What is civilian life like in Science Fiction?

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Re: What is civilian life like in Science Fiction?

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Formless wrote:I'd agree with you, but your examples aren't great. Quark's does not qualify as Federation: he is a Ferengi doing business on a Bajoran space station, despite Starfleet administrating the place as part of whatever diplomatic deal the Federation made with Bajor.

Its also possible that those corporations are government owned, you know, or operate on Federation planets that don't stick dogmatically to Earth's style of socialism. In much the same way that there are now stores selling cannabis here in Colorado, but you can't find them in Texas just a few hundred miles south of here. Each planet seems to retain some level of sovereignty or self administration.
Quark's is special circumstances, I'll give you that. It's the main one that came to mind though, and it's part of civilian life on DS9 for all that it's not necessarily part of the Fed.

The corporations are an interesting question as there's not much data on them. However, they do exist. They may have been neutered to the point where they are essentially research arms of the government, or they may be developing new technologies and building resources for the Fed remunerating them. We simply don't know one way or another.

And that's really the problem. All of Trek that we've seen, aside from brief glimpses which don't really add up to a whole lot, has been Starfleet for the most part. There really has been little to no civilian world-building. Bit of a shame really, but that's the model they started with and it wouldn't necessarily work to depart too far from it.
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Elheru Aran wrote:Quark's is special circumstances, I'll give you that. It's the main one that came to mind though, and it's part of civilian life on DS9 for all that it's not necessarily part of the Fed.
Thing is, the whole station is a special case. Its a diplomatic hub that's just this side of being neutral territory, and also shifts towards being a military installation near the end of the series. The actual jobs civilians play on the station is never clear, except those who play a service role like Quark and Garrak. It doesn't seem unlikely that they are some of the few civilians that actually stay there on a permanent basis, while the rest are traders, tourists, or passing through to Bajor. Maquis agents and other subversives, notwithstanding.

A better example of corporate representation would probably be the publishing house the EMH dealt with in the last season of Voyager. Not only does it appear to be a private business, as the only way to deal with their BS was a lawsuit, but it shows that Intellectual Property still exists and still gives people headaches in the future.
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I wouldn't mind living as a civilan in novel 'verse Starship Troopers
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Jedi Commisar wrote:I wouldn't mind living as a civilan in novel 'verse Starship Troopers
This is reasonable as long as the Bugs don't attack Earth and you don't break a law. Public floggings don't sound like much fun, and neither does having to serve a term in the military in order to vote, among other things. Hell, what if you're handicapped in some fashion and *can't* get into the military?

It does seem to be reasonably comfortable, but there's less freedom than I'd enjoy living with...
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Elheru Aran wrote:
Jedi Commisar wrote:I wouldn't mind living as a civilan in novel 'verse Starship Troopers
This is reasonable as long as the Bugs don't attack Earth and you don't break a law. Public floggings don't sound like much fun, and neither does having to serve a term in the military in order to vote, among other things. Hell, what if you're handicapped in some fashion and *can't* get into the military?
As I recall, in the book "Federal service" covers a wide variety of things, not just military service, & they've basically got to take anyone who seriously wants to sign up regardless of disabilities (even if due to disabilities that requires quite a bit of thinking to find them something they can actually do).
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This is explicitly covered - they would have to give you a job 'counting fur on a caterpillar' if your disabilities prevent anything useful.
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Elheru Aran wrote: Business-wise, there's Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, Triplanetary Development, Diva Droid, Madame Chang's, Sisko's restaurant, etc...
Is there really a Star Trek company called the "Sirius Cybernetics Corporation"? Because that's something out of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
And speaking of which, I don't think a universe where brains are a liability, insanity is normal, government is run by Lawful Stupid bureaucrats, and the laws of physics are treated like 'guidelines' would be a nice or safe place to live.
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Yep Appearing in background text. It's called a shout out. Like references to Alderaan and the actors who have played the Doctor in similar texts.
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I'm not sure how a government run by Lawful Stupid bureaucrats is all that different from the Real World and how does the laws of physics being different from what we thought they were (which is exactly what happened in the real world by the way) make civilian life any less safe?
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