spine. Tenatively I'd guess burning 'through' it (or even just blasting through) would require punching through a good several inch diameter worth of bone (~4-6 cm or so maybe). Assuming a single pulse (or a handful of pulses) to blast through a hunk bone like the spine would require quite a bit of energy - tens of kilojoules easily. If the 'shot' were composed of multiple pulses that 'spread' out or even fanned out in a line and cut across the bone, it could cut through with significantly less energy (say 4-5 shots at a couple kj apiece). It could go either way too: Ben Counter *is* known for making lasweapons that have a raking/slicing effect, so it would not be impossible. Burning through thermally would probably be evne more insane energy wise (and less efficient.)



Page 19
”He does not know who he is. It has been… torn away from him. I can feel scars in his mind, like the stump of an amputated limb. And someone has taught him how to be a soldier. But there is nothing else. Even insanity would be something, Lord Inquisitor, but instead there is… there is but a void.”
Kekrops grabbed Lysshe’s arm, pulling his hand away from the wounded trooper. “That’s not possible.”
....
“They have nothing like this,” said another of Kekrops’s Guardsmen. “This world’s top military is Guard-spec at most.”
Comments on mindwiping and its rarity on local planets (at least of this world’s quality) It would seem to suggest its unusual for local forces and perhaps the Guard, which may reflect its rarity.




Page 20-21
Lysshe was the first to fall. He could not keep up, and a las-round sliced through his thigh. His severed leg skidded along the pavement and he flopped to the ground.
...
Lysshe lived for a while, able only to writhe and let out a low moaning. By the time a gaggle of household servants emerged from hiding to search for the wounded, however, he had died from blood loss and shock.
Lasbolt blasts off leg at the thigh (severing bone) and does not cauterize. Again probably single/double digit kj. certaninly at LEAST a few kj to sever through the bones, and probably several times that to punch through to the limb (shockwaves might engender tearing of limb once the bone is broken. an 'explosive' lasbolt would probably need to make a pretty wide hole to blow through the entire leg (thighs tend to be pretty thick, after all) although it takes less energy to make big holes in some kinds of flehs than others (Esp compared to bone!) and you could figure double digit kj (esp if it needs several pulses to severr said bone - the other pulses would be at LEAST as energetic unless the lasweapon is capable of adjusting output according to target nature.)
On the other hand, as noted before, it is possible the las 'bolt' was actually a shot composed of multiple smaller pulses, and if they rake/fan across the leg they could probably sever it with a series of much smaller holes, which would take considerably less energy.





Page 27
The first sight of that threat dropped into the Cemetery district of Khezal on columns of burning exhaust, in the form of cargo landers fitted with armour and disembarkation ramps. They crashed into the tangled, ancient streets of the district, one of the historical hearts of the city where the criminal guilds and secret societies ruled the alleyways, and disgorged the heavy infantry of the Mhosis Karn Avengers. The Imperial Guardsmen wore body armour of such weight that only men from a high-gravity world like theirs could wear it and fight at the same time, perfect for the cramped streets.
...
The Aristeia were on high alert, ready for both civil unrest and open warfare, but the Imperial Guard specialised in the close-quarters butchery with bayonets and lascarbines that ensued.
Drop ship deployment of troops . Admittedly its an ad-hoc dropship made from a non military vessel, but you take what you can get, and they deploy directly into the city - our warzone in this caes.

Heavy grav worlder infantry with heavier than usual body armor (presumably meaning they’re intended to have greater strength than usual and thus can bear the weight.) Whether it is flak of some kind or carapace we don’t know, but presumably it provides extra protection due to the weight (and in line with the ‘heavy infantry’ designation.)

Guard also noted to be used to close quarters fighting - whether this means the Guard in general or just these forces in particular we don’t know.




Page 27-28
The men of the Gathalamor 912th Light Infantry jumped from fast Valkyrie gunships, and rushed between the forges and dry docks to capture the anti-aircraft guns that had barely been able to respond to the suddenness of the assault.
Light infantry deployed via gunship as a rapid, preemptive strike to take out air defences (and permit landings.) Whether it is innate to their forces or assigned by the Navy, we don’t know.





Page 28
The Subiaco 27th, fabled killers drawn from prison worlds and made useful with mental surgery and combat drugs, landed in the waters off the picturesque Pearl Dragon Coast. Many were killed by the impact of their low-firing grav-chutes against the water, or were knocked out and drowned.
Surgically altered (at least in mind), combat drugged penal legionnaires. At least if you’re going to make guys expendable, you maximize the utility.





Page 28
The picture was repeated on a dozen battlefields scattered across the city. Most took down defences, like radar towers or anti-aircraft installations, and in doing so unlocked the door that would let the main Imperial force land for the major assault on Khezal.
..
he armed forces of Khezal were huge, numbering hundreds of thousands the Aristeia could put under arms along with their own standing household forces..
Scope of the conflict in this



Page 39
Lord Commander Tchepikov believed in leading from as close to the front as was sensible for a man of his rank. The first assaults on Khezal had been accompanied by the dropping from orbit of the Merciless, an ocean-going command vessel from which Tchepikov could command the battle’s opening stages beyond the range of Khezal’s defences. The Merciless was one of the most advanced vessels of its kind in the segmentum, being festooned with sensor-baffling and defensive systems, and a comms and tactical cogitator suite that allowed Tchepikov’s staff to coordinate the whole assault. At that moment it knifed through the ocean’s swell, surrounded by a buzzing halo of scout aircraft scouring the surface for threats.
Inside, the controlled atmosphere was kept calm and chill. Everywhere was dark, pools of light around cogitator screens and map tables serving to focus attention where it was needed.
Interestng passage for several reasons. One, another ‘lead from the front’ type, but not literally from the front (as close as he can get though.) And doing his leadership from some specially designed command vehicle. In this case, a giant ass carrier. Which they apparently deployed from orbit

The command and control functions are interesting, as is the stealth functions, but the really interesting bit is that the Guard apparently has its own wet-navy contingents (and aircraft to go with it it would seem.)





Page 40
...and it was on this that Lord Commander Tchepikov of the Imperial Guard stood to get a look at the first high-value captive of the war for Opis.
Three officers of the Battlefleet Obscurus Naval Intelligence Regiment accompanied Tchepikov, in their almost featureless dark-blue uniforms. Tchepikov had once been one of them in a long-distant career, and still entrusted to them the intelligence functions of his command.
..
The aged fatigues of his old Naval regiment hung on him, as did the black greatcoat he wore over them. Countless medals were attached to his chest, or to the lapels of his coat, a jumble of colours and shapes from many ships and campaigns. Later medals were honorary, awarded for service and victories as a commander over whole Imperial armies. Over his long, lined face was the peaked cap of a Naval officer.
him being Tchepikov. It is rather interesting that a Navy officer is in command of IG troops, but in many respects Generals/Lord Commanders and other officers higher than a Regimental Colonel do not come from any one source, so its no more implausible for them to come from the Navy side of things as the Guard (or from the Munitorum’s own ranks.. if such distinctions exist.) It might even offer some advantages in terms of tactical/strategic thinking as the Navy cannot afford to be as ‘trench-bound’ so to speak, as the Guard officers - speed and mobility can be quite important in space warfare, as can the orbital advantage (for deploying troops, as well as bombardment.)





Page 41
he thing in the cell looked up at Tchepikov as if it could hear him, though the cell was soundproofed. It was half-man, half-fly, with several extra limbs, a fat pendulous abdomen and segmented eyes. A hastily sutured wound split its face in two, with another running from its sternum down the whole underside of its body. A cursory medical examination had shown it had suffered injuries too severe to survive, but it was kept alive by something more malevolent than the integrity of its body. It was chained to the floor with links of gold and silver, inscribed with anti-psychic wards that dampened whatever mental powers Janeak Filthammer might still possess. Even so, the polished steel of its cell was discoloured and rusted around it, the thing’s aura of decay bleeding through the psychic defences built into the brig of the Merciless.
Durability of Chaos Champion (although of Nurgle its hardly surprising its tough). Also the anti-psyker measures onboard the ship, and the fact said Champion can still overcome them to some degree.



Page 43
”Your kind will be rounded up, shot and incinerated. The ashes will be mixed with psyk-nulling acid and fired into the nearest star”
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Ya gotta hand it to them, the Imperium knows how to deal with psychic threats. LOL at the ‘psyk nulling acid.’ wonder if thats made from the Emperor’s tears too (we’ll find out about this later.)



Page 44-45
Deiphobus’s mind was a carefully prepared place, a battlefield built to give the advantage to his own consciousness when arrayed against an enemy. That enemy was the mind of Janeak Filthammer, and in the psychic concept that Deiphobus had prepared, Filthammer appeared as a great seething horde, a crawling darkness. Isolated memories stood like banner bearers or generals, with cavalry darting and writhing on the flanks and masses of barely-formed infantry flowing into the enormous banks of dark filth that heaved in the centre.
Deiphobus had spent endless sessions of meditation preparing his own mental army, visualising every component. Rogal Dorn himself stood at their head. A legion of shining, gilded Imperial Fists marched alongside him. Deiphobus had memorised the faces of the Chapter’s long-dead, resurrecting them in his mind to give his mental defences and psychic probing a concrete form.
..
In another part of Deiphobus’s mind, carefully separated from the conflict by a great battlement modelled after the defences of Terra which Dorn himself had designed, Filthammer’s memory fragments played out as if projected onto a bank of pict-screens.
A passage I find interesting as it reflects just how important symbolism and perception are when it comes to the warp. Just as Navigators see the warp according to how their own minds interpret it, the psychic battleground is shaped according to the mind of the psyker. This seems to be considered something of an advantage personally, possibly relating to confidence or ease of memory/imposing will on the warp through the familiar. Having Dorn as your leader, someone you revere, probably confers considerable psychological advantage, just as fighting from the psychic representation of a Dorn-designed fortress would convey confidence in your protection. I imagine this could be extended to understanding and acessing parts of the mind given what we see later.






Page 46
Deiphobus strove to find out just why he had come, out of all the millions of planets in the Imperium, to this one.
Millions of worlds in the Imperium.




Page 47
Deiphobus sorted through the mental constructs he had created for just this task. He rejected a sword and a boltgun, crafted from gold, that he imaged hovering in the air in front of him. From his mind’s armoury he selected an axe and, like a lumberjack, set about hacking his way through Filthammer’s defences.
More mental constructs and fighting in the warp through symbolism. And again the perception seems to help with the actual dealing with said psychic stuff. Although I’m sure brute force is not always the best approach - some of the best psykers are not very strong, but are very subtle and skilled.



Page 47
Piece by piece, a figure was revealed. Naked and filthy, crouched in a grime-streaked oubliette. It was a man, with sandy-coloured hair, a body worked to wiry strength by manual labour and the scarred hands that told of a lifetime in the manufactorum or at the mine face. The figure was scared and alone, starved, and confused.
It was Filthammer. Or rather, it was the man he had once been, buried and cut off and surrounded by a prison of hatred and determination, where he could not bother Filthammer with the conscience and abhorrence of a normal human mind.
An interesting piece because it reflects the fact that the warp only brings out the worst in us and amplifies it, not flipping some switch from 'good' to 'evil'. Thats what I really like about this scene, and it again brings home how Counter is really good at writing stuff involving Chaos - the entire scene shows that this guy had (from his own perspective) reasons for falling to Chaos and doing what he did, although many of them were basically justifications for his own selfishness.



Page 56
..Enriaan and Privar were among them, the monomolecular edges of their combat knives slicing through flesh and body armour.
Scout knives are monoedged





Page 58
Geryius pulled the helmet off the dead man’s head. The cropped hair and cranial scars underneath did not seem to suggest the grandly uniformed men of the Aristeia. Geryius picked photoactive lenses from the corpse’s eyes. Quite possibly, the soldier had not removed his visor for a very long time.
“No rank or regiment symbols,” said Orfos. “And these are the scars from cortical grafting. Opis does not have such technology freely available, certainly not for anyone not of noble blood. I do not think this man is a native of Opis.”
...
“The Inquisition sent their own troops. An inquisitor’s personal regiment. They had been mind-wiped so often they weren’t men any more. They didn’t have names or memories. They were programmed as soldiers and nothing more. This man reminds me of them.”
More ‘mind wiped’ troop stuff like before, although expanded upon. Once more it is noted such forces created via mindwipe are unusual on this planet, but it implies other planets and forces NOT of the Inquisition (AdMech probably at least) would have access to it. Whether this could extend to the Guard or Navy is another question, but interesting to speculate on.
Also not sure what photoactive lenses are. Are they like the contact versin of photo-visors, or does it means ome sort of lens that the visor is meant to block or filter out sunlight or similar?





Page 62-63
nd so, with a few well-led strikes against the coastal guns and sensorium arrays, the seaward defences of Khezal were all but paralysed. Imperial Guard storm troopers blew up missile silos and radar stations. A gunship assault from the Imperial Fists toppled a sensorium tower whose vast dish took in readings from across the seaboard, blinding the gun batteries that flanked the entrance to the harbour.
In the confusion of the multiple assaults on the city, few of the Aristeia paid much attention to the explosions coming from offshore. They were, in fact, the result of operations by sapper platoons of the Hektaon Lowlanders, planting demolition charges among the rocks of the jagged spurs forming the walls of the city’s natural harbour.
..
K-Hour arrived. Transport craft loomed down from orbit a few kilometres out to sea, flying low enough to drop the ocean-going Imperial Guard craft they carried. Three large ships, the size of the Merciless, bristling with guns to serve as floating gun batteries. The sections to assemble two enormous floating docks for repair and resupply. Fuel tankers. A hospital ship. And hundreds of troop transports.
The men of the 91st, 120th and 309th Deucalian Lancers. The Lord Sorteliger’s Own Regiment of Foot. The Gathalamor 912th Light Infantry and the Kirgallan Heavy Grenadiers. The remnants of the Hektaon Lowlanders, the 122nd Storm Troopers Division and the Luthermak Deathworlders, joining their fellow troops already fighting in the city. Almost fifty thousand men, and seventy-five tanks of the 4th Plaudis Shock Army. An army of the Imperial Guard the equal of any force the Aristeia of Opis could muster.

IG assault in the offing. Certainly not trench warfare at this point. Indeed the seaborne assault is rather new and different, since only a few novels (Fire Warrior, Flesh and Iron) have ever mentioned or utilised seaborne or amphibious craft, but apparently the Guard have them. The 'large craft' are essentially battleships as mentioned later, and provide shore bombardment capabilities for the seaborne assault. Which is probably amusing when you consider those things *probably* way thousands/tens of thousands of tons easily.
Oh and hundreds of ocean going troop transports.
Force dispostiion is 50K men and 75 tanks (not even quite a company.) which is about 667 men per tank.





Page 66-67
The Shadowhawk had started out its life as a Thunderhawk gunship, used to transport the Space Marines of the Imperial Fists and provide them with air support once they were on the ground. But the Chapter armoury had transformed it into something very different – the Shadowhawk, based on some of the oldest Standard Template Construct fragments ever recovered by the tech-priests of Mars, was a dedicated weapons platform, its passenger compartment sacrificed to house the craft’s missile batteries and ammunition stores. The readout confirmed a full missile load, targeting array and autocannon on-line, countermeasures loaded and ready to deploy.
Yet ANOTHER Thunderhawk variant, called the Shadowhawk. Special ancient tech, lots of countermeasures and automation and other stuff.





Page 67
Alongside them walked a couple of hundred men of the Imperial Guard, their grey camo body armour marking them out as Kirgallan Heavy Grenadiers. At this height Gorgythion could make out the heavy weapons teams hauling wheeled heavy bolters and lascannon, as the grenadier units swept the empty windows and doorways around them with their lasguns.
Grenadiers. This invasion seems to have quite a few heavy infantry variants doesn’t it?





Page 70
The Sanctifier’s instruments could see in the thermal spectrum, which in other circumstances could pick out the body heat of enemies lying in wait – but the smouldering fires blinded it, creating just blooms of incoherent light.
Thermal sensors on the Shadowhawk.




Page 71
But her arms and legs ended in sprays of feathers and her eyes were not eyes at all, but black hollows that bored through her face and gave a glimpse of a void contained within her.
...
With a gesture, she cast a long line of pink fire across the square, rushing out from a point beneath her feet.
The flames rushed through the lead tank. The tank was engulfed by them, disappearing in the luminescence that flowed over it like liquid. The Kirgallans caught in it disappeared, burst into showers of burning ash.
Power of some Chaos Champion... cremating troops and seemingly melting/disintegrating tanks.




Page 72
Las-fire streaked up at the abomination. A missile spiralled towards her and detonated a short distance away, as if it had struck an invisible sphere surrounding her body.
Said Chaos Champion can deflect sustained lasfire (dozens of gusardsmen) and at least some heavy weapons.




Page 72-73
The six missile pods, whose bulk replaced the passenger compartment in the Thunderhawk chassis, rumbled angrily as a salvo was chambered and the rockets primed. The cogitators shuddered, throwing incandescent launch paths across the viewscreen in front of Gorgythion.
..
The cogitator seemed to roar in delight, the sound mingling with the shriek of the missile exhausts igniting. A salvo of six missiles, each tipped with a Harbinger warhead, lanced towards the abomination. Each one split into a dozen bomblets, and every bomblet burst in a shower of silver flame and shrapnel.
Gorgythion yanked the controls to one side and the Sanctifier shuddered in the shockwave from the exploding missiles.
Shadowhawk’s super special missile payload, with submunitions.,
The salvo manages to injure the Chaos Champion, but that’s all.




Page 81-82
"What prize is Opis to such a gallery of traitors and witches? This is a populous world, it is certain, and the Imperium would suffer much from its loss. But the same could be said of any one of a million worlds"
Interesting that there are 'millions' of worlds stated before, but there are only a million major worlds or so. Which could again explain the million/millions discrepancy in the fluff.





Page 82-83
" On which note, gentlemen, the defence of Khezal has forced us to alter our plan for Opis. The moral threats of the city are utilising its population in numbers we did not expect. This is unfortunate but not without precedent and has been planned for. We will not behead the resistance on Opis by storming and capturing Khezal rapidly. A secondary plan to surround, invade and reduce other key cities of Opis will be instituted immediately. Naval and Guard reinforcements have been demanded and the reserves currently in orbit, which were to be used in refounding and subjugation duties, will be committed on the ground. This has gone from a battle to a war, but we were prepared for war and it will be won."
Librarian Deiphobus listened to the intricacies of the plan that Tchepikov had drafted. It was thorough and detailed, completely within the dictates of the Tactica Imperium with which all officers of the Imperial military were trained. Opis’s key cities – Makoshaam, Diretz, Rekaba – would be encircled and besieged if necessary; cutting off movement of fuel, supplies and manpower from one another until they collapsed and all the moral threats and Aristeia members inside were hunted down and executed. It would be a long, cruel process, and the people of Opis would suffer much even if they avoided the forced recruitment into the Aristeia forces which was happening across Khezal. But Tchepikov was right – the Imperium would win.
If Kekrops had not underestimated the number of witches and arch-heretics on Opis. If the enemy was only able to use Opis’s citizens as suicide troops and militia. If killing off the Aristeia would actually make any difference to the true leadership on Opis.
An interesting commentary on Imperial tactics. Its worth noting, like the Rophanon Conflict in Tactica Imperialis, and the intiial speculation on Siege of Vraks - trench warfare is NOT the first, or only option the Imperium ever does, or even bothers turning to. They started with a smaller, more flexible force (orbital deployment) to strike, hoping for rapid conclusion by eliminating the leadership. Its only when the fast option proved unteneble that they moved to more 'attritional' style, but even there they aren't acutally seeking to grind them down: rather they're trying to isolate and weaken them into defeat via siege. And as noted this is 'standard' for Imperial tactics, which again fits with what we know of other sources.

That said the unpredictability of Chaos and the limits of the officer's ability to anticipate or plan ahead are also shown in the way the Imperila Fists Librarian assesses the plan.




Page 84
Bunkers had been dropped from orbit to half-bury themselves in the parched ground. Between them, tanks and aircraft were parked between the structures and sentry guns tracked across the plains. The Imperial Fists force consisted of around a half-company strength..
Fists base onplanet. Note the air/orbit dropped bunkers.




Page 86
"You are a psyker," said Lysander.
"On my good days. I am a telekine."
The psyker who generated the shield at the start of a novel was a telekine, meaning that TK's can affect (to some level) even light.




Page 92
"All it needs is a few heretics to stir up revolt and Tchepikov will have the whole camp bombed into ash."
"These are the people for whom we fight." said Orfos. "We must never forget that."
Once again we're presented with a Space Marine novel where differing attitudes of Astartes towards their duties and charges are presented (like in Emperor's Gift, Rynn's World, Helsreach, etc.). Naturally I prefer the 'defender' role, but it does show variety in thinking for otherwise 'same' troops, and its hard to blame the skeptic because of the way the conflict has been handled (even the regular Guardsmen are skeptical about the natives.) That dynamic between different ideas and beliefs about what a Space MArine is and how they fight is pretty fundamental to many of Ben Counter's novels (he tried for that in Soul Drinker, and it was pretty big in his GK novels.) Its also one of the big ways in which Counter demonstrates he's written a novel much closer to his GK stuff than to the Soul Drinkers, which is a good thing IMHO - following the pattern of the 'good' Soul Drinkers novels and the GK novels (esp the first) is definitely a positive.




Page 94
"I still serve the Imperium, Space Marine. I am not a good man, but I am dying. My lungs are scarred with acid from the shells of your artillery."
Apparently the Guard invasion force is using chemical weaponry.





Page 95-96
Bullets shredded the curtain of rags, and the air was filled with superheated lead. Lhossen was thrown against the back wall of the hab-block, body torn open, bored through with explosive fire.
Impacts shuddered Orfos’s greaves and breastplate. A Scout’s armour did not have the resilience of a full suit of power armour, but it held.
..
They looked like any other refugees, save for the rags they wore around their faces and the autoguns and stub pistols they held. Six of them had made it into the hab-block..
Six men armed with stubbers and autoguns pretty much shred a guy with short duration gunfire. Its even implied the rounds may be explosive (whether stubber, autogun or both we dont know.)





Page 104-105
"Heathen forces, eleven o’clock below us, five kilometres," said Kebriones, scanning rapidly through the various tactical readouts in front of him. "Approaching fast. Mach point four."
...
Five bogies he counted in an instant, and then they were out of view, hurtling past below the Sanctifier.
...
They were small. Fast. Probably much more aerobatic, at least at high speeds, than the gunship. In the brief glimpse he had they looked like single-seater fighters, probably dedicated interceptors with a loadout of cannon and air-to-air missiles.
..
Eager to get their name on the kill, they launched their missiles almost as one, as soon as the gunship was in their sights. Lock-ons barely registered before the missile launch warnings blared all over the cockpit.
enemy aircraft with air to air missiles against Space marine shadowhawk. Mach point 4 closing speed at least, weapons range implied to be under 5 km (although how much we dont know, except it might be close.) They are guided though.




Page 106
Gorgythion ordered the launch, and the belly of the Sanctifier blazed with fire. Five missiles burst out of their housings and arrowed upwards, the archeotech of the gunship’s cogitator calculating millions of angles and velocities per second. The interlocking contrails of each missile created a burning spiral in the sky...
Shadowhawk has AA weaponry as well, guided by special snowflake ancient computers and its capabilities. Lost tech, as we discover. :P




Page 107
A shower of burning metallic countermeasures sprayed out from the fighter’s weapons bay, the viewscreen shuddering with static as they deflected the mundane sensors of the Sanctifier. But the gunship’s archeotech included sensors that could see through anything the enemy might throw. The coughing of the engines, as Gorgythion forced them to maximum, sounded like a deep, mocking laughter.
Fighter countermeasures.





Page 110
The only thought he had as he fell was that this was the only Shadowhawk in service, and if it was not recovered from the jungle floor, there would never be any more.
AS I said before, lost-tech, at least for the Fists.




Page 113-114
On the altar squatted the enemy and Lysander saw that it might only generously be described as human.
Its torso was grossly elongated, resembling the body of a thick, muscular snake. Its skin was like that of a fish, scaled and silver.
..
Beros leapt into the room, vaulting over the altar and letting his flamer spit a tremendous gout of flame down one corridor. The skeletons in their niches were blasted to ash and Lysander could just see the creatures writhing there, stripped to their mutated skeletons by the intensity of the heat.
Fists flamer seems to cremate multiple skeletons and multiple chaos mutant snakemen thingies (or at least burning flehs from bones.) figure maybe 5-10 kilos for skeleton for 70 kg male. Figure each creature is also around that mass - 130-160 kg at least or so. Hundreds of mj if not thousands for the entire blast, and thats kinda lower limit.



Page 121
The hammer crunched into Skarkrave’s skull and the power field blew its head apart.
Lsyander's special hammer pulverizes Chaos creature's skull. Its described as having a swollen skull but we dont know how much bigger.



Page 122-123
Knots of surviving Subiacans stood, heads bowed, as they heard the prayers of the preachers who had accompanied them to battle. The prayers included the code-phrases that controlled the combat drug injectors implanted in each trooper’s throat, and now the Temple of the Muses was won the injectors were flooding them with sedatives to rein in their instincts to kill.
..
Even with their drug injectors keeping them calm, there was no doubting the fear, and a little anger, in their eyes...
Combat drugs to control penal legionaires. Seems its able to keep them calm or enrage them as needed.



PAge 126
Another battle. One of a hundred opening up on Opis.

A hundred battles occuring simultaneously on the planet.
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Back with Seventh Retribution. Second part and the better part really.

Page 129
"You think the Imperium is any different? Once we stop fighting they’ll seal off the cities and virus bomb us. "
Implied tactical virus bombing.





Page 132
Gorgythion pulled the combat knife from the corpse of the soldier.
"You don’t know," he said to the body as the blade came free. "You’re as blind as the rest of us. You are traitors and you must be fought. We will not relent. But we will also discover what turned you into this, before more are turned from the light."
Another thing I like about this novel is that Counter is not afraid to include that warrior-philosopher/thinker concept that both Ian Watson (Space Marine) and Chris Roberson (Sons of Dorn) included. Maybe they're not Alaric or Uriel Ventris-es, but they're clearly more than mindless badass killmachines FOR THE EMPEROR, and once again are cognizant of their duties and obligations as well as their status.





Page 138
Orfos blew a fist-sized hole in the mutant at point-blank range with his bolt pistol. The exit wound, rather larger, was a fountain of greyish flesh erupting from the mutant’s back.
I'm quoting this not for the effect (which is pretty predictable) but because it behaves alot like traditional bullets (at least the ones that fragment, like 5.56mm NATO) rather than an explosive round. Unless it overpenetrated massively and only detonated towards the back of the body, that is. Either way it makes a huge hole going in (kinetic impact at least) and a much bigger hole going out (head sized?, which might be kinetic or explosive.. or both.)




Page 141
Cluster munitions. A hundred bomblets detonated at once. The valley exploded in flame.
Naval bombers using cluster munitions.



Page 147
And though he did not have his bolt pistol with him, the combat knife that Orfos drew was more than enough to slice the Lord Speaker of the Aristeia clean in two.
considering they're as large as short swords in this novel, thats hardly suprrising.




Page 148-149
Orfos jumped back, rolling over the rock behind which he had taken cover a few moments before. The first plasma shot boiled away half the rock and Orfos was forced back by the wave of superheated air.
..
He raised his hand to steady himself against the half-melted rock, but no hand came up.
Plasma pistol. The rock must be at least a few metres in some dimension, meaning about a metre square at leats was blasted/boiled away - hundreds of grams if not several kilograms of TNT if blasted, considerably more if literally boiled (several GJ easily)



Page 149
Orfos’s right arm had been blown off at the elbow. Splinters of bone stuck out of the gory mess of the stump.
The shot had gone through Geryius first. It had punched through the Scout’s midriff, blowing a wide red hole in his stomach.
bullet (we learn from Vindicaire Exitus rifle) manages to blow through armored scout's torso and blow off the forearm of another.



Page 151
The 91st Deucalian Lancers, infantry heavily supported with tanks and mobile artillery, reached the temple doors as the enemy were massing. Captain Lysander, who had learned siegecraft from the writings of Rogal Dorn himself, had the Imperial Guardsmen bristling the roof and windows of the temple with lasguns and the artillery lifted to the upper floors with chains hauled by gangs of Subiacan penal troopers. Tanks rumbled through the ground floor, setting up as gun emplacements amid the rubble of the earlier battle.
IG regiment with artillery and tanks - whether its native to the force or seconded though we don't know. The artillery by hint may be towed or wheeled though rather than basilisks or griffons.





Page 152-153
The 1179th Ground Support Wing of the Imperial Navy dropped cluster bombs into the canals and raked what enemy they saw with autocannon fire...
..
The Imperial Navy craft shrieked over the canals and dropped enough incendiaries to turn the dry waterways into rivers of fire. Thousands of enemy militia and Subiacans died. By the time the fire died down, the remaining waves of enemy had little to do except rush through the ashes and get shot down by Deucalian lasgun fire.
implies that a Navy bomber wing (40-100 craft maybe? Guessing that many aeronautica by Rogue Trader) can incinerate thousands of people. Terajoules total at least, which means double or triple digit GJ per plane bombarding (at least.) Probably an underestimate :P




Page 155
..where Deucalian Guardsmen were hauling artillery pieces into place and handing out power packs for their lasguns.
Seems to be hand-mobile artillery, like the wheeled heavy weapons, or Rapier laser destroyers, or perhaps mole mortars. Towed artillery mayhap?




PAge 159
The city of Rekaba was devolving into a hundred battles, each one a grinding drain of manpower.
This was not a battle that could be won, because the enemy did not want to win. The battle was an end in itself. The enemy objective in both Khezal and Rekaba was simply to fight. They were not trying to expel the Imperial forces, just draw them in and keep them battling over every street and building. Lysander had seen enough sieges, and learned enough from the volumes of battle-lore Rogal Dorn and countless Imperial Fists heroes had penned, to see that.
Reflection again of how the Imperium and Chaos have dramatically different approaches and goals in warfare. For Chaos, war itself is merely an end (as Lysander notes, Chaos uses humans as its paws whether they realize it or not, regardless of their belief.) That can make them difficult to fight or defeat, short of actually wiping them out ot the last man. Which, as Lysander notes, is a 'drain' on manpower and resources. Especially when its the sort of Chaos forces made from corrupted or rebellious Imperial forces (another drain on top of the drain of having to put the insurrection and cultists down.)




Page 161
Another had oozed through his bars when first imprisoned, and was now sealed in a transparent cylinder with no opening through which his malleable form could escape. Perhaps the most striking had brightly patterned skin like that of a venomous lizard, which was appropriate given that his blood was highly poisonous, flammable and rather radioactive. He was welded into a voidsuit normally used for operations in a vacuum.
Siome of the more outlandish Chaos cultists and their mutations. I especially like the lizard with poisonous, radioactive, flammable blood. also void suits seem to be hostile/hazardous enviorment suits.





Page 165-166
Deiphobus folded his arms and looked down at the commander. At his full height he dwarfed Tchepikov. He was probably more massive than Tchepikov and the two officers put together.
Space Marine, out of armour presumably, weighs more than 2-3 other humans put together (several hundred kilos maybe)





Page 168
Tchepikov looked at the strategic map again. The deployment of well over half a million Imperial Guardsmen was allocated to the third front, with the same again in Khezal and Rekaba. Thousands of tanks and artillery pieces were scheduled to drop in from orbit in vast landings in the trackless terrain of the northern continent.
Scale of Imperial Guard forces on planet currently. Considerably more than the 50K men and 75 tanks/artillery, although the ratios are about right (~700 men per tank/gun) In fact if the ratios hold constant that would mean there are 2-3K tanks and arty pieces total.




Page 173
The servitor’s skull was exposed, red and raw, the armour-plating pulled away. Some echo of a face was there, the face of the condemned man or woman who had been converted into this machine, their brain programmed with its orders, their nervous system hooked up to its weapons.
The head snapped back, brains sprayed across the armoured shoulders. The servitor sank back onto its haunches, weapons drooping.
Behind Orfos was Enriaan, on his knees, focusing through the scope of his sniper rifle. The shot he had fired had blown the back of the servitor’s skull out, and he fired a second, shattering what remained. The remnants of the servitor’s head hung by a bundle of cables. A targeter lens fell out into the dirt.
Scout sniper rifle. Two shots to headsplode a servitor. We dont know if its a laser or projecitle weapon (coudl be either by context and pervious examples) but its probably around single digit kj (or maybe 10-20 kj tops) either way.




Page 176
The walls were lined with transparent cylinders. All but three were empty.
In the remaining three were human bodies, suspended in viscous clear fluid.
..
"These are sleep-teaching units," said Lysander. It was lost on none of the Imperial Fists that Space Marines were educated in similar units, filling their heads with principles of the Codex Astartes and battle-philosophy as they were converted from aspirants.
Sleep teaching units. It may give us an idea of what hypno-indoctination and similar methods might be employed (one of several.. remember the hypnocasque things from Inquisition war and such.) Space Marines (Fists at least) use this technique in their own training, as does the Assasinorum.




Page 197-198
A hundred pict-screens carried images from the war for Opis. Some were juddering images transmitted from pict-stealers on tanks or fighter craft. On one screen the ocean churned, waves lashing at the ruined defences of Khezal’s harbour. On another the Rekaban jungle jerked past, as seen by an intelligence observer embedded in Imperial forces trying to crush the guerilla fighters mounting raids from the jungle around the city. Grainy monochrome images from an artillery spotter showed the opening salvoes of Operation Starfall dropping Castellan missiles loaded with mine clusters across an expanse of barren plain.
The cogitators of the Merciless transmitted any audio which met the criteria of importance and urgency.
Command and control and data transmission stuffs involved in the conflict. There are clearly observers transmitting visual data, alongside the predicted vox traffic: Observers with I gather the infantry and such, as well as the vehicle and fighter 'gun cam' stuff. The most interesting is the visual relay from the artillery spotters, in my humble opinion.
Also the audio data is being sorted and prioritized by cogitator. Presumably something similar happens with the visual data as well (100 screens is alot for one man to observe.)




Page 205
General Seven walked up and down the ranks. He inspected the troops once every two hours for signs of physical degradation, equipment disrepair or the various physiological ailments that tended to hamper the effectiveness of a mind-wiped soldier. Nervous systems were particularly at risk. Repeated mind scourging and reprogramming shortened the life of nerve clusters and certain areas of the brain. Malcoordination and tics were particularly dangerous signs.
Problems associated iwth mindwiped troops. Apparently there is a finite number of times this can be done




Page 206
Like his men, General Seven lacked a name or discrete personality, but was capable of much more autonomy of thought than the majority of the troopers. He had to be trusted with leading them as well as fighting, and for that reason had many more of his original faculties intact.
Mindwiping (by this method at least) can be selective.




Page 207
The Damnatio Memoriae descended from the overcast sky, parting the clouds and the ocean spray, driving away the flocks of seabirds. It was a plain black craft of an ungainly shape, with an asymmetrical, blocky nose and great flaring engines. It was small by the standards of war-craft, easily able to fit onto the island’s small landing pad, but it was ancient even by the standards of the finest Imperial spaceships and hence was faster and more reliable that almost any other craft in the service of the Emperor. It had to be, for it had ferried its passengers across a good expanse of the Imperium in less than a week. A pilgrim craft or battleship might have made the same journey in a year.
**




Page 210
Lady Syncella glanced at her attendants. The mind-impulse unit built into her hindbrain sent a signal to them to accompany her back on board the Damnatio Memoriae.
Wireless MIU thingy. I think they'd call it noospheric.



Page 213-214
The guns of the Damnatio Memoriae erupted. Explosive fire hammered into the mountainside behind the gunship, throwing down cascades of rock.
But the gunship did not flee. It was outgunned by the huge-calibre guns of the far larger spacefaring ship. Its own weapons were not designed to penetrate the hide of the Damnatio Memoriae.
...
His heavy bolter slammed out chains of fire, bursting against the enemy’s hull. The enemy ship was small for a spacegoing vessel, but it was still easily four or five times the Thunderhawk’s size and the impacts seemed barely to dent its plain black livery.
Spacegoing ship much larger and more heaivly armed than thunderhawk, and resistant to said thunderhawk's weapons.
If the 'size' refers to length or volume, the ship would probably be around 100m or so long (at least it oculd be aorund that with length, if its main hull is fairly boxy or narrow.) If it refers to mass, however the thing would only be some 500-600 tons total, which is slightly larger than your typical attack craft (bit larger than a Manta's tonnage). Possible maybe, but it would be a highly unusual warp capable ship (and amongst the smallest known, at that.)



PAge 224
The Assassin’s camouflage flickered and Orfos saw him properly for the first time. He was dressed in a complete covering of black synskin, ribbed and panelled to protect the vital organs. The synskin covered his scalp, and his face was concealed by a mask with an opaque eyepiece and breathing grille. His sniper rifle was as long as he was tall, with a pistol in a holster as a backup.
Vindicaire assassin and associated gear.





Page 226
"The duty of the Imperial Guard is to fight and die without ever asking why. But I am a Space Marine! I am the chosen of the Emperor! I will not see the blood of my brethren shed in the darkness! When we risk our lives, we do it on our terms, not yours!"
Lest we forget and think Lysander is TOO great a guy, he can be an asshole too. Cuz he's a Space Marine. I do think Counter believes Space MArines have to be at least a bit of assholes somehow.





Page 229
The other was an Assassin going by his synskin suit, and a follower of the Vindicare Temple going by the sniper rifle he carried, an elaborate weapon with a large suppressor and a scope with a multiple lens selector.
Vindicaire rifle.




Page 230
"Or the Imperial Fists continue to fight. We will not give up on Opis. We will not allow its people to be condemned by the servants of Chaos. And we will not forget who brought those servants here."
Lysander again, reversing my earlier 'asshole' assessment. I guess its more reflective of the fact he views the Guard as a neccessary sacrifice for the greater good of the citizens of the Imperium. In a way it makes sense, because he is a Space Marine, and Space Marines often serve that same role, although their lives are not meant to be spent fruitlessly either.





Page 231-232
It was in this war, and in the upheavals that followed it that the Imperium, as it currently existed, was founded.
...
Killers were selected by the Emperor. Six murderers without peer, each so skilled at a particular form of death that their skill was akin to worship. When the Heresy ended, with Horus dead and the Emperor crippled, they vowed to pass on their skills to the next generations who would do murder in the Emperor’s name.
Or, the Emperor’s Church, the newly-founded Adeptus Ministorum, sought to reconcile the savagery of the Emperor’s many deviant cults with the word of the Imperial creed. These cultists offered up their murdered victims as sacrifices to the Emperor. Instead of purging them, the Ministorum brought them into the fold, focusing their bloodlust on the skills needed to hunt down the Emperor’s foes and building six mighty Temples to house and train them. Eventually the six Temples broke from the Adeptus Ministorum, and vanished into the deepest shadows of the Imperium.
Or, of all the most deadly killers deployed by the Ruinous Powers under Horus’s leadership, a handful were captured during the Heresy and its aftermath instead of being killed. The fledgling government of the Imperium offered to indulge their wildest excesses of bloodshed, in return for teaching their skills to the Imperium’s own killers and founding the six Temples.
None was true, but none was truly a lie, for the truth itself did not exist any more.
Rumours about the founding of the Assassin temples. All things told, its peculiar that they would have absolutely NO records of their past, given their secretive nature and isolation from the greater Imperium. Of course this is just what they're telling Lysander. For all we know they still know the truth and simply refuse to tell outsiders. IT could also be the true knowledge is restricted to the majority of Assassins and these are simply the stories told in its place or rumours that circulate.

In any event we know from 'Nemesis' the origins of the Assasinorum, and just who it was who created them.




Page 232
Even the High Lords of Terra, whose permission was required by Imperial law before an Assassin could be deployed, did not know where the Assassin Temples were located or even if there were physical temples at all. The very finest archeotech was made available for the Temples’ Grand Masters to arm and armour their agents.
Makes you wonder if its better than even what teh Grey Knights have.




Page 233
"The Callidus," said Lady Syncella. "Who kills through deceit and disguise. She can take on any form, even mimic the pheromones of certain noisome aliens, and thereby get close enough to the target to place a knife through whatever vital organ is the most vulnerable."
Callidus assassin abilities.




Page 234
"Third is the Venenum Temple. Masters of poisons. Theirs is the mantra that every enemy has a weakness. Even the alien and the daemon are not immune. Xenos-tailored toxins can be synthesised in such small doses that only Venenum can be trusted with their use, lest the last drops be wasted. Psychic poisons, such as those gathered from the Emperor’s own tears at the foot of the Golden Throne, might lay low the daemon. Again, only the Venenum can be given the task of delivering it."
Discussion of Venenum temple, which was elaborated on in Nemesis again. Interesting that they have alien-specific toxins implied ot be rare (Virus bombs can do that quite easily we're told elsewhere.) And of course psychic poisons made from the Emperor's tears, rather than the psyk-out stuff. He seems to produce alot of anti-psyker byproducts, doesn't he?




Page 234-235
"I had calculated for the effect of one Space Marine’s body impeding my shot," he said. "I was not prepared for the bullet to pass through two bodies."
The Vindicaire assassin talking about his accidentally shooting through two scouts, blowing the arm of Orfeo in the process. Rather interesting how it implies the Exitus rifle could have penetrated both Marines and been effective, had he planned for it.




Page 235
"Your collar renders you almost normal, then?"
"It does. As a Grand Master of the Culexus Temple I sometimes must attend to diplomatic duties among the other Adeptae. It would not be prudent to deploy the Culexus’s weapon on such occasions."




Page 235
"The Sixth Temple is the Vanus. His purpose is to erase not just the physical being, but the memory, the existence of the target as a social construct, eliminating all who know the target and erasing all data pertaining to him."
Vanus again was described in Nemesis. The interesting thing here is that its implied they are responsible for physically killing the agent, not just erasing or manipulating information about them. Whereas in Nemesis, the Vanus assassin was some sort of hacker information-manipulating type. Presumably they rely on more indirect methods to kill, like sabotage.
Oddly for this book they also name onyl six temples, although other sources have mentioned smaller/minor temples existing, if I remember right.





Page 244
..the medical servitor was still trundling behind him. Its fingers were divided into several dexterous manipulators, each as fine as a centipede’s leg, which were working on knitting the broken bone of his arm closed. A skin of medical gel covered the open incision, the muscle visible as the white bone was carefully rebuilt layer by layer. Intravenous lines hooked Tchepikov’s veins to the bottles and pumps set into the servitor’s torso.
Medical servitor and Imperial medical technology for repairing broken bones.




Page 245
"‘It’s not enough that I am defied to my face, on my very ship! The lords above us want my soldiers to dance and die to their tune!"
..
"But that is all we do," said Tchepikov. "Someone else plays, and we dance."
Poor IG. They suffer so much in Ben Counter novels, although its not like he writes them poorly. Its just more like they're the poor bastards everyone shits on. Still, it could be worse, it could be like in Crimson Tears.



Page 245
"Despatch to the 90th Algol Siegebreakers, Colonel Messk. Disengage and redeploy to Krae. Fully motorise for speed. Take vehicles and armour from other regiments if needs be."
Motorised regiments :P Although in this case its more assignment or requsition rather than because they have it innately.



Page 247
It was an armoured troop carrier, one of several in the sector battlefleet that, due to the need to transport men and materiel quickly to an embattled planet such as Opis, would certainly be used by Imperial forces if they attacked the planet.
Impltying there might be fast military transports (at least a few) per Sector.



Page 253
"Each Temple is dedicated to a particular form of death that can be visited upon a particular type of enemy," said Syncella. "A Callidus is employed when an enemy is well protected and inaccessible. A psychic target is typically eliminated by a Culexus Assassin such as myself. A Vindicare is used when only a kill from a distance is possible, and so on. The Maerorus Temple was created to deal with a target which, while being a single entity conceptually, is spread over a number of individuals. A rebel parliament, for example. A cult or similar deviant organisation. Families, a number of targets connected by a bloodline, were considered likely targets and hence the Maerorus was given the capacity to track particular gene signatures."
"How did the Maerorus kill?" asked Lysander.
"By the hand," replied Syncella. "The number of potential sub-targets was such that technology could not be relied upon. A gun can run out of bullets. A knife can break. Poison can run dry. Only unarmed killing would do. The Maerorus’s modus operandi was to enter into a target-rich area, typically a meeting or gathering, and kill every sub-target present as quickly as possible, without recourse to weaponry or fallible technology."
Sort of a 'generalist Macguyver kung fu master' of Assassins. It does reprenset one of the rare new kinds of course.



Page 255
The Siegebreakers were heavy infantry specialising in destroying and storming fortifications. The Guardsmen, numbering more than four thousand, had left their heavy weapons behind on the Starfall Line in the hurry to reach Krae. They strapped on their blastshield suits, bulky cocoons of layered flakweave and steel, and the regimental priests walked up and down the line offering blessings and taking final confessions.
..
The Siegebreakers held firm, for they had been raised on discipline. Some Guardsmen were savage berserkers recruited from feral worlds. Others were stealthy killers without mercy or morals who would scatter and skulk to fight tomorrow. But the Algol Siegebreakers were proud and well drilled, and they died standing up, front to the enemy, braced to fire and in formation.
...
Men shook it from their visors. Sharpshooters wiped it off the scopes of their lasguns.
Siegebreakers regiment deployed. Yet more heavy infantry like the heavy-grav dudes from the beginning, but in a differnet orle I'd gather. THey also have a variant of flak (flakweave and steel) although how it works and is designed we dont know. The armour is described later as being flak armour as well, so we know its not carapace. THey also have visors, and sharpshooters, although they didnt bring heavy weapons.





PAge 261
The Emperor’s Champion was a psychological weapon, for his obsidian blade could lay low an enemy leader and send the rest of the enemy army reeling with shock and dismay. Even a First Captain of the Imperial Fists could not call off the Emperor’s Champion when his challenge had been set. No Emperor’s Champion had ever backed down once he had called out an enemy. Many had died duelling with a foe, but none had ever run from a fight
Role of the Emperor's Champion.




Page 262
Agent Skult knelt and took aim with his longrifle. He fired a single shot that punched up through the Warp Serpent’s jaw and out through the top of its head in a black flash.
A void bullet, Lysander recognised. A bullet that imploded inside a biological target, leaving a great gory cavity.
Another magic Vindicaire bullet. I'm guessing its some sort of black hole or vortex weapon, perhaps akin to a miniature nova cannon shell.




PAge 273
When an Assassin of the Maerorus Temple killed, it was with the bare hand. Her Assassin’s training could guarantee that the first target would fall. It was the subsequent targets that were the problem – alerted to the danger, probably armed and with the advantage of numbers, even an Assassin would be hard pressed to kill them all empty-handed. So a Maerorus Assassin made use of that first victim and turned him into a weapon she could use – her physiology broke the body down into its raw biomass and transformed it instantly into weapon mutations. She was a living weapon, fuelled by the bodies of the dead, so that with every target she killed she became stronger. The Officio Assassinorum had bargained for centuries to gain the leverage over certain Adeptus Mechanicus tech-heretics to have the necessary research performed on rare mutant strains and shapeshifting xenos. The Maerorus Temple itself had started out as a huge, forbidden experiment camp, where thousands of subjects were rendered down to create the genetic material required to make the first Maerorus Assassin.
We learn what the Maerorus are capable of. In some ways it reminds me of Spear from Nemesis, some sort of overcharged Callidus, or something you'd find with the Tyranids. The interesting thing is that the Assassins are, without oversight from the Inquisition (Remember that after the Grand Master resigned the Ordo Sicarius took charge of the Assassins) or the High Lords. Of course how much of this was true is up for debate, but you'd wonder why the Assassins would freely lie about heresy (to Lysander, no less) if it were not true. Plot-wise it also reminds me a bit of Teturach in the whole 'Imperial experiment gone wrong' from Bleedign Chalice... except that the personality of the Legienstrasse is quite different from Teturach's god-complex.
So we get heretical R&D.. and the consequnces of it, which may explain just why R&D is so restricted/frowned upon.




Page 273-274
Lady Syncella’s eyes turned black and a bolt of nothingness shot from her. The concentrated essence of the Culexus, a shard of utter void, was enough to blast clean the soul of any normal target. To a psyker, it was utter oblivion, the annihilation of the spirit, a casting into an anti-realm that a psyker feared worse than death. To anyone else it was an instant cessation of existence. Focused by the Animus Speculum, a psyniscience device built into Syncella’s skull, it was the ultimate expression of their killing art.
Rather interesting that the 'Grand Master' of the Culexus does not need the skull mask and weird attachments on the helm to pull off the animus Speculum - rather its an implant. Makes sense given the Grand Master's purported 'diplomatic' roles at times, but its still interesting because of how different from normal depiction it is and the implication of miniaturization of the tech.




Page 301
Lysander pushed his chest out and stretched. His new skin complained. Some muscle had also been replaced with hasty nerve-fibre bundle implants between his ribs and the tops of his thighs.
Astartes repairs to Lysander's body.





Page 302-303
Ctesiphon picked up a small metallic device, no longer than a man’s finger. "This," he said. "It was buried in her spine. Possibly there were other such devices, but they have been lost. It’s a datavault."

Ctesiphon turned to the back of the cell block, where a holomat servitor lay curled up against the wall. It was a simple, rugged device, used for displaying tactical maps and important communications. Its biological components were hidden somewhere in a base that supported a long projector arm, now retracted.
Holomat and data implant Culexus 'Grand MAster' had.




Page 303-304
On a balcony overlooking the great temple chamber stood a lone figure in polished black armour, as bulky as full plate from a feudal world, but which moved with every breath as fluidly as water. The armour’s helmet was a skull, and on one hand the figure wore a gauntlet with blades for fingers.
"Eversor," said Lysander. "A Grand Master, perhaps. And that is a suit of Shadowplate armour. Its like has not been replicated for a thousand years and the last suits were lost when the forge world Lumias Vex fell. This recording is old. A thousand years or more."
Shadowplate armor. More losttech.





Page 306-307
A soldier screamed. He stumbled back, clutching at his face. A mass of pulsing, bloody flesh clung to him, devouring him even as the trooper fell to his knees. His scream choked off into a gurgling rattle. Las-fire pulsed and the trooper’s body vanished in a spray of blood and fire.
..
Fleshy masses, about knee-high, were oozing across the walls and floor. Mewling, fanged mouths opened up as they dragged themselves along. With a spasm of muscle one leapt, shooting past the viewer. The viewer spun and saw another trooper fall back, the pinkish mass latched onto his chest. Las-fire streaked into him, punching through his body. He fell, lifeless, the thing that had attacked him now a blackened, quivering lump.
lasfire in unknown quantity seeminlgy blows apart a trooper (or implied to) another features a chest sized lumb (or partly lump) burnt black from lasfire, and penetrating through body. Again quantitty is hardt oevaluate.



Page 308
"As Syncella explained it, Legienstrasse was created to kill whole groups of targets. When one is dead, its biomass can be used to create new weapons to kill more. And so on, each kill making the Maerorus a more effective killer. A cycle that goes on until every target is dead. It seems the Assassinorum neglected to make sure the cycle ended there. One Maerorus they could contain and bring back to the fold, especially once there is no more biomass available. But a dozen more like her, that can harvest their own biomass? That can spread and breed themselves? Worlds could be lost. Sectors. If Legienstrasse breeds, she will become more than a killing machine. She will become a plague, an intelligent plague that kills because it wants to."
..
"They should have exterminated her. These recordings were ancient, they knew long ago how dangerous one such Assassin could be. But they kept her alive. They lost control of her the moment they decided to let her live. Everything that followed was inevitable. Fate had written this story’s end a thousand years ago."
More on the Maerorus assassins. Lysander has a point really - what was the ASsassinorum thinking of? How could they think of NOT incorporating safeguards? This sort of thing is quite blatantly like the Tyranids (more a plague as Lysander says it) except its human.

It's also vaguely disturbing, as even with Sicarius oversight the Assassins are one of the few institutions in the Imperium (along with the Inquisition and AdMech itself) which could topple the Imperium if they so chose.




Page 317
Laspistol sidearms and combat knives did for the first few who emerged. By the time the next few made it out, many of the Guardsmen had their lasguns at the ready and the rats were picked off before they slithered all the way out of their hiding places.
There were a lot of them, and they did not seem afraid to die. These ragged people, as pale as worms, were apparently unarmed and determined to present themselves as targets to the Hektaon Lowlanders. Officers called for disciplined fire, and to keep out of each others’ lines of sight. Another died, two las-shots through his torso. Another, one leg sheared at the thigh. Another, crawling with his abdomen split open, shot through with three tightly-placed shots from a sergeant’s laspistol.
Again presumably lasfire is severing limbs (Same calcs and variables as earlier in the book). three las-shots (pistol or rifle we don't know) have blasted open a chest. Again maybe double digit kj perhaps (Depends on the size of the hole and the mechanism of course. A big hole with significant thermal coudl be quite energetic.)




Page 318
The leader of the crouched rats laughed, a horrible, raking sound from a torn throat. The skin of his chest blackened, his charred ribs showing through. More las-shots blew off an arm and ripped a chunk out of his shoulder. He did not die.
Severe lasfire burns across chest and blowing off arm and shoulder (although not sure how many shots) Figure at least 3rd-4th degree burns.



PAge 319
He was still alive when the disc of light tore open and madness bled through. A caged portal to another realm, a doorway to the warp, appeared as reality tore open.
..
The gate was short-lived, a makeshift work of sorcery that drained the life-force of the crouched rats in minutes. Those minutes were all it took for Karnikhal Six-Finger, World Eater and champion of Khorne, to stride through the doorway into the heart of Khezal.
Chaos using warp gates as an infiltration/invasion tactic. Living warp gates at that, created from the sacrifice of living beings to create them, quite similar to the way the Enslavers create such invasion portals. Rather sneaky.



Page 322
"Deeper into the city, flak guns and air defence lasers have been set up and adapted. "
Air defence lazors. I wonder if these reference the Icarus lascannon, or if its something else.




PAge 324
"Have you calibrated for indirect fire?"
Space MArine Vindicators re capable of indirect fire.




Page 326-327
A sniper shot blew the arm off another mutant beside Lysander. A second hit it in the jaw and sheared it off, and the mutant fell in a spray of corrupted purple-black blood. Lysander knew it was from Scout Enriaan, perched somewhere among the decorative marble surrounding the Aristeia section of the seating.
Again Scout sniper fire, we don't quite know how to calc it though since we dont know what kind of sniper rifle it is :P



Page 336
Beside him was a horror in clockwork, a construction rather larger than a man with a body composed of cogs and armatures supporting a face that looked to have been scraped from the head of a giant doll, with rouged porcelain cheeks, wide eyes of emeralds and a leer that seemed to contain more threat than all the weaponry and fury of Karnikhal Six-Finger.
Some osrt of Chaos Champion construct, the dreaded Chaos Kewpie Clockwork Doll of Doom. Gotta hand it to Ben Counter and his bizarre ideas, they can make you chuckle.



Page 344-345
Fully half the volume of the enormous room was taken up with the heaps of corpses, thousands of dead Stahls piled up and decaying. White bones poked through banks of rotting flesh. The same face stared out in every stage of decay and mutilation. Blood and corpse liquor had dried, black and sticky like tar on the floor.
One was alive. Dressed in the stained white of a medicae, he was picking his way up the slope of corpses, sorting through the blackened organs and torn limbs, throwing them aside as they came up wanting. A pile of select parts had grown up on the floor, separate from the rest. They were the parts of memories that Stahl found useful – that were worth salvaging from this genocide of his own memories.
..
Stahl looked around. His eyes were alive and aware. This was not some excised memory. This was the witch himself – a part of him, at least, whatever piece of the witch was dedicated to murdering the memories that reminded him of what it meant to be human.
Much like with the Chaos Champion early in the story, we discover that cultists are changed by their contact with Chaos, but in ways more complex than a simple 'turn evil' dynamic. The whole 'reinforcing/amplifying excesses/extremes' whilst sacrificing those more positive aspects of humanity (or suppressing them.) Again its quite a more complex depiction of Chaos than 'Bad Guys with daemons and sacrifice and terror.' really.




Page 362
Ucalegon used the second before Karnikhal got to him. He forced everything inside – his thoughts, his senses, the pounding of his hearts and the straining of his lungs. The Emperor’s Champion was not just an expert swordsman. He could take all the battles he had fought, all the lives he had taken and all the brothers he had seen fall, and turn it all inside.
A single breath, and he was focused. The bone chamber was thrown into impossibly high relief. Karnikhal’s armour was picked out in every detail. He moved slowly, as if recorded and played back in holo so Ucalegon could dissect his fighting style. Every one of Ucalegon’s senses was enhanced to its maximum, and there was nothing in the world except for Ucalegon, his enemy, and his sword.
I have to wonder if this is an actual ability of Emperor's Champions they have 'bestowed' on them by their title/role, or if its something Ucalegon is capable of. Or perhaps even some sort of self-fufilling prophecy (EG he thinks it happens, so it happens.) Or it may even be just psychological.




Page 380 Spoiler
Lysander left Serrick inspecting the skulls and captured weapons of the trophy hall. He touched the pendant he now wore around his neck – the bullet that killed Inquisitor Kekrops.
Once, he had known no limit to the sacrifices that should be made in the pursuit of victory. Life and death, right and wrong, even honour – the very identity of a Space Marine – could be abandoned if that was what it took to secure victory.
But now he knew. The Assassinorum had showed him that. There was a limit. Though he had taken the head of Legienstrasse, too much had been paid by the Assassinorum to give him the chance.
Perhaps he had always been searching for the answer to the question of how far was too far when seeking victory. Now he had that answer.
Odd as it sounds 'Space Marine learns a lesson about being human/astartes/self' seems a pretty apt way of describing this. It parallels the Grey Knights stuff very much in that regard, as both the first and third novel had Alaric learning something important along the struggles he faced. Throughout the book we're presented this image of Lysander as a hardcore badass who will sacrifice anything and anyone for victory. Its what others perceive him as, and to some point even he does... except, as this seems to show, its something that causes him doubt and concern. There ARE limits for Lysander, and the Assassinorum showed him that, and its a lesson he does not want to forget, lest he go too far and become that which he abhors. Its a really great way to end the story, and it reinforces that Counter wrote a damn good book.
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