Abilities of GEoM

[IronStar]

Those are things that it's actually precedented for the Emperor to do when the Imperium as a whole is threatened in 40k. But having the Emperor walk around having psionic armwrestling matches and blowing up giant robots with his brain is not so probable.

It is true, and as i said, there was good reason for Emperor not to show his power in front of people. But there is smth i cant understand about it.
As Simon noted "It might actually be easier to start with "what are truly, deeply, impressively high-end psykers and sorcerors capable of in 40k?" Because that at least establishes a baseline for what the God-Emperor is more capable than." And we know what they can do- from lightnings, fireballs, TK and stuff to tering the fabrics of reality and brainwashing entire populations of Hive worlds and even sectors. Actually we see these "psionic armwrestling" and killing tanks and stuff in 40k- and given available info about Emperor- he is capable of feats immensely greater(he can without any problem sit on a throne that killed second most powerful psyker in no time and as far as i know he keeps chaos gods in warp) - so why didnt he start to use these powers when Horus heresy obviously began and all his worries about ppl worshipping him actually didnt matter at all?

And about the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath- its really unknown whether it is really Emperor s intervention or no- it is said that Thor just believes storm to be it- thats all.

[Elheru Aran]

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given available info about Emperor- he is capable of feats immensely greater(he can without any problem sit on a throne that killed second most powerful psyker in no time and as far as i know he keeps chaos gods in warp) - so why didnt he start to use these powers when Horus heresy obviously began and all his worries about ppl worshipping him actually didnt matter at all?

And about the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath- its really unknown whether it is really Emperor s intervention or no- it is said that Thor just believes storm to be it- thats all.

I don't know about the Storm for sure, but it sure was mighty convenient...

As for why he didn't display his extreme powers in 30K... that one takes a little explaining. A big part of it is the belief in him as a god by the great majority of humanity. This is what makes him a god within the Warp more than anything else. It's kind of ironic-- if he'd encouraged the belief in him as a god, he might have been able to swat the Heresy a lot more easily...

Another part of it is personal limitation, I think. I suspect he was aware that he could be horribly powerful if he gave it a go, but he didn't want to go overboard and hurt people/destroy stuff more than necessary. You can see this in his final fight with Horus-- he holds back until the very end because he doesn't want to totally destroy Horus until there is no other solution. Interfering in the lives of the entire span of the Imperium by asserting his true godlike powers was a step further than he wanted to take things.

[Simon_Jester]

As Simon noted "It might actually be easier to start with "what are truly, deeply, impressively high-end psykers and sorcerors capable of in 40k?" Because that at least establishes a baseline for what the God-Emperor is more capable than." And we know what they can do- from lightnings, fireballs, TK and stuff to tering the fabrics of reality and brainwashing entire populations of Hive worlds and even sectors. Actually we see these "psionic armwrestling" and killing tanks and stuff in 40k- and given available info about Emperor- he is capable of feats immensely greater(he can without any problem sit on a throne that killed second most powerful psyker in no time and as far as i know he keeps chaos gods in warp) - so why didnt he start to use these powers when Horus heresy obviously began and all his worries about ppl worshipping him actually didnt matter at all?

And about the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath- its really unknown whether it is really Emperor s intervention or no- it is said that Thor just believes storm to be it- thats all.

Well, we HAVE seen the Emperor perform certain feats of immense psychic power (forcing whole legions of Space Marines to their knees, tossing massive blasts of force, et cetera). The main reasons he wasn't doing these things in the field during the Heresy are, as far as I can tell:

1) He's not willing to abandon Earth to physically go out there and defeat the rebels in person, entrusting this to his sons and their legions.
2) He's still hoping that the traitor primarchs (or some of them) can be redeemed, so he doesn't simply annihilate them with sheer brute force of will, even though he could.

Both of these are costly mistakes, but they seem to be actual honest mistakes, things the man does because of sincere feelings and opinions that flow out of flaws in the character. Not just inexplicable "did you forget you have superpowers" crap.

After that, well, it's actually plausible that being worshiped as a god by trillions, having hundreds or thousands of psychics sacrificed to feed him with energy every day, and being plugged into this massive beacon-amplifier are all somehow increasing his actual powers, permitting him to do things in the Warp that even he couldn't have done as a mortal, and that only a god could do.

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Also, and this is kind of petty, could you PLEASE not use chatspeak? "People" isn't that much harder to write than 'ppl' when you're already committed to writing a whole paragraph anyway.

[Purple]

I don't know the current cannon after the new books that I don't have. But wasn't there also that human webway thing he was trying to build that got blown up when Magnus sent him a message to warn him about the start of the treachery and is not basically an open portal to hell on earth? And wasn't that one of the chief reasons why he had to stay on the throne?

[Simon_Jester]

Oooh. Good point. I'd forgotten that, but it's obviously relevant.

[IronStar]

As for why he didn't display his extreme powers in 30K... that one takes a little explaining. A big part of it is the belief in him as a god by the great majority of humanity. This is what makes him a god within the Warp more than anything else. It's kind of ironic-- if he'd encouraged the belief in him as a god, he might have been able to swat the Heresy a lot more easily...

Interesting thought. Yes it is actually quite possible that human belief can power him, but i really don t think that lack of it is going to render him unable to perform impressive feats. It can be important when hypothetically compare him with chaos gods(large scale) but i don t think that lack of belief is going to deprave him from hypothetical ability to crush tanks or forcing entire sm legions to kneel.

Another part of it is personal limitation, I think. I suspect he was aware that he could be horribly powerful if he gave it a go, but he didn't want to go overboard and hurt people/destroy stuff more than necessary.

As i said this behavior was perfectly valid and understandable before and during the great crusade, but it was unreasonable when everything he and humanity have achieved was going to hell.

you can see this in his final fight with Horus

As i know he hoped that he could still save Horus but i don t think that it is right to extrapolate this situation to the entire Heresy- if he is really as powerfull as a chaos god(which some sources imply) blowing up some warships or interfering on larger scale with ability of traitors to fight(which is possible given that word bearers example) is just a small fraction of his powers- these wouldnt have been some godlike feats, just feats of extremely powerfull psyker which was not a secret for others that he was one. I am really not talking about him god-style ending entire situation and turning everything like there was no heresy at all by thinking about it.

But still if reasons not to use some powers were personal limitations- especially given that he didnt have these when entire civilisations were massacred under his command or at least him knowing about that and not giving a damn- he was not as wise and rational as he was portrayed.

Also, and this is kind of petty, could you PLEASE not use chatspeak? "People" isn't that much harder to write than 'ppl' when you're already committed to writing a whole paragraph anyway.

Noted. I ll try not to do this anymore.