Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem trailer

[The Spartan]

Dont think either of the Predator movies had tag lines like AVP 1. The movie trailers had more than a few of the standard cliche nonsense but nothing that comes directly to mind.

It is fairly retarded to assume the actions of hunters is a reflection of the entire species. They hunt for sport and indulge in a modicum of challenging themselves by engaging targets who can present a threat.
That just means they can be sporting in their kills. Dosent mean when the shit hits the fan they will be honourable or have the same level of discipline.

Hence, its not that shocking to find them killing unarmed opponents without much cause. Although in this case its a mute point. The people being taken out here are running around a warzone presumably after being told to leave.
Additionally, they have the army running around preparing to bomb the area and civilians carrying weapons. These civilians happen to be completely unprepared for what they are getting into and are basically walking food for the Xenomorphs.

In that kind of situation I think the Predator can be excused from bullshitting around when hes on the clock trying survive and clean up the mess the Xenos are making.

It occurs to me that he may be killing everything he sees because they're xenos, they're infected by xenos or maybe he just doesn't want them getting in the way.

As to the armor. Well, it's possible that as an elite he forgoes the use of armor in an effort to increase mobility, stamina, etc. After all, do Navy SEALs wear flak vests? Every shot of them I've ever seen they don't wear body armor, while mainline troops do. Take from that what you will. Or maybe he didn't have time to drop by the armory to go above his standard kit or to pick up a new set to replace a damaged set.

[neoolong]

I believe in the MTV interview, if not I think I can still dig it up, that mentions that Wolf has his own "cleaning kit." In other words, he comes prepared with his own gear. So it would seem that armor, or lack thereof, is his own preference.

Though apparently he picks up a dead predator's cannon to use. So, we'll see.

[Singular Intellect]

I hope they explain why the predator in the trailer kills that unarmed girl. We have three movies establishing that Predators just don't kill unarmed humans, and seem to take even more precautions against children and women.

If he missed, she was infected, or had become a threat in some way, fine. I'm just more likely to suspect they'll end up not even bothering with any explanation other than "Predators are bad, *I'm a smarmy asshole*."

She was carrying a pistol in her right hand, you can see it.

[PREDATOR490]

Looked like they were running into a hive which would make them terminally retarded even without the Predator plastering her to the wall. If this is after the point where humans have apparantly picked up Predator weapons then cant fault the Predator for taking the initative.

Even if she WAS unarmed, the Predator is most likely the only guy there with the weaponary and training to effecitvely take Xenos on compared to most of the humans you will get so realistically you cant fault him for not messing around when doing the job.

[Baal]

Dont think either of the Predator movies had tag lines like AVP 1. The movie trailers had more than a few of the standard cliche nonsense but nothing that comes directly to mind.

It is fairly retarded to assume the actions of hunters is a reflection of the entire species. They hunt for sport and indulge in a modicum of challenging themselves by engaging targets who can present a threat.
That just means they can be sporting in their kills. Dosent mean when the shit hits the fan they will be honourable or have the same level of discipline.

Hence, its not that shocking to find them killing unarmed opponents without much cause. Although in this case its a mute point. The people being taken out here are running around a warzone presumably after being told to leave.
Additionally, they have the army running around preparing to bomb the area and civilians carrying weapons. These civilians happen to be completely unprepared for what they are getting into and are basically walking food for the Xenomorphs.

In that kind of situation I think the Predator can be excused from bullshitting around when hes on the clock trying survive and clean up the mess the Xenos are making.

It occurs to me that he may be killing everything he sees because they're xenos, they're infected by xenos or maybe he just doesn't want them getting in the way.

As to the armor. Well, it's possible that as an elite he forgoes the use of armor in an effort to increase mobility, stamina, etc. After all, do Navy SEALs wear flak vests? Every shot of them I've ever seen they don't wear body armor, while mainline troops do. Take from that what you will. Or maybe he didn't have time to drop by the armory to go above his standard kit or to pick up a new set to replace a damaged set.

Doesnt really hold water. The best of the best in the US Army is Delta Force. When they go into combat they most certainly wear body armor. In fact the body armor that they wear is heavier and bulkier than the army regular troops and even Army Rangers wear.

[Peptuck]

Looked like they were running into a hive which would make them terminally retarded even without the Predator plastering her to the wall. If this is after the point where humans have apparantly picked up Predator weapons then cant fault the Predator for taking the initative.

Even if she WAS unarmed, the Predator is most likely the only guy there with the weaponary and training to effecitvely take Xenos on compared to most of the humans you will get so realistically you cant fault him for not messing around when doing the job.

There's also the likeliehood that the Predator was simply in a "shoot first, check for weapons later" mood; he's not there to hunt, he's there to kill, and I wouldn't be surprised if Wolf is walking around with a "if it moves, kill it, as its probably armed or dangerous" mindset.

[PeZook]

Doesnt really hold water. The best of the best in the US Army is Delta Force. When they go into combat they most certainly wear body armor. In fact the body armor that they wear is heavier and bulkier than the army regular troops and even Army Rangers wear.

That's simplistic thinking, otherwise known as complete bullshit. All soldiers, everywhere, select their kit based on the mission at hand, and sometimes their personal preference. There's no clear progression like you seem to be implying (What is it, a computer game? Army grunt takes one shot to kill, a Ranger takes two, while a Delta Force guy takes five?).

And the pred in the movie decided not to take his armor with him. Apparently, for him it's not worth the trouble ; What, exactly, is so strange or surprising about it?

[Baal]

Doesnt really hold water. The best of the best in the US Army is Delta Force. When they go into combat they most certainly wear body armor. In fact the body armor that they wear is heavier and bulkier than the army regular troops and even Army Rangers wear.

That's simplistic thinking, otherwise known as complete bullshit. All soldiers, everywhere, select their kit based on the mission at hand, and sometimes their personal preference. There's no clear progression like you seem to be implying (What is it, a computer game? Army grunt takes one shot to kill, a Ranger takes two, while a Delta Force guy takes five?).

And the pred in the movie decided not to take his armor with him. Apparently, for him it's not worth the trouble ; What, exactly, is so strange or surprising about it?

Actually cock for brains if you bothered to read the post I was replying to the other poster was commenting that he might not wear armor because he was elite and implied that elite troops dont wear armor because pictures he has seen of Navy Seals dont show them in armor.

This arguement is complete bullshit. If you read BlackHawk Down as one example you might be able to wrap your brains around the Delta Force guys were not expecting heavy combat and yet they still wore their full body armor which was described by an Army Ranger who was stuck wearing a set as heavier and bulkier than the armor the Rangers normally used as part of their own kit.

[SylasGaunt]

Delta does that because they can afford to, for one thing they don't usually have to march any great distance in it. If they had planned on a lot of overland movement they probably would have worn lighter armor.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I've heard that the Wolf has a whip made from Xenos tail segments, and its razor/molecular sharp. That's gonna be frigging badass.

[neoolong]

I've heard that the Wolf has a whip made from Xenos tail segments, and its razor/molecular sharp. That's gonna be frigging badass.

Okay, why would they make that? How useful can be that be? Aside from it being acid proof I guess.

[Anguirus]

You can see the whip in both the trailer and the IGN clip. Whatever it's made out of, it shreds Aliens.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I've heard that the Wolf has a whip made from Xenos tail segments, and its razor/molecular sharp. That's gonna be frigging badass.

Okay, why would they make that? How useful can be that be? Aside from it being acid proof I guess.

Acid-proof and able to go through Xeno hardshells. I imagine its quite usefull in a tight spot, and a sign of major prestige to have gotten enough of the right body parts to make it.

[Stark]

I've heard that the Wolf has a whip made from Xenos tail segments, and its razor/molecular sharp. That's gonna be frigging badass.

I'm not sure what's more retarded: the idea itself or people who think it makes sense.

Remember, rifles tear xenos to shreds. Their 'hardshells' (I'm laughing so hard I can barely type just saying that) have zero practical armour. Oooo, better get a stupid whip!

Actually, I guess I forgot the part where it's impossible to make anything that resists xeno acid. That part people just assume. Oh well, people figure xenos are hell dangerous too... just like idiots and zombies.

[PeZook]

Actually cock for brains if you bothered to read the post I was replying to the other poster was commenting that he might not wear armor because he was elite and implied that elite troops dont wear armor because pictures he has seen of Navy Seals dont show them in armor.

He generalized like hell, but you did, too. Let me show you how.

This arguement is complete bullshit. If you read BlackHawk Down as one example you might be able to wrap your brains around the Delta Force guys were not expecting heavy combat and yet they still wore their full body armor which was described by an Army Ranger who was stuck wearing a set as heavier and bulkier than the armor the Rangers normally used as part of their own kit.

1) During the raid, CQB fighting was expected, since it were the Deltas who actually conducted the assault. Rangers would just secure the building from the outside - thus, the Deltas could readily expect to be shot (from an AK!) at close quarters. Hence, heavier body armor.

2) The mission was about riding in on a helicopter, raiding the place, riding out on hummvees. Commandoes going on a deep raid behind enemy lines would select a different kit - and the Pred's mission is not a short, intensive raid, but a deep infiltration.

3) I was criticizing your dumbshit assertion that the Delta Force are "the best of the best" of the US Army. I've been a vocal critic of those idiotic "rankings" of special forces for a long time, on this very board. The SEALs (and the Green Berets, too, if you want to get anal) have a different mission profile than the Delta Force, one more analogous to what the movie Pred is going to do - and hence, you see them without body armor (or with light one) more often than not.

[PeZook]

Damn. Ghetto edit: "I was criticizing" should read "I was also criticizing."

[The Spartan]

If I may point out, the SEALs in question were running CQB drills. Now, they may have been only doing this for the cameras and may in fact wear body armor when they go into combat, but frankly I doubt they were doing that just for the cameras.

I can actually provide a counter example of my own: Marine Force Recon has, apparently, been buying a different model of body armor because a squad drowned when their boat capsized and only one member was able to get his off fast enough.

Now, was I generalizing? Yeah. But if you'd stop to think for a moment, you'd realize that there was a point to it, i.e. that operational concerns alter equipment and I gave an example, based upon an elite force, where those concerns cause them to choose not to wear body armor.

[PeZook]

If I may point out, the SEALs in question were running CQB drills. Now, they may have been only doing this for the cameras and may in fact wear body armor when they go into combat, but frankly I doubt they were doing that just for the cameras.

The context is important here: were they practicing without body armor because that's how they expect to fight, or for other reasons? It's definitely not a hard rule, anyway.

The typical mission profile of a SEAL team does not lend itself well to using heavy, bulky Interceptor-style body-armor, so it may be necessary for them to practice CQB without it.

Their stated mission is underwater demolition and raids on ships, so it kind of naturally elliminates 20 extra pounds of body armor.

I can actually provide a counter example of my own: Marine Force Recon has, apparently, been buying a different model of body armor because a squad drowned when their boat capsized and only one member was able to get his off fast enough.

The main problematic thing about comparing equipment of special forces is that they can pretty much equip themselves however the hell they want, if they decide it's necessary. Mission planning is done with squads rather than divisions, too, so they can pick and choose practically every time.

Now, was I generalizing? Yeah. But if you'd stop to think for a moment, you'd realize that there was a point to it, i.e. that operational concerns alter equipment and I gave an example, based upon an elite force, where those concerns cause them to choose not to wear body armor.

That's basically my point, too. I guess there's been a failure of communication here

[Anguirus]

I'm not sure what's more retarded: the idea itself or people who think it makes sense.

Of course it doesn't make sense. It was just pulled from one of the comics cause it looks cool.

The Wolf still has shoulder guns. Those seem to be as close as Preds get, for whatever reason, to a proper rifle.

[The Spartan]

Now, was I generalizing? Yeah. But if you'd stop to think for a moment, you'd realize that there was a point to it, i.e. that operational concerns alter equipment and I gave an example, based upon an elite force, where those concerns cause them to choose not to wear body armor.

That's basically my point, too. I guess there's been a failure of communication here

I think so, because this is pretty much what I was trying to get at from the beginning: that Spec Ops can use almost whatever equipment they damn well please, some use armor a lot, some use it rarely, this particular Pred may be something like the latter rather than the former.

I'm clear as mud as always.

BTW, the reason I think it unlikely that he SEALs would train for CQB without body armor while at the same time expecting to wear it is because it can throw off your reaction time and/or aiming mechanics. I know it would me if I wasn't used to wearing it. And that can be deadly in a high speed CQB environment. Especially if there are possible hostages present. (Just to be clear, I'm not saying that SEALs never wear armor, only that I think that if they expected to wear it in combat, they would train with it)

Also, as an aside, the SEALs mission has expanded beyond UD and ship raids, there's SEAL 6 (now called something else like SPECNAVGRU?) that is trained specifically for counter terror operations (similar to Delta Force) and the rest of the teams also train for coastal or overland raids and reconnaissance. For instance, they have what are basically armed dune buggies that they use for desert raids.

[PeZook]

Also, as an aside, the SEALs mission has expanded beyond UD and ship raids, there's SEAL 6 (now called something else like SPECNAVGRU?) that is trained specifically for counter terror operations (similar to Delta Force) and the rest of the teams also train for coastal or overland raids and reconnaissance. For instance, they have what are basically armed dune buggies that they use for desert raids.

Well, their primary way of deployment is still by sea more than air or land. We don't know which team you saw and under what circumstances - if they deploy by sea, or expect to swim a lot, then they'd probably practice without heavy body armor - since you'll not be wearing it if you'll be doing a lot of swimming.

I'd wager that they train with and without it, for different situations. Plus, any real mission is going to be practiced beforehand as much as possible.

[The Spartan]

Well, their primary way of deployment is still by sea more than air or land. We don't know which team you saw and under what circumstances - if they deploy by sea, or expect to swim a lot, then they'd probably practice without heavy body armor - since you'll not be wearing it if you'll be doing a lot of swimming.

Which is what leads me to believe that they only rarely use body armor. The impression I've gotten is that SEALs seem to almost expect to have to swim. How accurate that is is probably debatable but well, there it is.

I'd wager that they train with and without it, for different situations. Plus, any real mission is going to be practiced beforehand as much as possible.

I think you're right but I lean towards it being the exception rather than the rule for the reasons I've stated.