Skynet vs. BattleTech

[RayCav of ASVS]

(I know Phil Skyhan, Rob Dalton, Doomriser, and possibly others will want to kick me in the balls for using these words, but oh well)

Rock on

[Admiral Valdemar]

Aw now that is just plain mean!

Skynet is going to have a field day!

[RayCav of ASVS]

Aw now that is just plain mean!

Skynet is going to have a field day!

And you sure have shown a copulous amount of data and evidence to prove that as well

[RayCav of ASVS]

Anyway, I recall in T2 (or T1, my memory sucks ass) a rather wicked-looking thing that looked like a super-huge terminator unit with its lower torso replaced by tracks, seeming to have a lot of firepower. In addition, those kick-ass flying things:)

[Admiral Valdemar]

Anyway, I recall in T2 (or T1, my memory sucks ass) a rather wicked-looking thing that looked like a super-huge terminator unit with its lower torso replaced by tracks, seeming to have a lot of firepower. In addition, those kick-ass flying things:)

That's a Ground HK (hunter-killer unit). Only a Mk.1 as well, the Mk.2s have two phased-plasma cannons on each arm and a polyalloy/steel armour composite mesh.

The "flying things" are Flying HKs. They are fast assault gunships, nuclear fusion powered and use IR and other passive scanners to detect prey. They can be used to support HK Bomber units (huge mutha fucking craft that look like flying insects in later version and have a large array of plasma mines and turrets).

Then there are the T-70s, T-600, T-700, T-800, T-1000, the T-Meg, T-1G, Silverfish HK mobile bomb, Centurion class HK walker, flying Mini-Hunters and those horrible rapto like things that are 3 metres tall.

[RayCav of ASVS]

[quote="Admiral ValdemarThat's a Ground HK (hunter-killer unit). Only a Mk.1 as well, the Mk.2s have two phased-plasma cannons on each arm and a polyalloy/steel armour composite mesh.

The "flying things" are Flying HKs. They are fast assault gunships, nuclear fusion powered and use IR and other passive scanners to detect prey. They can be used to support HK Bomber units (huge mutha fucking craft that look like flying insects in later version and have a large array of plasma mines and turrets).

Then there are the T-70s, T-600, T-700, T-800, T-1000, the T-Meg, T-1G, Silverfish HK mobile bomb, Centurion class HK walker, flying Mini-Hunters and those horrible rapto like things that are 3 metres tall.[/quote]

Wow. Have pics?

[Admiral Valdemar]

[quote="Admiral ValdemarThat's a Ground HK (hunter-killer unit). Only a Mk.1 as well, the Mk.2s have two phased-plasma cannons on each arm and a polyalloy/steel armour composite mesh.

The "flying things" are Flying HKs. They are fast assault gunships, nuclear fusion powered and use IR and other passive scanners to detect prey. They can be used to support HK Bomber units (huge mutha fucking craft that look like flying insects in later version and have a large array of plasma mines and turrets).

Then there are the T-70s, T-600, T-700, T-800, T-1000, the T-Meg, T-1G, Silverfish HK mobile bomb, Centurion class HK walker, flying Mini-Hunters and those horrible rapto like things that are 3 metres tall.

Wow. Have pics?[/quote]

Yes, yes I do.

[RayCav of ASVS]

[quote="Admiral ValdemarThat's a Ground HK (hunter-killer unit). Only a Mk.1 as well, the Mk.2s have two phased-plasma cannons on each arm and a polyalloy/steel armour composite mesh.

The "flying things" are Flying HKs. They are fast assault gunships, nuclear fusion powered and use IR and other passive scanners to detect prey. They can be used to support HK Bomber units (huge mutha fucking craft that look like flying insects in later version and have a large array of plasma mines and turrets).

Then there are the T-70s, T-600, T-700, T-800, T-1000, the T-Meg, T-1G, Silverfish HK mobile bomb, Centurion class HK walker, flying Mini-Hunters and those horrible rapto like things that are 3 metres tall.

Wow. Have pics?

Yes, yes I do.[/quote]

Then show me, because I want to see them:D

[Darik Sdair]

Rock on, huh? So I guess we'll put Rhonda Snord's Highlander, "Heavy Metal" against anything in the Skynet arsenal.

Well, anything but nukes. For some reason, BattleTech units are very vulnerable to nukes - it may be the electromagnetic pulses have some sort of disruptive effect on their armor (the aligned-crystal structures and similar fun stuff may be susceptable to EM disruption, possibly one reason particle cannons are disproportionately nasty for their energy draw when shooting BT units).

OK, so lets look at the HGN-732 Highlander...

Cruising Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flank Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: apx. 65 km/h
Maximum Jump Range: 90 meters, max one jump per 10 seconds

Weight (fully loaded): 90 metric tons

Weapon Systems;
1 Gauss Rifle - apx. 85 GJ of kinetic energy (120 kg slug, 37400 km/s)
6 Short Range Missile Tubes - HEAT warheads with armor penetration equal to a 11.3 GJ kinetic impact. 30 reloads for each tube.
20 Long Range Missile Tubes - HEAT warheads with armor penetration equal to a 5.6 GJ kinetic impact. 12 reloads for each tube.
2 Medium Lasers - armor penetration equal to a 28.3 GJ kinetic impact each.

Armor;
Foamed alloy with aligned-crystal structure - Center chest plate can repel kinetic impacts of up to 226.6 GJ - maximum structural tolerance is 391 GJ of kinetic energy. Other locations have similar but slightly lower energy tolerance.

Engagement envelope;
In an EW-free or light-EW environment, most weapons can reach to or beyond the horizon with exceptional accuracy. Running at "typical" (read: typical to the BT universe) EW levels, targeting and rangefinding equipment is seriously compromised, reducing effective ranges by almost 570x. Special hardened targeting computers can help with these difficulties, but even those are severly impacted.

There isn't any evidence I know of that Skynet posesses any jamming and EW gear of the sort seen on the BT battlefield, so range is almost a non-issue for the HGN.

Effective Range (Unimpaired/EW-impaired)
Gauss Cannon - 374 km / 660 m
Long Range Missile - 357 km / 630 m
Short Range Missile - 153 km / 270 m
Medium Laser - 153 km / 270 m

As for Skynet...

TERMINATOR
A phased plasma pulse-laser in
the forty watt range...

(source: T1 Script)

So, if small arms' power draws are listed in the (iso)watt range, I'm sort of doubting that they are going to be delivering the kind of energy needed to breach BattleTech armor. That said, their heaviest weapons may be able to affect BT armor, and BT armor's aligned-crystal structure tends to break down as its subjected to punishment. So, I guess if the HGN stood still and let the Skynet's heaviest tank-bots fire on it for a long, long time they might destroy it.

In actual battle, I think the BattleMech wins hands down unless Skynet goes nuclear.

[RayCav of ASVS]

I'm sorry, but my natural instinct will have to ask where did you get those figures for "EW-free" BTech preformance?

[Darik Sdair]

AeroTech, which details the aerial combat aspect of BattleTech, has the weapons figures for weapon use on the "space map" - the ranges are the same as for land weapons, except the hexes are 17km across instead of 30 meters.

Its well-established in BattleTech that electronic jamming is absurdly high during BT land battle; however, the sheer range of space combat clearly eliminates these problems - as evidenced by the fact that weapons have like 566x the effective range of their identical land version stats.... and more to the point.

In fact, the optional rules for using 'mechs in space say that the reason 'mechs can only attack targets in the same space hex as them is not because the weapons don't have the reach, but instead that since long-range targeting is futile on the battlefield, they don't have the tracking suites for engagement beyond a kilometer or two.

So, as best as I can tell, the AeroTech ranges are the "true effective range" of the weapon, while the BattleTech ranges take into account battlefield jamming that requires aiming pretty much "by eye" for most weapons.

[Dead on Arrival]

1 Gauss Rifle - apx. 85 GJ of kinetic energy (120 kg slug, 37400 km/s)

LOL! You fucking wish! Where did you get such an exaggerated speed for BT gauss rifles?

[Darik Sdair]

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1 Gauss Rifle - apx. 85 GJ of kinetic energy (120 kg slug, 37400 km/s)
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LOL! You fucking wish! Where did you get such an exaggerated speed for BT gauss rifles?

Slug = 120 kg (I'm assuming 5 kg of the 125 kg/shot is the ammo feed here)

Length of a Turn = 10 seconds

Maximum Effective Range = 22 hexes

Width of a Space Hex = 17 kilometers

now, go here - http://onlineconverters.com/kinetis.html - and plug in as follows;

Mass = 120 kg
Velocity = 37,400 (That is: ((17,000 x 22)/10))

The result is 83,925,600,000 joules

This, of course, assumes that the slug takes the whole 10-second turn to reach max effective range, whichwhen using the optional rules is completely untrue. So, all of the figures listed in my post above are basically lower limits.

[Darik Sdair]

I should say, BTW, that 37400 km/s was a typo. Its 37400 m/s - but the kinetic energy figure was correct, 83.9256 gigajoules.

[Darik Sdair]

(bumped for Straha)

[Straha]

Thanks for the bump, now for the gauss rifle calc, your using starship guns for the conversion. Now your using a battlemech, not a starship, so that does seem a bit outrageous.

[Darik Sdair]

Thanks for the bump, now for the gauss rifle calc, your using starship guns for the conversion. Now your using a battlemech, not a starship, so that does seem a bit outrageous.

I'm not using starship guns for the calculation; you're misreading my figures. I'm using the standard, 15 ton gauss cannon used on both 'mechs and fighters.

[Typhonis 1]

Trust me Stratha they fighter weapon "Gauss Rifle " and the mech weapon "guass rifle"are the same ,they have the same weight ,ammo capacity and damge produced..the scarry stufff is the naval weapons...like a NL55....where a fighter mounted GR is a 15 point damage weapon the NL%5 does 55 points

[Darik Sdair]

Trust me Stratha they fighter weapon "Gauss Rifle " and the mech weapon "guass rifle"are the same ,they have the same weight ,ammo capacity and damge produced..the scarry stufff is the naval weapons...like a NL55....where a fighter mounted GR is a 15 point damage weapon the NL%5 does 55 points

heh, yeah, there's a reason why dropships don't carry naval lasers. The mass to damage efficiency on those is pretty terrible. Naval autocannons, on the other hand...