The UED and the Koprulu sector are ISOT to Stargate Galaxy?
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The UED and the Koprulu sector are ISOT to Stargate Galaxy?
What if by act of ROB, the UED as well as the Koprulu sector in the year 2500 have been ISOT to the Stargate Galaxy during the events of "Children of the Gods"? How do you think the UED and the Koprulu sector are going to react and respond to the threats of the Stargate Galaxy? Also as a gift, ROB sends Earth as well as the Koprulu sector a Stargate that they can use to travel to other planets. What happens?
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It is really hard to quantify Starcraft weaponry, so really, who knows?
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Re: The UED and the Koprulu sector are ISOT to Stargate Gala
near impossible I would say, hence I always say that vs. threads involving Blizzard games are generally unsolveble due to lack of useble information.Thanas wrote:It is really hard to quantify Starcraft weaponry, so really, who knows?
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It gets even worse when you try to quantify anything regarding numbers. Dozens of battlecruisers are either half the fleet or a minor taskforce depending on what game you play, heck sometimes even within the same game you find such inconsistencies.
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From the wiki, the Koprulu sector is 60,000 lys from Earth and they had to rely on cryo-chambers for their trip there. But still, that's over half a galaxy away, so maybe not that bad. I don't recall when the UED sent out the task force, but it couldn't have been more than a few years at most after they discovered the existence of the Zerg and Protoss.
On the ground, if depleted Uranium rounds out of a P90 can down Goa'uld grunts, even a few Space Marines coming out of a Stargate would force them off the planet. Staff blasts may do nothing to their armor and even if it does, the UED will likely put more than a small force of 3-4 people through a Stargate because they aren't concerned with the Goa'uld counter-attacking, and would likely welcome this after they massacre a few snake-head soldiers.
A lot of the issues SG-1 deals with would not apply to the UED. They don't have to worry about capture (grunts are easily replaced and don't know much of anything either way) or fighting against better armed forces, or even diplomacy for that matter, nor is the threat of invasion all that bad unless UED Battlecruisers can't damage Hataks at all, which could be a possibility. But the UED was ready to wage war on the Protoss, even after they knew about their superior tech. And IIRC, this would have been against a Protoss with an undestroyed homeworld and most of it's fighting force intact. So, not that smart, but willing to bust heads.
But the UED is also not nearly as likely to find the same types of allies SG-1 will. They'd use every resource to steal what they could, but also have the technology to put themselves on more even ground negotiating with other races for advanced technology.
EDIT: Wait, does the "Koprulu sector" also include the Zerg and Protoss? Because... that would be bad for just about everyone involved.
On the ground, if depleted Uranium rounds out of a P90 can down Goa'uld grunts, even a few Space Marines coming out of a Stargate would force them off the planet. Staff blasts may do nothing to their armor and even if it does, the UED will likely put more than a small force of 3-4 people through a Stargate because they aren't concerned with the Goa'uld counter-attacking, and would likely welcome this after they massacre a few snake-head soldiers.
A lot of the issues SG-1 deals with would not apply to the UED. They don't have to worry about capture (grunts are easily replaced and don't know much of anything either way) or fighting against better armed forces, or even diplomacy for that matter, nor is the threat of invasion all that bad unless UED Battlecruisers can't damage Hataks at all, which could be a possibility. But the UED was ready to wage war on the Protoss, even after they knew about their superior tech. And IIRC, this would have been against a Protoss with an undestroyed homeworld and most of it's fighting force intact. So, not that smart, but willing to bust heads.
But the UED is also not nearly as likely to find the same types of allies SG-1 will. They'd use every resource to steal what they could, but also have the technology to put themselves on more even ground negotiating with other races for advanced technology.
EDIT: Wait, does the "Koprulu sector" also include the Zerg and Protoss? Because... that would be bad for just about everyone involved.
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IIRC, Aiur itself is not in the Koprulu sector, so any Protoss worlds that go along with it will suffer terrible logistics setbacks, possibly so badly that they will be completely out of the fight. The Zerg presence at the time was lower than the current "present day" of SC, but not insignificantly low. Without the Protoss to keep them down, though, the Koprulu sector would probably get overrun anyway, just not as rapidly as it did originally. I'm not sure if the Overmind will have relocated itself to the sector yet, the war lasted only a year or two and the dates are vague or not even stated exactly. If the Overmind is in the sector, everyone will have problems. However, fortunately it will be limited to its resources in the sector initially. If any of SG's major players or the UED themselves send a fleet to lock down everything before the Zerg can become a thread, all will be alright.
In terms of travel times, I think the UED task force took about 2-8 months to get to the Koprulu sector. However, for a bare minimum base FTL speed, the Koprulu colony ships traveled at about 5.8 ly/d.
SC firepower figures are generally all over the place, and the tech can be hard to quantify, but we do know a few things:
- They use nuclear weapons readily
- At least some of these weapons are powerful enough that the use of they can severely damage the biosphere, climate, and in general everything on the surface of a world in very short order, with only a thousand fired. It is never stated if the missiles used on Korhal are MIRV or not, though I would have the suspicion they are.
- Terran/Human ships DO have forms of shielding, but they are, with some exceptions, generally meant to deflect hazards and prevent boarding parties from latching on, and don't do much in combat against similar ships.
- Their firearms are at least as powerful as modern equivalents, though given the prevalence of powered armor I imagine they are a bit more potent, or are more geared to armor penetration.
Like modern armies they do clearly use combined arms tactics, or at the least have the equipment to do so. And since Terran marines are little more than well armored grunts, they can just keep pushing them through the gate. Vultures will also be invaluable for scouting through the gate, though I don't know if their heavier vehicles could fit through. If they can't, can always send some SCVs through with the parts to build vehicles on the other side.
So, I'd say, when it comes to gate-based expeditions, the UED can probably fare as well or better as the humans in Stargate did, and while they have an advantage over the original Earth due to their extensive space presence, we have no idea how that matches up for firepower or technology beyond very vague benchmarks. At least in terms of industry, I think the UED has an advantage, given that they have a standing fleet of at least several doze or past a hundred battlecruisers, which are just about twice the size of a 304, and carry over an order of magnitude more crew and personnel.
Basing the capabilities of the UED's tech off of Koprulu sector technology is problematic, though, since it has been implied by Blizzard via Metzen that the invasion force used local technology so that their logistics chain could easily be maintained by local industry.
In terms of travel times, I think the UED task force took about 2-8 months to get to the Koprulu sector. However, for a bare minimum base FTL speed, the Koprulu colony ships traveled at about 5.8 ly/d.
SC firepower figures are generally all over the place, and the tech can be hard to quantify, but we do know a few things:
- They use nuclear weapons readily
- At least some of these weapons are powerful enough that the use of they can severely damage the biosphere, climate, and in general everything on the surface of a world in very short order, with only a thousand fired. It is never stated if the missiles used on Korhal are MIRV or not, though I would have the suspicion they are.
- Terran/Human ships DO have forms of shielding, but they are, with some exceptions, generally meant to deflect hazards and prevent boarding parties from latching on, and don't do much in combat against similar ships.
- Their firearms are at least as powerful as modern equivalents, though given the prevalence of powered armor I imagine they are a bit more potent, or are more geared to armor penetration.
Like modern armies they do clearly use combined arms tactics, or at the least have the equipment to do so. And since Terran marines are little more than well armored grunts, they can just keep pushing them through the gate. Vultures will also be invaluable for scouting through the gate, though I don't know if their heavier vehicles could fit through. If they can't, can always send some SCVs through with the parts to build vehicles on the other side.
So, I'd say, when it comes to gate-based expeditions, the UED can probably fare as well or better as the humans in Stargate did, and while they have an advantage over the original Earth due to their extensive space presence, we have no idea how that matches up for firepower or technology beyond very vague benchmarks. At least in terms of industry, I think the UED has an advantage, given that they have a standing fleet of at least several doze or past a hundred battlecruisers, which are just about twice the size of a 304, and carry over an order of magnitude more crew and personnel.
Basing the capabilities of the UED's tech off of Koprulu sector technology is problematic, though, since it has been implied by Blizzard via Metzen that the invasion force used local technology so that their logistics chain could easily be maintained by local industry.