Anakin vs. Ranma

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-04-10 12:59pm

Why not we just call the Anime on the same terms as the SW Movie novelizations: Canon unless contradicted by the movie.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-04-10 12:59pm

I mean Manga.

Dammit, why can't we have an edit button on this forum?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-04-10 03:42pm

What are we debating exactly? Cause it seems to have veered away from Anakin vs Ranma.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-10 10:31pm

LOL. You know little of this series and even less of what cannon means ?
CANNON FOR RANMA IS RUMIKO TAKAHASHI WORK. It is the manga. The Big Trouble series is anime-only, have no word of Rumiko and therefore is not cannon.

If you say that does it mean that the OAV's aren't canon too? Some of the OAV's didnt happen in the manga (Tendo Family Christmas Scramble) while some did (Cursed Tunnel of Lost Love).

The movies and OAV series can easily fit into the Ranma continuity without any problems. As we all know, weird stuff happens in Nerima everyday.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-10 11:18pm

And its not like alternate universes don't happen in the anime anyway.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-11 03:12am

Because he had only used it once before, of course he wasn't in shape for it! the fact that he didn't REMEMBER means that it is something he used to KNOW and then forgot. And as far as I remember, no referi in any of both contests ever told him he was making a fault. So he was doing it the right way, therefore he knew the style ok.

He did not dominated the style as kodachi, that was clear. He was even choose to fight there because he was very agile, that is all. And he only used that. Remember ,the referee calls is pathetic. He used p-chan to hit, they called it a new manuver. Ranma adapted but he did not cared for that style.

Dodging has proven very useful when fighting Kunou, Moose, the warrior monk from Jusenkio and any other character attacking him with weapons.

Oh, yeah, It was. I never said Dodging does not work. It does not help to fight.
And since you come with that, Kunou have been able to actually injurie Ranma with a single hit of wooden sword (and Kunou is close to pathetic, which Anakin is not, and Lightsaber hitting in the neck just kills) and He has a lot of trouble to dodge Moose actually, having to fight in the girl's form to have more speed.

He's beaten all of them while escaping from their attacks. So, dodging will actually make him win.

No, attacking made him win. He allowed himself to be hit by Kunou to give him a attack. Ranma have been put in the defensive a lot of time, even by unarmed foes like Ryouga.

Most martial arts teach you to escape from the attacks rather than stopping them, this makes the fighters last longer.

Of course, And most of Arts teach you to use a weapon to not allow foes to come closer and keep then in the defensive. Fighting against a weapon Ranma have a clear disvantage.

so? it was never said that he would dominate the light sabre in 30 minutes, it was only said that he would have 30 minutes to practice. I even remember Darth Shinji asking to give him a whole night to practice because it was too little time. I don't get why you are complaining about a point that would give your precious Anakin an edge in that fight.

False, there is people saying Ranma would defeat Anakin in the sittuaiton of both with the saber and that is ridiculous, because Ranma have no domain of art and Anakin is one of the bests. Plus there was people that suggested that Ranma could yes, domain that and even other techniques in the one night short time, which is as much ridiculous as 30 minutes.

SylasGaunt:

In case you forget the anything-goes is primarily an UNARMED STYLE.

In case you have no noted , the first thing i said was saying ANYTHING GOES have not big defenses against armed styles. Then the Martial Gym Style was used and you used to this to have weapons. Then now you say that ???

As opposed to you ignoring and twisting things?

As opposed to nothing. I did not twisted anything, and there is not excuse for someone trying to say one said something in the debate that they did not.

Dodging weapons when you don't use them is smart, and there is this little thing called 'counter-attacking'. Why you think that if Ranma actually dodges the blows thrown at him he'll lose I can't comprehend.

If you only dodge in a martial combat , you can not win.
That is simple. In a official combat, only dodging will make you lose
You can not comprehend that , it is your problem.

Uh hardly. You see people can have different reasons for doing things.

I suggest you to watch the series. They only offer him food to have him around.

Maybe the fact he accepts food from her should tell you something. If he's taking free eats from her he obviously doesn't want to avoid her too badly now does he?

Expect HE does.

And why would he risk doing that when it could quite easily anger the family he's mooching off when he can do it to Ranma?

You claimed Ranma was hunger because the fight with this father. I just told you that Ranma could easily get any food there.

If he's willing to accept food from somebody he's obviously not working too hard at avoiding them. In fact aside from her original appearance (when she still through Ranma was female) Ranma hasn't really ever made much in the way of an overt attempt to avoid Shampoo.

I see, You do not know the series. Even allowing Moose to bet him to get Them back to China he did, TO AVOID her.

Nabiki may not have a legitimate job, she does have a rather good business though.

Except, she uses it only for herself.

Then why don't you grace us with your explanation on how the Tendos keep their house?

There is not explanation. Rumiko never gave one, never bothered to gave one.

Do you actually have a point to add here? Or are you just going to ignore the fact that anakin was manipulated easily with 'mere' words?

I have not point. I would suppose you could identify the difference Between the mastermind, dark jedi, full of mental tricks Palpatine and 14 years old Shampoo...

Nevermind the fact he was actively chasing after Shampoo would seem to be contrary to the idea he was trying to avoid her now isn't it?

no, smarty, it happened after HE was tricked.

Right. Since there isn't that should tell you something about their control compared to Anakin's.

No, your answer tell me that You have no idea of what you are talking about. There reason of lack of death, firearms, etc in Ranma is Rumiko's did not wanted there. That is all. They lost control, a LOT, but they acts are , because it is a comedy, not deadly.

First of all its canon not cannon.

I am sorry because I mispelled as should you be for NOT having any idea of what the concept of Canon is.

Generator G_1

If you say that does it mean that the OAV's aren't canon too? Some of the OAV's didnt happen in the manga (Tendo Family Christmas Scramble) while some did (Cursed Tunnel of Lost Love).

Only the Manga is canon. If happens in the anime and do not happen in the manga, It is not canon. If happens in the anime different that what happen in the manga, The Manga is the correct one.
They may even do good anime that do not deny the characters in any way, which is not what happens in the Movies. For example, The Anime version and in the second movie they try to make up the Ukyou/Ryouga couple, which is not canon, do not make up with the characters and only happened because the popularity of both among the anime viewers.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-11 03:32am

lgot wrote:SylasGaunt:

In case you have no noted , the first thing i said was saying ANYTHING GOES have not big defenses against armed styles. Then the Martial Gym Style was used and you used to this to have weapons. Then now you say that ???

Uh, the kind of agility inherent in the saotome school is plenty of defense against weapons. And in case you didn't notice Ranma routinely defeats opponents with armed styles.

If you only dodge in a martial combat , you can not win.
That is simple. In a official combat, only dodging will make you lose
You can not comprehend that , it is your problem.

And what on Earth makes you think Ranma is going to do nothing but dodge or that Anakin can make him do nothing but dodge?

I suggest you to watch the series. They only offer him food to have him around.

Shampoo maybe as her only link to Ranma is her Amazon law marriage. Ukyo is trying to get in good in the fiancee front however she is also his friend.

Expect HE does.

Based on? His behavior clearly shows otherwise.

You claimed Ranma was hunger because the fight with this father. I just told you that Ranma could easily get any food there.

And at meal times he has to fight Genma for it. Kasumi doesn't just randomly cook all the time.

I see, You do not know the series.

You're certainly one to talk.

Even allowing Moose to bet him to get Them back to China he did, TO AVOID her.

But do we see him leaving town? Avoiding the Nekohanten? Leaving whenever Shampoo shows up at the Tendos? She provides an extra complication on the fiancee side of things, but wanting to solve that problem doesn't mean he's trying to avoid her.

Except, she uses it only for herself.

Then by all means explain how the Tendos have kept their home.

There is not explanation. Rumiko never gave one, never bothered to gave one.

So you choose 'magic money pixies' over Nabiki actually uses some of hte money she makes to keep the place afloat?

I have not point. I would suppose you could identify the difference Between the mastermind, dark jedi, full of mental tricks Palpatine and 14 years old Shampoo...

Uh, Palpatine was keeping a low profile. Dark Side mindtricking is a tad obvious. Nevermind the fact that mind tricks only work on the weak-willed remember, so that still proves my point regarding Anakin.

no, smarty, it happened after HE was tricked.

If he was actively trying to avoid her or get rid of her as you claim then he shouldn't have given a flying flip whether she didn't like him anymore. That would have made him happy, not making him put on a tux and dash on over to try and woo her.

No, your answer tell me that You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Are you actually going to address the point or just continue claiming I haven't watched Ranma?

There reason of lack of death, firearms, etc in Ranma is Rumiko's did not wanted there. That is all. They lost control, a LOT, but they acts are , because it is a comedy, not deadly.

Suspension of Disbelief my boy. 'The author doesn't want it' isn't a valid argument.

I am sorry because I mispelled as should you be for NOT having any idea of what the concept of Canon is.

You haven't yet provided me any sort of official statement regarding the status of the Movies as canon. Unless you can provide some manner of official statement to support your position the movies stand.

Only the Manga is canon.

I'm still waiting for the official statement from teh owners of Ranma that this is the case.

For example, The Anime version and in the second movie they try to make up the Ukyou/Ryouga couple, which is not canon,

We must have seen different movies then.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-11 03:59am

Uh, the kind of agility inherent in the saotome school is plenty of defense against weapons. And in case you didn't notice Ranma routinely defeats opponents with armed styles.

The only oponents that he routinely defeat with armed style are the Kunous and Moose. Happosai does not use it. Cologne does not use it. Ryouga use a occasional bandana. Genma does not use it. Akane does not use it. He no longer mess fight with ukyou or Shampoo, both that can use weapons.

And what on Earth makes you think Ranma is going to do nothing but dodge or that Anakin can make him do nothing but dodge?

Eh ? Ranma will have to come close and that Is very hard to do when you fight someone that is good with swords. Anakin is one of the bests.

Shampoo maybe as her only link to Ranma is her Amazon law marriage. Ukyo is trying to get in good in the fiancee front however she is also his friend.

and to get him around, for Ranma shows not care for it, she gets him by food. She even claims that.

Based on? His behavior clearly shows otherwise.

False. He complains when shampoo shows up. He complain when she hugs him. He often try to run away and lure her and every oportunity to send her back to china. HE DOES not like Shampoo proximity.

And at meal times he has to fight Genma for it. Kasumi doesn't just randomly cook all the time.

*sighs* You are dense. If ranma wanted to get food at any means because he was hungry, he could have easily get the tendo's food. No one there can match his speed. All the fight for food does not make him be without food all the time.

So you choose 'magic money pixies' over Nabiki actually uses some of hte money she makes to keep the place afloat?

For sure Nabiki's explanation is as false as pixies magic.
Nabiki blackmail every member of that house but Kasumi. And they pay her. Which means they have a source for money, which is not Nabiki, for she is not stupidy to blackmail someone to receive her own money back.
If they have other source, that means the Tendo's have another way to get money, which is Not Nabiki.
It is never showed and explained because it is not interesting.

Uh, Palpatine was keeping a low profile. Dark Side mindtricking is a tad obvious. Nevermind the fact that mind tricks only work on the weak-willed remember, so that still proves my point regarding Anakin.

proves you have no sense. HE TRICKED YODA. Oh, my god. Palpanite is the greatest trickester in the universe and you think that being manipulated by him is as easy as by Shampoo or Cologne. Oh, yeah.

If he was actively trying to avoid her or get rid of her as you claim then he shouldn't have given a flying flip whether she didn't like him anymore. That would have made him happy, not making him put on a tux and dash on over to try and woo her.

What part of BEING MANIPULATED BY COLOGNE you did not understood ?

Suspension of Disbelief my boy. 'The author doesn't want it' isn't a valid argument.

No, I know you watched ranma. But you do not understood it.
Suspension of Disbelief is to believe in what happens in the series because the EXACTLY the author wanted to happen in unreal way.

You haven't yet provided me any sort of official statement regarding the status of the Movies as canon. Unless you can provide some manner of official statement to support your position the movies stand.

LOL. CANON is only what is wrote by Rumiko Takahashi. Just like Only what George Lucas wrote about Star Wars is canon. I will spare myself of the trouble of fiding links of the movie where you can see She did not wrote that anime.

We must have seen different movies then.

yeah, I say Ranma, I saw then putting Ryouga to rescue Ukyou and making her acting girly waiting for a knight rescue. All of that is OUT OF CHARACTER.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-11 06:24am

[quote="lgot]

yeah, I say Ranma, I saw then putting Ryouga to rescue Ukyou and making her acting girly waiting for a knight rescue. All of that is OUT OF CHARACTER.[/quote]

What makes that out of character? Ryoga entered the wrong room...since Ukyou doesn't have any weapons, she asks Ryoga for help? Ryoga initially refuses but fights when the monkeyman uses the Shadow Fall technique which makes Ryoga depressed and fuels the Shi-shi houkoudan. Ryoga collapses for exertion and Ukyou helps him.

You're just getting the Ukyou x Ryouga impression from Ukyou's expression at the end of the sequence. It could just be that Ukyou's feeling sorry for Ryoga for using up all his energy and not love.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-11 06:28am

SAMAS wrote:Why not we just call the Anime on the same terms as the SW Movie novelizations: Canon unless contradicted by the manga.

They (the movies) arent.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-11 01:07pm

lgot wrote: The only oponents that he routinely defeat with armed style are the Kunous and Moose. Happosai does not use it. Cologne does not use it. Ryouga use a occasional bandana. Genma does not use it. Akane does not use it. He no longer mess fight with ukyou or Shampoo, both that can use weapons.

And when they did he defeated them both. Also Toma and Kirin both used weapons and both lost. Most of the seven lucky gods did as well, and Saffron was fond enough of tossing about the fireballs he could almost be considered to not use a hand-to-hand style.

Eh ? Ranma will have to come close and that Is very hard to do when you fight someone that is good with swords. Anakin is one of the bests.

There is a such thing as recovery time from a swing you know. And Ranma is one of the best Hand to Hand fighters on Earth.

and to get him around, for Ranma shows not care for it, she gets him by food. She even claims that.

And he accepts so he obviously doesn't mind her too much if he's willing to accept food from her.

False. He complains when shampoo shows up. He complain when she hugs him. He often try to run away and lure her and every oportunity to send her back to china. HE DOES not like Shampoo proximity.

Might that have less to do with him not liking her and more to do with the fact that Akane is typically there with him.. and we both know how she usually reacts.

*sighs* You are dense. If ranma wanted to get food at any means because he was hungry, he could have easily get the tendo's food.

Ah yes stealing food from girls and how often has he shown himself to be prone to this sort of behavior? Again steeling from the people who are putting up with your appetite, and all the damage you do to their house is singulalry stupid.

For sure Nabiki's explanation is as false as pixies magic.
Nabiki blackmail every member of that house but Kasumi. And they pay her. Which means they have a source for money, which is not Nabiki, for she is not stupidy to blackmail someone to receive her own money back.
If they have other source, that means the Tendo's have another way to get money, which is Not Nabiki.

Translation: Common sense should be ignored when it suits me.

I've as yet to see you provide any proof that the Tendos get their money from elsewhere that can't be explained away.

proves you have no sense. HE TRICKED YODA. Oh, my god. Palpanite is the greatest trickester in the universe and you think that being manipulated by him is as easy as by Shampoo or Cologne. Oh, yeah.

He tricked Yoda by hiding his force powers. Anakin was still manipulated by words alone (and it was a relatively simple manipulation to).

What part of BEING MANIPULATED BY COLOGNE you did not understood ?

And what part of 'if he didn't like her at all he wouldn't have chased after her' don't you understand? All cologne did was slap the reversal jewel on Shampoo at convenient times and then tell Ranma how he could win her affections back.. which what do you know he went to try and do.

No, I know you watched ranma. But you do not understood it.
Suspension of Disbelief is to believe in what happens in the series because the EXACTLY the author wanted to happen in unreal way.

Treating the series as if it were real events. Which if we do shows that none of the recurring cast has ever gone on a homicidal rampage killing left and right.

LOL. CANON is only what is wrote by Rumiko Takahashi. Just like Only what George Lucas wrote about Star Wars is canon. I will spare myself of the trouble of fiding links of the movie where you can see She did not wrote that anime.

I hate to tell you this bucko but all those Star Wars books etc. are considered Canon unless they're directly contradicted by the movies. The movies are a liscenced production and thus I repeat. Either provide a quote saying the movies are non-canon from either Takahashi or the owning company saying they aren't canon. If you do not provide such a quote I will of course accept your concession.

yeah, I say Ranma, I saw then putting Ryouga to rescue Ukyou and making her acting girly waiting for a knight rescue. All of that is OUT OF CHARACTER.

Uhm, you do recall that Ukyo had been stripped of her weapons right? And that IIRC she only got Ryouga to stay by offering to help him find Akane.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-11 01:09pm

lgot wrote:
Because he had only used it once before, of course he wasn't in shape for it! the fact that he didn't REMEMBER means that it is something he used to KNOW and then forgot. And as far as I remember, no referi in any of both contests ever told him he was making a fault. So he was doing it the right way, therefore he knew the style ok.
He did not dominated the style as kodachi, that was clear. He was even choose to fight there because he was very agile, that is all. And he only used that. Remember ,the referee calls is pathetic. He used p-chan to hit, they called it a new manuver. Ranma adapted but he did not cared for that style.

Ranma cares for learning every style he can, even that silly Tea Ceremony Style, remember? Even if referee are pathetic, the fact is that they never said anything about him disobeying the rules, therefore he was doing it the right way. And you just said it! he adapted to the style.

lgot wrote:
Dodging has proven very useful when fighting Kunou, Moose, the warrior monk from Jusenkio and any other character attacking him with weapons.
Oh, yeah, It was. I never said Dodging does not work. It does not help to fight.
And since you come with that, Kunou have been able to actually injurie Ranma with a single hit of wooden sword (and Kunou is close to pathetic, which Anakin is not, and Lightsaber hitting in the neck just kills) and He has a lot of trouble to dodge Moose actually, having to fight in the girl's form to have more speed.

Yes, it helps fighting, I don't know how many times I have to explain you why. It makes you last longer cause you don't get hit at all. You apear to think that fighting is all about the attack, but I got a news flash for you: it is also about the defense and dodging is one of the best defenses there are cause you don't get hit. Kunou and Moose are pathetic guys with dead fish personality, but they move a hell lot faster than Anakin, we do know this because their attacks are beyond sight, Anakin's arent.

lgot wrote:
He's beaten all of them while escaping from their attacks. So, dodging will actually make him win.
No, attacking made him win. He allowed himself to be hit by Kunou to give him a attack. Ranma have been put in the defensive a lot of time, even by unarmed foes like Ryouga.

so? he's shown lots of different attack strategies, the fact that he used that one with Kunou doesn't mean that it is the only thing he can do. If he tought that it would help him win to get hit with a wooden stick then he'll do it, but it doesn't mean that he'll try it with a light sabre. And you said it yourself: HE ALLOWED HIMSELF TO GET HIT.

lgot wrote:
Most martial arts teach you to escape from the attacks rather than stopping them, this makes the fighters last longer.
Of course, And most of Arts teach you to use a weapon to not allow foes to come closer and keep then in the defensive. Fighting against a weapon Ranma have a clear disvantage.

Not really, most martial arts teach you to fight barehanded unless theyr'e very speciallized. You should stop watching Jackie Chan movies and learn a little about the real thing.

lgot wrote:
so? it was never said that he would dominate the light sabre in 30 minutes, it was only said that he would have 30 minutes to practice. I even remember Darth Shinji asking to give him a whole night to practice because it was too little time. I don't get why you are complaining about a point that would give your precious Anakin an edge in that fight.
False, there is people saying Ranma would defeat Anakin in the sittuaiton of both with the saber and that is ridiculous, because Ranma have no domain of art and Anakin is one of the bests. Plus there was people that suggested that Ranma could yes, domain that and even other techniques in the one night short time, which is as much ridiculous as 30 minutes.

It was sugested by some of the debaters, not by Consequences, the guy who created the topic and stated the rules.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-04-11 02:55pm

Tendo Family Finances:
It's not Nabiki. She is way too selfish and greedy. The source of the Tendo's income is simply not stated.

Ranma and Shampoo:
The matter of the Contrary Jewel stemmed from Ranma's pride and ego. For Shampoo, a girl who doesn't let little things like walls keep her from hugging Ranma, to suddenly act rediculously cold and mean to him for no apparent reason got him riled up. Cologne knew this, and took advantage of it.

Ranma 1/2 Canon:
The anime is definitely lower than the manga in terms of canon. Characters are often traded around, replaced, added, or removed in the anime(Like Sasuke, for instance). And one of the things added in the anime is the hints of Ryouga/Ukyo and/or Mousse/Shampoo pairings. Akane also has less of a hair-trigger temper in the manga.

Battle of Wills:
Weak spots or no, you cannot call a person who can channel their own confidence into a house-sized energy blast very weak-willed.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-11 09:06pm

Thread author here with despotic unilateral decisions
Anime has the same canonicity for this argument as SW EU material
Movies and OAVs happened, cope
Nabiki provides cash until proven otherwise
Ranma is strong-willed, duh, otherwise it would be slaughter of the innocent, and I don't do that without specific reason/animosity.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-04-11 10:48pm

Uhm, what makes you think Anakin is one of the best swordsmen around? This is the bright guy who takes a high attack position when he's about to come under fire from several hundred battle droids, leaving himself WIDE open. Notice he also loses control of himself when fighting, and gets sloppy.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-12 12:59am

Samas:

Since you resumed everything about Canon, Cologne Manipulation and the Income I will not touch about the subject.

There is a such thing as recovery time from a swing you know. And Ranma is one of the best Hand to Hand fighters on Earth.

This is a overall response about the Sword vs Barehanded topic.
Anakin is for sure extremelly skilled swordsman (he got compliments in such manner in the last movie).
Second, the use or not of sword is a matter of style not to do with Jackie chan. And Sword adds difficult to those who face a aimed adversary when you are not.
Not only the cutting edge but also the range and treat area that a sword projects, making harder for you to come closer. A good swordman uses this area and to expect Anakin to make silly mistake and do a opening to ranma is about to expect ranma to miss a dodge. The fair is to expect to not count with silly mistakes, only with their skills. For this, Ranma will have a hard time to get close to hit Anakin and everytime he does that, he will have to dodge the very possible hit by a lightsaber, since it will end the fight. With Anakin powers to predect the outcoming of a battle, letting Ranma without options to be offensive will mean a victory to Anakin. That is why. I do not ignore the dodge , but you people forget that he have to attack to defeat anakin.

Treating the series as if it were real events. Which if we do shows that none of the recurring cast has ever gone on a homicidal rampage killing left and right.

No, To accept things like the absence of firearms or deadly injuries or death even when the characters want to kill each other. That is why we use the Suspension.

Uhm, you do recall that Ukyo had been stripped of her weapons right? And that IIRC she only got Ryouga to stay by offering to help him find Akane.

She is Out of Character. Acting girly and expecting rescue is not her. She could fight even without weapons and they only put Ryouga to rescue her because the anime deals with that couple.

Ranma cares for learning every style he can, even that silly Tea Ceremony Style, remember?

He actually barelly learn how to move with that style. And there is a list of styles he never bothered to learn (Moose multi-weapons, Ukyou's spatulas, Shampoo's memory´s stealing, etc)

It was sugested by some of the debaters, not by Consequences, the guy who created the topic and stated the rules.

I never said it was suggested by him, but even so, the 30 minutes he added show that he thinks that would make difference.

Battle of Wills:
Weak spots or no, you cannot call a person who can channel their own confidence into a house-sized energy blast very weak-willed.

I said he can be easily manipulated, which he can. That is a weakness that can be used by anyone, much more by a jedi.

Thread author here with despotic unilateral decisions
Anime has the same canonicity for this argument as SW EU material
Movies and OAVs happened, cope

Then this topic goes to ridiculous. Everyplace there is a need for definition of which version is accepted, we can have two different universes. And everyone know the Canon for Ranma is the Manga.

Nabiki provides cash until proven otherwise

Gods exist until proven otherwise ?
This is ridiculous. What about when Soun's wife died she left him with money enough to provide the income ?
Actually i proved she does not that: The other members of that family pay her blackmail, which shows there is another source of income.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-12 01:46am

lgot wrote: This is a overall response about the Sword vs Barehanded topic.
Anakin is for sure extremelly skilled swordsman (he got compliments in such manner in the last movie).

Really? The one I remember involved mentioning that he didn't spend enough time on his swordsmanship.

Second, the use or not of sword is a matter of style not to do with Jackie chan. And Sword adds difficult to those who face a aimed adversary when you are not.

Not only the cutting edge but also the range and treat area that a sword projects, making harder for you to come closer. A good swordman uses this area and to expect Anakin to make silly mistake and do a opening to ranma is about to expect ranma to miss a dodge.

Except we've seen Anakin leave himself open a couple of times. Lets not even get into how long he stood there and let Count Dooku cut his arm off.

The fair is to expect to not count with silly mistakes, only with their skills. For this, Ranma will have a hard time to get close to hit Anakin and everytime he does that, he will have to dodge the very possible hit by a lightsaber, since it will end the fight.

Again, Ranma has gotten in close on fighters who've shown considerable skill (I certainly don't recall the air pressure from a Jedi swinging a blade shattering a stone statue anywhere).

With Anakin powers to predect the outcoming of a battle, letting Ranma without options to be offensive will mean a victory to Anakin.

Anakin cannot predict the outcome of the battle. He can predict a split-second or so in advance, which means nill if he can't move fast enough to keep up.

That is why. I do not ignore the dodge , but you people forget that he have to attack to defeat anakin.

That or dodge around until he collapses from exhaustion.

No, To accept things like the absence of firearms

Firearms are rather hard to obtain in Japan bucko.

or deadly injuries or death even when the characters want to kill each other.

Oh so that's why Akane almost died in the fight with Saffron.

She is Out of Character. Acting girly and expecting rescue is not her.

Except you forget she's an armed fighter primarily.. and at the time she had NO weapons whatsoever against an opponent rather beyond her level.

He actually barelly learn how to move with that style.

And there is a list of styles he never bothered to learn (Moose multi-weapons, Ukyou's spatulas, Shampoo's memory´s stealing, etc)

Lets see..

1.) He doesn't use weapons
2.) He never saw Shampoo's memory erasure technique, and he'd need the specialized shampoos to use it anyway so how do you expect him to learn it?

He learned the Tea Ceremony because of a challenge that required it, same as when he learned Martial Arts Rythmic Gymnastics.

As for the rest of your post, the thread author makes the rules. He has laid them down, deal with it.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-12 02:22am

Really? The one I remember involved mentioning that he didn't spend enough time on his swordsmanship

Oh, man. What are you ? Anakin is older than Ranma.

Except we've seen Anakin leave himself open a couple of times. Lets not even get into how long he stood there and let Count Dooku cut his arm off.

Have you ?
Dooku is exactly a superior fighter in the same style and used the sword better.
and i will not even count that Ranma was defeated and could not dodge from Akane to Saffron and Happosai also. So that is no handcap.

Again, Ranma has gotten in close on fighters who've shown considerable skill (I certainly don't recall the air pressure from a Jedi swinging a blade shattering a stone statue anywhere).

No one of them armed.

Anakin cannot predict the outcome of the battle. He can predict a split-second or so in advance, which means nill if he can't move fast enough to keep up.

Ah, a second that is coming, oh i see.

That or dodge around until he collapses from exhaustion.

LOL. That ? that ?

Firearms are rather hard to obtain in Japan bucko.

Oh, my god, how stupidy.
THey are able to punch by walls and FIREARMS ARE hard to obtain ?
Wait, Kunou is rich and firearms is hard to obtain.
Kodachi plays with illegal stuff, Happosai steal houses, and FIREARMS ARE HARD TO OBTAIN ?
There is no firearms because RT was making a lighty comedy your morom.

Oh so that's why Akane almost died in the fight with Saffron.

Oh, yes, ALMOST died. Dont that say something when you are talking about a guy as good as saffron ?

Except you forget she's an armed fighter primarily.. and at the time she had NO weapons whatsoever against an opponent rather beyond her level.

Except that early in the series ,She fought against stronger oponents and even without her weapons, because Ukyou would NEVER let a guy put her in that submisse sittuation.

Lets see..

1.) He doesn't use weapons

Which shows he does not learned every technique. Does not matter the reason.

2.) He never saw Shampoo's memory erasure technique, and he'd need the specialized shampoos to use it anyway so how do you expect him to learn it?

He knew the technique, got a description of it and the cure for it and HE did not cared to learn.

As for the rest of your post, the thread author makes the rules. He has laid them down, deal with it.

And that does not stop me to say that rules make no sense and tell why. Deal with it. [/quote]

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-04-12 03:14am

lgot, Ranma can punch several hundred times in the time it takes a normal person to throw one punch. Explain how Anakin is going to use his sword to block all of those shots. He is certainly NOT hundreds of times faster than human speed on a reflex level.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-12 03:30am

If Ranma gets close enough to hit Anakin, Anakin is gone.
Just he hit, as special technique that fast, He does not move with that speed. Then Anakin can still control his charges to avoid contact and attack him when he comes close.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-04-12 03:32am

lgot wrote:If Ranma gets close enough to hit Anakin, Anakin is gone.
Just he hit, as special technique that fast, He does not move with that speed. Then Anakin can still control his charges to avoid contact and attack him when he comes close.

Are you implying that Anakin can dodge at super speed? I'm honestly asking, since I can't really understand what you posted.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-12 03:35am

No, the Range of a saber is bigger than Ranma's fists. Therefore Anakin can hit Ranma before Ranma hit Anakin. To get inside that range, Ranma does not have the "hundred times" speed that he have to apply the punching. Then It still possible to Anakin hold the position and use the weapons as advantage.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-12 10:43am

lgot wrote:No, the Range of a saber is bigger than Ranma's fists. Therefore Anakin can hit Ranma before Ranma hit Anakin. To get inside that range, Ranma does not have the "hundred times" speed that he have to apply the punching. Then It still possible to Anakin hold the position and use the weapons as advantage.

Even before the rosting chesnuts techinque Ranma's speed was inn the mili-secound range and he has shown that just doesn't only apply to punching. Anakin is going to be disarmed before his precog can get though telling him "you are in for a world of hurt."

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-04-12 11:04am

As for the weapons:

Anakin has an energy sword.

Ranma effectively is an energy cannon. And has shown uncanny accuracy(can put a pencil through the hole in a coin while moving), as well as they ability to fire two blasts at once.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-04-12 12:14pm

lgot wrote:No, the Range of a saber is bigger than Ranma's fists. Therefore Anakin can hit Ranma before Ranma hit Anakin. To get inside that range, Ranma does not have the "hundred times" speed that he have to apply the punching. Then It still possible to Anakin hold the position and use the weapons as advantage.

No, Ranma DOES have the speed. He does the whole Anime "Guy charges with sword to swing and attack only to see opponent is somewhere else, in this case standing in front of his face." This is against Kuno in Book 1. Even then he has the "Get within your opponen't guard before other trained humans (namely Akane) can even blink." Anakin doesn't have a chance.