GEoM deposited in other sci-fis....

[Lost Soal]

That kind of makes me want to know what all went on during the Dark Age of Technology and at the start of the Age of Strife in more detail than the tidbits we currently have. Given what we know of the time, the xenophobia/AI-phobia of the IoM is somewhat justified, though of course taken to hilarious extremes because this is 40K. I do wander what the Emperor's view of Xenos was at the height of humanity during the DAoT when they weren't an existential threat, though I imagine the Eldar were not trusted simply due to their power pre-fall and then because of the massive shitstorm they caused during their fall.

It's unknown how much contact humanity had with the Eldar pre-Fall. Like, seriously, totally, utterly unknown. The sum total of our knowledge about the DAoT is that "we had some cool stuff and went everywhere..." and that's it. Humanity may have had some form of non-warp FTL (perhaps some sort of engine that skims the edge of warp like the Tau use), hence their rapid expansion through the galaxy,

There is somewhat of a problem timeline-wise in that some sources peg the Fall of the Eldar around the beginning of M30. The Age of Strife started before then, M25 ish. I always had the impression that the Age of Strife began *with* the birth of Slaanesh, which would make more sense, I think...

Actually the birth of Slaanesh was the force which cleared up all the warp storms isolating everything. The Emperor forsaw this and timed the beginning of the Crusade for this occurance.

[Irbis]

Not terribly familiar with Andromeda, but he does seem to like the whole enhanced-human thing; Space Marines and Primarchs, anybody? So he might decide the Nietzscheans are his kind of people and throw in with them. Short term, Nietzscheans become more unified once they overthrow the Commonwealth; long term, he probably forges them into the basis for a stronger human Empire.

Actually, Imperium of Man is pretty big on Sacred Human Form (that's why having mutation of any kind is pretty much death penalty in most of it). Local equivalent of creationists, Ministorum, tolerates Space Marines only because most of them are incapable of making coherent argument why, if Emperor was so holy, Space Marines, being one of his last remaining works, aren't equally holy, thus prefer to ignore their material existence (and heretical beliefs) wherever possible.

[Elheru Aran]

That's more post-30K, dude. Pre 30K there's the whole "I'm totally not a god" thing going on with the Emperor. The mutation thing may hold true but if enhanced humans like the Nietzscheans look and act pretty much human for the most part they'd pass muster easily enough. There is even talk that the humanity of the Imperium has been enhanced to start with anyway... you can see this in how adaptable they are to hostile environments such as Catachan, Valhalla and Tallarn.

[StarSword]

Likewise near-human rubber-forehead aliens (e.g. Bajorans, Trill, Betazoids, and 99% of the aliens of the week from TOS) might end up classified as abhumans. Though I can't help but wonder what the Ecclesiarchy would make of the Prophets.

As for Star Wars, a lot of the really humanlike aliens (I can recall the Mandalorians, Echani, Zeltrons, Chiss, and Arkanians offhand) are apparently human colonies predating the development of hyperspace travel. They were separated long enough from ... wherever humans came from (it's either Tatooine or Coruscant) that evolution kicked in and turned them into something different.

EDIT: Whoops, forget the Mandos. Misremembered that one.

[Lord Revan]

mando's are a special case as they're a culture not a species but yes most human looking aliens are hominid species (if they still count as humans is up to debate)

[Irbis]

That's more post-30K, dude. Pre 30K there's the whole "I'm totally not a god" thing going on with the Emperor. The mutation thing may hold true but if enhanced humans like the Nietzscheans look and act pretty much human for the most part they'd pass muster easily enough. There is even talk that the humanity of the Imperium has been enhanced to start with anyway... you can see this in how adaptable they are to hostile environments such as Catachan, Valhalla and Tallarn.

That attitude didn't appear from nowhere. In fact, what is first act of Great Crusade after Emperor conquered Terra and secured alliance with Mars and Saturn? Why, he bombed Neptune and its 'no longer deemed human' inhabitants to the ground. GC didn't even left Solar System and already there was a mutant purge (plus xeno-purge, on Sedna).

As for Star Wars, a lot of the really humanlike aliens (I can recall the Mandalorians, Echani, Zeltrons, Chiss, and Arkanians offhand) are apparently human colonies predating the development of hyperspace travel.

In RPGs, they were classified 'near human', past evolutionary separated human colonies, making them not abhuman, but more like Catachan/Valhallan equivalents. Krieg would almost certainly be classified 'near human' in SW.

As for WH humans being modified, well, there arearguments both for (no wolves on Fenris) and against (mutual compatibility) but it's interesting Ecclesiarchy tried to purge Fenris several times and that Fenris genes tainted Space Wolves geneseed to the point it is no longer usable on other humans.

[Ralin]

They were separated long enough from ... wherever humans came from (it's either Tatooine or Coruscant) that evolution kicked in and turned them into something different.

Where is it implied that humans came from Tatooine? I haven't heard that one before.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Knights of the Old Republic 1. It's a bit vague, but the entire 'where did humans originate' thing in SW is vague in general.

[StarSword]

They were separated long enough from ... wherever humans came from (it's either Tatooine or Coruscant) that evolution kicked in and turned them into something different.

Where is it implied that humans came from Tatooine? I haven't heard that one before.

Interview with the Tusken Raider storyteller in Knights of the Old Republic. The relevant scene.

[Ralin]

Huh, interesting. Thanks. Video game and comic book EU are two things I've never been up on.

[Simon_Jester]

Where is it implied that humans came from Tatooine? I haven't heard that one before.

Interview with the Tusken Raider storyteller in Knights of the Old Republic. The relevant scene.[/quote]That's not a very strong implication- all it really says is that the humans 'remind' the Tuskens of their ancient culture. They might also physically resemble the ancient Tuskens, but not necessarily very closely.

[StarSword]

Interview with the Tusken Raider storyteller in Knights of the Old Republic. The relevant scene.

That's not a very strong implication- all it really says is that the humans 'remind' the Tuskens of their ancient culture. They might also physically resemble the ancient Tuskens, but not necessarily very closely.

I never said it was a strong implication, but it's more clue than we've gotten anywhere else. Also note that's just HK-47 summing up what the storyteller told you previously. I tried to find a video of the original conversation but didn't manage to do so, and I don't have an active KOTOR save or video capture software ATM so I can't get anything better myself.