Something inspired by the Agents of SHIELD season three thread. Since we know how Ward vs. Coulson played out, here's a new scenario: Daniel Craig's Bond (between Skyfall and Spectre) vs. Grant Ward (as of the most recent episodes of Agents of SHIELD). The top Hydra hitman vs. the top MI6 hitman in a battle to the death.
Scenario One:
One on one fight in the desert. Each man has his preferred choice of hand gun and a cell phone, but no other gear.
Scenario Two: Instead of SHIELD, MI6 sends Bond in to deal with the Hydra forces in Malik's castle when they open the portal. Mission goals are, in order of priority:
1. Keep the creature from coming through the portal or kill it if it comes through, and shut down said portal.
2. Kill Grant Ward and Malik.
3. Rescue Fitz/Simmons and any other innocents.
4. Kill random Hydra goons.
For this assignment, Bond has Q on the line for advice/tech. support, a communication device, a hand gun, and that gun he was carrying in the opening sequence of Spectre. He also has a getaway car, with the usual gadgets, parked in the woods nearby.
Craig Bond vs. Grant Ward.
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Re: Craig Bond vs. Grant Ward.
Scenario 1: Have to give this to Ward. He's younger, in better shape, and a good shot.
Bond is older, didn't pass evaluation back in Skyfall, and there is evidence of some cronic injuries.
Scenario 2:
Bond isn't going to care about talking to Ward. He's going to put a bullet in his head the second he has a shot. He'll then find Fisk and the other guy, see them fighting, and when he walks by the down dead inhumane, he'll put another bullet in it to be sure.
Once he gets out, character shields kick in, and he probably kills all the Hydra characters, rescues Gemma and the Inhumanes, and Lash stays in confinement.
He also seduces May and Daisy, because he can.
Bond is older, didn't pass evaluation back in Skyfall, and there is evidence of some cronic injuries.
Scenario 2:
Bond isn't going to care about talking to Ward. He's going to put a bullet in his head the second he has a shot. He'll then find Fisk and the other guy, see them fighting, and when he walks by the down dead inhumane, he'll put another bullet in it to be sure.
Once he gets out, character shields kick in, and he probably kills all the Hydra characters, rescues Gemma and the Inhumanes, and Lash stays in confinement.
He also seduces May and Daisy, because he can.
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Re: Craig Bond vs. Grant Ward.
This is one of those scenarios that is almost impossible to call. Realistically, the outcome is based upon factors that come down to luck a fair bit. Two characters hunting each other will not have the same outcome twice. In terms of narrative realism, it comes down to whichever is the hero, which in this case is Bond. So going by that logic Bond wins both.
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Re: Craig Bond vs. Grant Ward.
While that makes sense in isolation, the fact is that Bond is ridiculously tough and pretty ruthless at times for a nominal good guy. In particular, I'm thinking of his fight with Hinx in Spectre, where Bond kept going after a pounding that would probably, realistically, kill or cripple a human being. Also the fact that he survived being shot with a sniper rifle and then falling into a river in Skyfall, and that he basically shrugged off any after-effects of going into cardiac arrest in Casino Royale.Solauren wrote:Scenario 1: Have to give this to Ward. He's younger, in better shape, and a good shot.
Bond is older, didn't pass evaluation back in Skyfall, and there is evidence of some cronic injuries.
Of course, this implausible durability is typical of action stars, but in all honesty, if Bond was in the Marvel universe, I'd probably peg him as likely having low-level superhuman durability and/or regeneration.
To the point that I was worried I'd hear that this scenario was lopsided in Bond's favour.
Likely, yes. I mean, he'll probably make a quip, because Bond, but he's not going to hesitate if his life is on the line, and he won't have Coulson's personal motivation to taunt or otherwise confront Ward. He would only spare Ward temporarily if he needed Ward (of course, that's why Coulson waited in the end).Scenario 2:
Bond isn't going to care about talking to Ward.
Not sure he can kill the inhumane, as it survived being burned to a crisp. He can certainly leave it stranded where it was though, which I'll count as a win.He's going to put a bullet in his head the second he has a shot. He'll then find Fisk and the other guy, see them fighting, and when he walks by the down dead inhumane, he'll put another bullet in it to be sure.
Their only seemed to be maybe a couple dozen Hydra goons, give or take. That's a lot, but Bond has gone through similar numbers of armed goons before (see his raid on the hotel at the end of Quantum of Solace, and shooting his way out of Oberhauser's base in Spectre).Once he gets out, character shields kick in, and he probably kills all the Hydra characters, rescues Gemma and the Inhumanes, and Lash stays in confinement.
My biggest concern here is that he'll let Lash out, thinking Andrew's just an innocent prisoner of Hydra. I guess it would come down to how thoroughly he was briefed before going in. Or if he got to Jemma first and she warned him.
If he does let Lash out, well, Lash is the only person their I have no doubt could likely take Bond one on one.
May doesn't seem like someone who would be easy to seduce. Though given that she was apparently the one who started things with Ward, she might conceivably seduce Bond.He also seduces May and Daisy, because he can.
Daisy isn't really involved with anyone right now (she still seems to be in the preliminary stages with Lincoln), so maybe.
Of course, Bond can always hit on Bobbie and Jemma as well, though they're basically both in complicated relationships as is.
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Re: Craig Bond vs. Grant Ward.
Fair point for the first scenario.Adam Reynolds wrote:This is one of those scenarios that is almost impossible to call. Realistically, the outcome is based upon factors that come down to luck a fair bit. Two characters hunting each other will not have the same outcome twice.
For the second, its a bit more complicated, because its not just a one on one hunt, but assaulting an instillation where you have multiple opponents (of wildly varying quality) with captives/potential hostages in play.
On the other hand, Craig's Bond is defined in part by loss. He may be the hero, he may walk away at the end, but it took him four films to take down Quantum/Spectre's leadership, and in the process he lost at least three women he slept with, including one he was genuinely in love with, as well as his boss. And, of course, plenty of innocent bystanders. So narratively, he might survive and take down the Hydra operation but at the cost of, say, Fitz/Simmons ending up dead and the main bad guy getting away. That would be entirely consistent with how Craig's Bond is written.In terms of narrative realism, it comes down to whichever is the hero, which in this case is Bond. So going by that logic Bond wins both.
Solauren: Another point I wished to bring up, but forgot to, was the Hydra goon who pulls telekinetic tricks with guns. So their is at least one Hydra goon in that scenario besides Ward who is above mere mook level.