Diference...

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2002-10-09 09:34am

His there any diference between the SW humans and the ST Humans?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-09 10:29am

Hmm one is smarter than the other?

Otherwise no though special abilites in humans(Force) are more common place than in ST

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2002-10-09 10:53am

Hmm one is smarter than the other?

So true

No smaller genetic diferencies like strenght, lifespan, etc?
I'm just curious

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-09 10:58am

Star Wars humans tend to live a fair bit longer. That's just because Star Wars has superior medical tech though.

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2002-10-09 11:12am

Stormbringer wrote:Star Wars humans tend to live a fair bit longer. That's just because Star Wars has superior medical tech though.

How longer? And i thought that in medical tech trek was better?[/url]

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-09 11:17am

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Star Wars humans tend to live a fair bit longer. That's just because Star Wars has superior medical tech though.
How longer? And i thought that in medical tech trek was better?[/url]

I don't remember the exact number but they live to something like 150 pretty regularly and in good physical shape too. It's in Truce at Bakura and I haven't read in years. Other members have brought it up fairly regularly.

And to the second question, only in specific areas. Treks med tech is on display more but Star Wars has overall better med tech.

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2002-10-09 11:31am

150 regularly?

that's quite a long life. what is the max they can live?
And is there any thread with discusion about med tech of sw here?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-09 11:47am

Darth Phoenix wrote:150 regularly?
that's quite a long life. what is the max they can live?
And is there any thread with discusion about med tech of sw here?

If they're immoral enough, they could live for ever with cloning tech and organ transplants.

Try the search funcction.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-09 05:55pm

Darth Phoenix wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Star Wars humans tend to live a fair bit longer. That's just because Star Wars has superior medical tech though.
How longer? And i thought that in medical tech trek was better?[/url]

Example: Pellaeon is at least 90 years old (IIRC). He's still alive and in active service of the Imperial Navy during the NJO series. And he joined waaaay back during the Clone Wars.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-10 04:32pm

Earth years or Coruscant years?

Just wondering, I think Coruscant years might be a bit longer. Doesn't mean that the books give times in Coruscant average years, but it would make sense (I think a day is 24 hours like Earth, a year is 368 days... the difference is nearly meaningless, though)

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-10 04:47pm

I didn't know about the lifespan thing, but it makes sense. Boba is around 50 at the time of ROTJ, Palpy is pushing 100, and Vader is about 60...

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-10 04:49pm

Well in Truce at Bakura a 148 year old woman led a planet wide revolution!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-10 05:19pm

The Extremely Rich Patriach of the Zalton Bacta Corp was quote *well over 200 when he died

But then this is somone who could buy an ISD(Think Bill gates but slighty richer)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-10 07:08pm

If we take in all evidence(That is, the hated X-Wing: Rogue Squadron books and other sources more jiving with canon), SW humans have vast tolerances for G-Forces. In Rogue Squadron, it's claimed X-wing pilots normally crank the interial dampening to 98%.. So that 2% is still there. Given that fighter G-forces are at 5000G's at the beginning of the Clone Wars(AOTC ICS), and seem to grow, this leads to G tolerances that are far above anything earth's humans have.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-10 07:57pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Earth years or Coruscant years?

Just wondering, I think Coruscant years might be a bit longer. Doesn't mean that the books give times in Coruscant average years, but it would make sense (I think a day is 24 hours like Earth, a year is 368 days... the difference is nearly meaningless, though)

From Curtis Saxton's site:

The galactic standard second appears to be identical to the metric second. Higher units of time are reckoned according to the clock and calendar of Coruscant. A standard minute consists of 60 seconds; an hour consists of 60 minutes; a day consists of 24 hours. A standard week consists of 5 days; a month consists of seven weeks. A standard year is 368 days, including ten months, three fete weeks and three other holidays.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-10 08:02pm

SirNitram wrote:If we take in all evidence(That is, the hated X-Wing: Rogue Squadron books and other sources more jiving with canon), SW humans have vast tolerances for G-Forces. In Rogue Squadron, it's claimed X-wing pilots normally crank the interial dampening to 98%.. So that 2% is still there. Given that fighter G-forces are at 5000G's at the beginning of the Clone Wars(AOTC ICS), and seem to grow, this leads to G tolerances that are far above anything earth's humans have.

Clone War baseline

02 x 5000 = 100g's

Assuming only a 1000 g increase thats

.02 x 6000 = 120g's

The highest gee force a human being has ever been subjected to is roughly 45 g's in Air Force test. Event the best combat pilots can only take 10g's or so before they black out. And that's with flight suits designed to prevent black or red out.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-10 08:14pm

Uh, Wedge is considered old and he isn't even 55. Han was old enough that in a duel with Fett he felt his knees giving.

I don't think that 150 years is exactly a common thing to live to.

FYI Picard is 74 years old as of ST:X

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-10 08:16pm

SirNitram wrote:If we take in all evidence(That is, the hated X-Wing: Rogue Squadron books and other sources more jiving with canon), SW humans have vast tolerances for G-Forces. In Rogue Squadron, it's claimed X-wing pilots normally crank the interial dampening to 98%.. So that 2% is still there. Given that fighter G-forces are at 5000G's at the beginning of the Clone Wars(AOTC ICS), and seem to grow, this leads to G tolerances that are far above anything earth's humans have.

Lets just say that IF they could survive that, then being thrown backwards at in credibly high speed (as in surving the main gun of an Abrams battle tank thanks to some sort of armor you are wearing) wouldn't even hurt.

Some how I think that they have the settings dialed down when they are moving at those high Gs.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-10 08:19pm

Alyeska wrote: Lets just say that IF they could survive that, then being thrown backwards at in credibly high speed (as in surving the main gun of an Abrams battle tank thanks to some sort of armor you are wearing) wouldn't even hurt.

Some how I think that they have the settings dialed down when they are moving at those high Gs.

WTF are you talking about? It would seriously hurt, even if you could survive being hit with 100G's. And being thrown backwards by an Abrams main gun would do a hell of a lot more than 100G's.

BTW, I believe it was in Vector Prime that they describe some of the problems with dialing back inertial compensators, and conclude with a system that maxes out after "only" five G's, then stops everything after that.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-10 08:22pm

Alyeska wrote:Lets just say that IF they could survive that, then being thrown backwards at in credibly high speed (as in surving the main gun of an Abrams battle tank thanks to some sort of armor you are wearing) wouldn't even hurt.

Some how I think that they have the settings dialed down when they are moving at those high Gs.

I should also point out that this is a flawed argument, regardless of its validity. Essentially it is trying to refute an argument by pointing to the implications of that argument. This is essentially a DarkStar-esque debating tactic. Remember how DarkStar tried to refute DS firepower claims by simply stating that that is too much energy (as it would be so much greater than solar energy)? This is essentially the same kind of argument. If it is observed, then it is observed. There are really no two-ways about it. In this case, Alyeska's argument is probably correct, but the premise behind his rebuttal is flawed.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-10 08:41pm

Alyeska wrote:Uh, Wedge is considered old and he isn't even 55. Han was old enough that in a duel with Fett he felt his knees giving.

I don't think that 150 years is exactly a common thing to live to.

Wedge is considered old for a fighter pilot. And by eighteen year old old punk kids that ought to know better than to mock the best fighter pilot ever.

And Han was in an duel. I'd be a bit weak in the knees too.

It's common enough in places with good health care. Just refernce Truce at Bakura.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-10 08:50pm

Alyeska wrote:
SirNitram wrote:If we take in all evidence(That is, the hated X-Wing: Rogue Squadron books and other sources more jiving with canon), SW humans have vast tolerances for G-Forces. In Rogue Squadron, it's claimed X-wing pilots normally crank the interial dampening to 98%.. So that 2% is still there. Given that fighter G-forces are at 5000G's at the beginning of the Clone Wars(AOTC ICS), and seem to grow, this leads to G tolerances that are far above anything earth's humans have.
Lets just say that IF they could survive that, then being thrown backwards at in credibly high speed (as in surving the main gun of an Abrams battle tank thanks to some sort of armor you are wearing) wouldn't even hurt.

Some how I think that they have the settings dialed down when they are moving at those high Gs.

I merely report what is stated in continuity.. That fighters from the clone wars(Not even counting possible refinements by the X-wing) hit 5000G's. That intertial dampning is dialed down to 2%, where a pilot would be undergoing 120G's on hard acceleration. If you have proof against either, I'd love to see it.

PS: Being thrown around an Abrams is more than just G's of acceleration. Think pointy metal bits.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-10-10 09:27pm

Questions:
1. 98% of what? 98% of the total G load? 98% of rated maximum?
2. How long are you holding those G's. The human body can easily withstand 100 g if its of exceptionally short duration. The human record is 83 g, and chimps have gone up over 200 g. Duration is VERY important.
3. What other technological assistance do you have? The upper limit for G force (sustained duration) keeps increasing with better technology.
4. Are jedi special at handling G forces?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-10 09:53pm

tharkûn wrote:Questions:
1. 98% of what? 98% of the total G load? 98% of rated maximum?
2. How long are you holding those G's. The human body can easily withstand 100 g if its of exceptionally short duration. The human record is 83 g, and chimps have gone up over 200 g. Duration is VERY important.
3. What other technological assistance do you have? The upper limit for G force (sustained duration) keeps increasing with better technology.
4. Are jedi special at handling G forces?

1. All G-forces experienced by the Fighter. Forward, backward, side to side...

2. Entire combat engagements, if we're to believe the sources. Which I see no reason not to. Up to 20 minutes, IIRC.

3. None mentioned. If you wish to claim more assistance in buffering the G's, provide evidence for it.

4. Wedge is not a Jedi.

If I wanted to be cruel, I'd point out this setting was referred to as 'Just enough to let them feel the movements', indicating that is' not only well within their tolerance, but rather low.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-10-10 10:44pm

1. All G-forces experienced by the Fighter. Forward, backward, side to side...
Do you have the direct quote for this?

2. Entire combat engagements, if we're to believe the sources. Which I see no reason not to. Up to 20 minutes, IIRC.

I see and what relative speeds/distances do these engagements occur at (here's a hint are they able to visually identify their targets?).

3. None mentioned. If you wish to claim more assistance in buffering the G's, provide evidence for it.

'Just enough to let them feel the movements'
If that is the case then they are NOT experiencing 100 g's. That amount of force will snap your head, your arms, etc. Unless they have exceptionally high momentums they are going to have trouble just moving their head. F=ma