b5 ground forces

[starfury]

http://www.agentsofgaming.com/gropos.htm

since we saw very little of b5 ground forces on the show itself, what does everybody think of the AOG b5 tanks and other ground forces, if nothing else they provide the AT-AT and Xr-85 tank droids something to shoot at like the federation buggy.

[Master of Ossus]

From the firepowers demonstrated by ships and other weapons on the series, it would merely be a target for AT-AT's to fire at. And not much of a target, at that.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Umm, canon?

[starfury]

only the valkryie VTOL is canon, the rest is offical at best, I just wanted to give b5 something to work with.

[BioDroid]

Admirable, but futile.

[Sea Skimmer]

"Target. minimal firepower" pretty much sums it up


I guess some of the tanks might take a bit more, but there going to lose against any signifcant Imperial Armor. Better then Trek though.

[DodoBrd16]

So I very rarely ever use their information.

However, they are really the only ones who have put up anything regarding EF and Minbari ground forces. Unfortuently.

In any engagment against the Empire on the ground, The EF would most likely try to achieve air superiority or atleast deny it to the Imperials. Then work over the Imperial heavy weapons, the Chicken walkers and them big ol boys with artillery. Then move in with, hopefully, superior numbers on the ground.

I dont think the Chicken walkers would be much of a problem for the EF main battle tanks, Using AOG material. However the Big ones, the four leggers(( I know they have a proper designation, I just have never been able to remember it.)), would slaughter any forward assault by EF forces. They would either try to attack its sides or its rear. Or they would pull back and keep a safe distance and allow for their artillery to try and destroy the thing. Either that or have their Jump jet attack craft to come up from behind it and straif its upper armor and maybe get a neck shot in.

However without artillery, air support and equal numbers. I would put my bet on the Imperials, HOWEVER, it would not be an easy fight at all for the Imps and they would pay for every inch they took.

[BioDroid]

Which is exactly what Stormies are for...your general purpose expendable trooper.

[Master of Ossus]

So I very rarely ever use their information.

However, they are really the only ones who have put up anything regarding EF and Minbari ground forces. Unfortuently.

In any engagment against the Empire on the ground, The EF would most likely try to achieve air superiority or atleast deny it to the Imperials. Then work over the Imperial heavy weapons, the Chicken walkers and them big ol boys with artillery. Then move in with, hopefully, superior numbers on the ground.

I dont think the Chicken walkers would be much of a problem for the EF main battle tanks, Using AOG material. However the Big ones, the four leggers(( I know they have a proper designation, I just have never been able to remember it.)), would slaughter any forward assault by EF forces. They would either try to attack its sides or its rear. Or they would pull back and keep a safe distance and allow for their artillery to try and destroy the thing. Either that or have their Jump jet attack craft to come up from behind it and straif its upper armor and maybe get a neck shot in.

However without artillery, air support and equal numbers. I would put my bet on the Imperials, HOWEVER, it would not be an easy fight at all for the Imps and they would pay for every inch they took.

Evidence of any of this? Remember that an AT-AT is more resilent to weapons fire than a Sharlin class cruiser.

[DodoBrd16]

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Evidence of any of this? Remember that an AT-AT is more resilent to weapons fire than a Sharlin class cruiser.
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Evidence of that please.

[Master of Ossus]

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Evidence of that please.

In Isard's Revenge, an X-Wing pilot comments (after they had destroyed four AT-AT walkers) that they could have taken them more easily with four proton torpedoes (one per AT-AT walker). A proton torpedo's firepower is in the 250-750 MT range. The fact that the walkers were moving in a relatively compact formation at the time indicates that each walker needed a direct, or VERY nearly direct hit with such a weapon to destroy it. That indicates an extraordinary resistance to weapons fire.

In "In the Beginning," the Black Star was utterly destroyed by two 2 MT nuclear weapons, and neither of those came anywhere near an actual hit. Both of them were some distance from the cruiser itself. This indicates that the Sharlin's ability to withstand damage is well below a laughable 4 MT's.

Do you have evidence of what the B5ers were claiming? Or were they just bullshitting me?

[DodoBrd16]

energy into a single point have reduced their effects on nearby Walkers?

OH and If I remember right, in that book, they used the lasers of the X wings to peel those big ol walkers open. And once again, if I remember right, those lasers pack a great deal less energy then one of those torps. However I could be wrong.

As for the Black star, no one knows what killed it. All we know is that what ever destroyed it, was related to the detonation of both those megaton warheads in the asteroid field.

[Master of Ossus]

energy into a single point have reduced their effects on nearby Walkers?

What the hell does that mean? It's not even a complete sentence.

In any case, the destruction of the Black Star was clearly also the expected result of Sheridan's attack. Even before he detonated the weapon, he had a pretty good idea that the Black Star would be reduced to rubble by the explosion (hence his statement, "See you in hell."). Also, note the damage that the Black Star sustained from the first explosion. Its destruction was not a fluke. The vessel took what appears to be serious damage from even the first explosion, and was utterly destroyed by the second one.

The destruction of the Black Star was COMPLETE. It represented a total structural failure of the entire ship, as demonstrated by the fragments of the vessel that could be seen immediately after the second weapon finished it off.

Finally, X-Wing laser cannons are several orders of magnitude more powerful than the weapons available in B5. Proton torpedoes are within an order of magnitude of the fusion bombs that destroyed the Shadow vessels, which in turn were the most powerful weapons seen in the series, outside of the SPK and VPK. Also, those fusion weapons were of far more limited utility than proton torpedoes, which are maneuverable, fast, and can be actively targeted. The fusion bombs were apparently too large to be mounted on any ships, except in the form of mines, or else they were too rare to be deployed. Also note that proton torpedoes detonate on contact, instead of the remotely triggered bombs in B5.

The destruction of the walkers was from sustained fire from X-Wings to areas of weakness within the walker's armor. No B5 atmospheric ship, except the SPK (if you can call it that), has anywhere near as much firepower as an X-Wing. Considering the fact that a Sharlin was utterly destroyed by a pair of fusion weapons, I find it impossible to believe that B5 ground forces could either repel AT-AT fire, or stand a serious chance of destroying a walker.

[Mr. B]

They look cool, but the AT-ATs would cut them to peices. And a stormtrooper is a better soldier than any Gropo.

[Oberleutnant]

Too bad that we don't know much about Earthforce small arms besides PPGs. Has anything been told about them in detail somewhere?

[Master of Ossus]

Too bad that we don't know much about Earthforce small arms besides PPGs. Has anything been told about them in detail somewhere?

Not really. We know that PPG's are primarily used on space stations (so that they don't cut through the hull, accidentally), and we know that they have more powerful weapons than guns, but we also saw some people in ItB using a PPG Mark X against the Minbari (actually we saw a man stand up, holding one, and it implied that he was going to use it against the Minbari). We saw that the Minbari curiously used some kind of bladed weapon in combat against the GROPOS, as opposed to their fighting pikes, and we also saw that the EA soldier was not wearing heavy body armor of any kind, or head gear. Beyond that we really don't know much about their capabilities, but it would be inconsistent to believe that they could stand up to Imperial ground forces, assuming parity of numbers.