Doctor Who 9x10 - Face The Raven (spoilers!)

[Batman]

Um-unless we're talking the likes of adamantium wether or not humans wore protective clothing when they were vapourized is moderately irrelevant so may I inquire what you're talking about? Because if the radiation in enough to vapourize you, no real world clothing is going to make a difference.

[Tribble]

Um-unless we're talking the likes of adamantium wether or not humans wore protective clothing when they were vapourized is moderately irrelevant so may I inquire what you're talking about? Because if the radiation in enough to vapourize you, no real world clothing is going to make a difference.

IIRC in "Utopia" humanity was trying to launch a spaceship to the fabled place. Unfortunately the engines were sabotaged by the Futurekind, and a man attempting to repair them is promptly vaporized by the radiation. He was wearing some kind of protective suit which I presumed was meant for the engine's radiation (but as you pointed out the suit was nowhere near strong enough to stop him being vaporized). On the other hand, Captain Jack was able to enter the room and affect the repairs without being harmed or killed. There was also another occasion where Jack stayed with a man who committed suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning in his car, and he didn't appear to be affected by it. Apparently Captain Jack's immortality makes him immune to certain kinds of damage in addition to resurrecting him whenever he is killed. It's possible that the Raven's abilities wouldn't work on him.

EDIT: That particular form of radiation apparently only effects flesh, but obviously the poor smuck's suit didn't do much to protect him.

[Eternal_Freedom]

In the "Utopia" example, I got the impression that the protective suit would have been fine against the normal radiation levels, but then that Futurekind fucked things up, the levels spiked and rather than leg it the dude tried to stay. And then he got vaporised.

[Tribble]

In the "Utopia" example, I got the impression that the protective suit would have been fine against the normal radiation levels, but then that Futurekind fucked things up, the levels spiked and rather than leg it the dude tried to stay. And then he got vaporised.

Right, my point is that while he was vaporized Captain Jack wasn't. In addition to being resurrected, his immortality appears to have given him immunity to certain kinds of harm.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

As I've always understood Jacks Immortality (although it doesn't really match what we see on screen) is because Rose/Bad Wolf/The Time Vortex declared that he will live that every time he dies he 'resets' to the point before his first death. Maybe the mark wouldn't be on him any more after that.

Alternatively, the mark might not stick to him in the first place - he doesn't just fail to stay dead, he doesn't change either.

Ya it's hard to say for sure. I'm not even sure if the Raven's would stick to Jack at all- he's been shown to be completely immune to certain things, including carbon monoxide, and radiation powerful enough to vaporize humans even when they are wearing protective clothing. Though it would be kinda amusing to watch the Raven get fat and explode, as it wouldn't be the first time that Jack's immortality killed something.

IIRC the Doctor mentioned that Jack had become a living "fact" of the universe, such an impossible thing that even the Doctor had difficulty looking at him. It wasn't just that he was immortal, apparently he had become an immutable part of the universe's history, at least until his apparent death as the Face of Boe. IMO this is also the reason why the Doctor disabled his Vortex Manipulator - if all of Jack's history is fact and cannot be altered, and he time travels, I'd imagine that could screw things up really badly.

Like when he allowed Abaddon to feed on him, resulting in Abaddon choking to death. Interestingly, it took Jack several days to resurrect. As I recall, he'd also had a bomb implanted inside him which blew up him and the Torchwood base, but because his head had survived he was able to regenerate.

[SpottedKitty]

As I recall, he'd also had a bomb implanted inside him which blew up him and the Torchwood base, but because his head had survived he was able to regenerate.

Been a while since I last watched it, but I'm fairly sure Jack was reduced to chunks and splatters — possibly the biggest surviving piece being the arm recovered from the bottom of the crater. There was a line or two of dialogue when the body bag was opened later; something about "if you think this is bad, he was just bits and pieces when he went into the bag", I think.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

As I recall, he'd also had a bomb implanted inside him which blew up him and the Torchwood base, but because his head had survived he was able to regenerate.

Been a while since I last watched it, but I'm fairly sure Jack was reduced to chunks and splatters — possibly the biggest surviving piece being the arm recovered from the bottom of the crater. There was a line or two of dialogue when the body bag was opened later; something about "if you think this is bad, he was just bits and pieces when he went into the bag", I think.

Literally- I just checked the Tardis Wiki and it confirmed what I remembered, it was one of his arms and his head. I suspect that there was more but those were the only two parts that could actually be identified. I'm assuming that because his head (somehow) survived, he could regenerate from that. Theoretically though, if his arm was kept separated from his head it could potentially have regrown into a whole new Jack. Put that one in the "headscratchers" section. Same for how if the bomb yield was high enough to destroy the Torchwood Hub, it's not going to leave pieces that large

[madd0ct0r]

It didnt. It took them a few hours to dig it out. From cellls to elbow in th st time.

[Broomstick]

I suspect that no matter how many pieces Jack might be rendered into, or which bits are the large chunks, the universe is only going to regenerate one Jack Harkness.

[Eternal_Freedom]

And that is a good thing. If there were two of him, the homoerotic tension would skyrocket and rip a hole in the universe.

[jwl]

What about that dalek incinerator in journey's end? Did it just not work or was that a full-body incineration he survived there.

[Broomstick]

That's what killed him the first time - that's what led Rose!Bad Wolf to resurrect him a little too thoroughly. (Assuming we're both thinking of the same episode...)

[jwl]

No, journey's end is the one where the doctordonna appears.

[Broomstick]

Ah... right. Memory misfire.

[Hillary]

What about that dalek incinerator in journey's end? Did it just not work or was that a full-body incineration he survived there.

I think you'll find that Journey's End didn't actually happen. It was simply a mass hallucination event and can therefore be ignored.

Please let this be true.

[DaveJB]

What about that dalek incinerator in journey's end? Did it just not work or was that a full-body incineration he survived there.

Jack may be indestructible, but his clothes aren't. And considering that he came out of the incinerator with them barely even singed, presumably he got out while it was still warming up.