Star Trek vs StarGate SG-1

[Falcon]

Ok, Earth and its allies (Tolan, Asgard, Tok'ra, tc..) vs Earth and its allies (Vulcans, Klingons if you want, etc...)


discuss

(don't assume that each side will be able to get all of their allies to help, asgard are busy with replicators, etc...)

[Imperial Federation]

SG-1 would find ways onto the enemy ships and blow them up (it has to be SG-1, any other team trying it would die horribly ).

The Asgard would simply obliterate them I'd imagine, or not do anything at all, considering how hit-or-miss all Stargate SG-1 weapons seem to be..

[NecronLord]

Uck asgard Uch, they'd slaughter anything in star trek, even so;- uch.

[Wicked Pilot]

Considering that there are no stargates on worlds belonging to the Federation and their allies, the SGC is taken out of the game.

I'd say, let the Asgard drop some Replicators on a Federation world. The Klingons had to fight a full scale war against tribbles, imaging how much havoc the Replicators would cause.

[Alyeska]

I'd imagine the Tokra and SGC would be a non issue except when the Federation blundered across those planets. The Asgard are another issue altogether though. We know that Gouald Motherships can survive several hundred MT shots, and that the Asgard can kick the hell out of them (except for Anubis). I would expect that the Asgard could do some serious kickass work against the Federation. It would be somewhat of a bloody fight because the Federation is much larger then the Gouald, but the Asgard are no longer hindered greatly by the Replicators so it should even out.

[NecronLord]

I'd imagine the Tokra and SGC would be a non issue except when the Federation blundered across those planets. The Asgard are another issue altogether though. We know that Gouald Motherships can survive several hundred MT shots, and that the Asgard can kick the hell out of them (except for Anubis). I would expect that the Asgard could do some serious kickass work against the Federation. It would be somewhat of a bloody fight because the Federation is much larger then the Gouald, but the Asgard are no longer hindered greatly by the Replicators so it should even out.

Bull, The Goa'uld are the only advanced spacegoing race in the milky way left. They control at least one galaxy.

[Alyeska]

I'd imagine the Tokra and SGC would be a non issue except when the Federation blundered across those planets. The Asgard are another issue altogether though. We know that Gouald Motherships can survive several hundred MT shots, and that the Asgard can kick the hell out of them (except for Anubis). I would expect that the Asgard could do some serious kickass work against the Federation. It would be somewhat of a bloody fight because the Federation is much larger then the Gouald, but the Asgard are no longer hindered greatly by the Replicators so it should even out.

Bull, The Goa'uld are the only advanced spacegoing race in the milky way left. They control at least one galaxy.

Uh, what? The Goa'uld only control one Galaxy, and they are not directly in question in this debate.

[Imperial Federation]

Uh, what? The Goa'uld only control one Galaxy, and they are not directly in question in this debate.

Uh, wouldn't that make them larger than the Federation by default?

[spongyblue]

Give Macyver a swiss army knife, gum, and a liter and he flattens the Federation in no time. Oops wrong show

[Mr. B]

Give Macyver a swiss army knife, gum, and a liter and he flattens the Federation in no time. Oops wrong show

It doesn't matter, he could still do it.

[Alyeska]

Uh, what? The Goa'uld only control one Galaxy, and they are not directly in question in this debate.

Uh, wouldn't that make them larger than the Federation by default?

No, it would not. It means they control planets over a wider range of territory, but that does not mean by default they have more. Apophis was considered a major threat and he didn't even have all that many ships. The System Lords are considered to have a fleet 100 times more then that that threatened earth when Apophis made his failed attack. That was 2 ships. 100 times more is only 200 ships.

[Imperial Federation]

Uh, what? The Goa'uld only control one Galaxy, and they are not directly in question in this debate.

Uh, wouldn't that make them larger than the Federation by default?

No, it would not. It means they control planets over a wider range of territory, but that does not mean by default they have more. Apophis was considered a major threat and he didn't even have all that many ships. The System Lords are considered to have a fleet 100 times more then that that threatened earth when Apophis made his failed attack. That was 2 ships. 100 times more is only 200 ships.

That they have few ships is not automatic proof that they hold little territory, since up until recently (like after Teal'c's defection) their hyperdrive went little over lightspeed and they relied on the Stargates, so they could still hold more territory (though admittedly, too few ships to defend against a more experienced FTL fleet)

[Alyeska]

Uh, wouldn't that make them larger than the Federation by default?

No, it would not. It means they control planets over a wider range of territory, but that does not mean by default they have more. Apophis was considered a major threat and he didn't even have all that many ships. The System Lords are considered to have a fleet 100 times more then that that threatened earth when Apophis made his failed attack. That was 2 ships. 100 times more is only 200 ships.

That they have few ships is not automatic proof that they hold little territory, since up until recently (like after Teal'c's defection) their hyperdrive went little over lightspeed and they relied on the Stargates, so they could still hold more territory (though admittedly, too few ships to defend against a more experienced FTL fleet)

IIRC there was a world that Jack was stuck on that would take the Tolans more then 6 months to reach with a ship, and IIRC the Tokra would take longer. It would seem there are portions of the Milkyway that are far enough away that even the Goa'uld can't reach them reasonably fast.

[Imperial Federation]

No, it would not. It means they control planets over a wider range of territory, but that does not mean by default they have more. Apophis was considered a major threat and he didn't even have all that many ships. The System Lords are considered to have a fleet 100 times more then that that threatened earth when Apophis made his failed attack. That was 2 ships. 100 times more is only 200 ships.

That they have few ships is not automatic proof that they hold little territory, since up until recently (like after Teal'c's defection) their hyperdrive went little over lightspeed and they relied on the Stargates, so they could still hold more territory (though admittedly, too few ships to defend against a more experienced FTL fleet)

IIRC there was a world that Jack was stuck on that would take the Tolans more then 6 months to reach with a ship, and IIRC the Tokra would take longer. It would seem there are portions of the Milkyway that are far enough away that even the Goa'uld can't reach them reasonably fast.

Perhaps, but I assume the Goa'ulds capital ship hyperdrives are faster, but in any case, the Stargate was there which still meant instantanious travel which still gives the possiblity that they control a large portion of the galaxy, however indefensible it might be (probably another reason why the Asgard could clean their clocks)

[NecronLord]

Never mind that the Asguard, uck, would be able to annihalete the feds, their weapons are capable of Taking out normal goa'uld motherships, whose sheilds have been able to take a gigaton as a joke. One Baliskner class Asguard ship would annihalete the feds.

The Goa'uld versus the feds would be better. It should also be noted that a galaxy class ship, (enterprise) in Q who can only sustain a speed of around 40C

I would also reject Teal'cs dialogue on the speed of Goa'uld ships, as on one occasion he stated the speed of a Tel-Tac cargo ship as "Twice the speed of light" Yet later on they are shipping [eople to earth in less than a day from a nearby system, assuming that is proxima centuri, then that is Four light years per day, considerably more than twice the speed of light.
It's likely the Goa'uld see no need to educate their fight and die infantry in hyperspace mechanincs.

[kojikun]

Is it not possible for a Naquada / Naquadria bomb to do much damage? The thermonuclear weapon used in the movie, when altered to have "Naquada" booster, was said to be 100 times as powerful as that bomb alone. So if the SGC had to, they could retrofit a slew of nukes and launch them at ships. But given how vulnerable ships in Trek are, Carter could just whip up an electromagnet or two and make the entire fleet stop cold due to "sensor failures"

[SCVN 2812]

Because of their heavy use of refined naquada, the Goa'uld could easily field multi-megaton weapons. It's going around the net that they used 200 megaton weapons to bomb Earth in a parallel universe. The Goa'uld didn't seem to be all that more advanced than the Goa'uld in the normal universe so it's not unreasonable to assume that the normal universe Goa'uld have similar capabilities.

Goa'uld ships can do roughly warp 9.7 or so going by Jacob Carter's comment in Enemies about how far they were from where they started and how long it would take to get back. Newer Starfleet ships can do warp 9.99s which isn't all that much more, not enough to give either one strategical mobility advantage in space. The Asgard are definitely not a problem. The bulk of their forces are tied up in their homegalaxy fighting the Replicators, a fight they are now loosing if the most recent episode is any indication. However, I have no doubt that the Asgard ship for ship are at least comparable if not far superior to the ships fielded by the major AQ-BQ-GQ powers.

Earth can build a space worthy ship in 2 years, and produce a workable space fighter with just 3 years or so of r & d and put it into production. Earth is definitely a sleeper force, right now they aren't that dangerous, but they could become VERY dangerous VERY fast. Naquada and naquadria based weapons would have to be used sparingly as Earth has only a limited supply of either resource.

[Tychu]

Star Gate Sg-1. the Nok can cloak any SG instalation, or Tokra ships. SG teams stay on cloaked Tokra ships they get close to Federation ships use blast them out of space and since the Asgard monitor any hyperspace jumps in the Earth System they can wait for Federation ships to drop in and blow them up.

StarGate wins.

[SCVN 2812]

One Asgard ship vs a fleet of starships, bye bye little gray man. The Asgard are not that big of a factor in a strict Milky Way battle because of the Replicators. If the Goa'uld invaded Earth tomorrow, do you think the Asgard would be able to send more than a token force to oppose the Goa'uld when they are fighting for their lives in their home galaxy and just had their homeworld overrun by Replicators?

[Darth Garden Gnome]

If the Goa'uld showed up on Earth, O'Neil would hit his little button majic, have his image casted infront of the Asgard High Council, or something like that. Once they learned the Goa'uld broke the treaty, they'd hop on over and crush the pitiful fools for their insolence.

After all Anubiswas scared of when an Asgard warship threatened his pair of pyramid craft in one episode. I think that if for some reason the Federation posed a threat to the galaxy, the Asgard would hop of their hig-horse and save the day.

After all, in one episode, I beilive its Carter who says the Goa'uld guns can generate 3.5 gigatons of energy. Which is roughly equal to 80 photorps, if memory serves.

[NecronLord]

I belive you are reffering to Thor's ship versus anubis' two upgraded ships, They destroyed it and took thor prisoner.
Later anubis runs away when he has one damaged ship (sheilds disabled)against the three asgard battleships. The Asguard can in fact no longer be certain of victory in a war with the system lords.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

I was pretty sure Anubis had two pyramid ships. One was damaged, now that I remember, but I'm pretty sure the other was fine.

Also, you are corrected when Anubis kills Thors ship. Then Thors cronie returns with three Asgard ships and says something like "These warships are far superior to the one you faced earlier."

Although that may hav ebeen a bluff. Thanks for the correction Necron.

[NecronLord]

Nope there are two there to attack thor, then Anubis' ship arrives, Anubis trasports over to ship no 1, and numbers 2 and 3 leave to fight Yu. Leaving the one damaged ship.

[NecronLord]

And yes, they are O'neill class ships (yes I know the name REALLY sucks) Which are sated as the most advanced class of ship the Asgard have. The Asgard were confident of a fuly operational O'neill being able to destroy three replicator infested baliskner class.