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I still say Soviet Daleks would've been awesome.Gemini-Preserver wrote:And of course Pompeii Is totally British, Henry van-stattern in his bunker near salt lake city was totally British to. Insted of Churchill who should of called him up for help? Hitler, Stalin, Saddam perhaps?
Van Statten was played by an American actor and had no accent that would even suggest he was British at all.Gemini-Preserver wrote:And of course Pompeii Is totally British, Henry van-stattern in his bunker near salt lake city was totally British to.
The handful of exceptions that prove the rule, obviously.And of course Pompeii Is totally British, Henry van-stattern in his bunker near salt lake city was totally British to.
If there's anything I liked about the original series, it was that you could get a sense that you were in a different world even if humans were involved. The new series the majority of the time felt like you were still on Earth or on an updated one (and frankly the new Doctors were there most of the time) even if they were in a different setting (ie. Starship UK, New New York).Vympel wrote:The handful of exceptions that prove the rule, obviously.And of course Pompeii Is totally British, Henry van-stattern in his bunker near salt lake city was totally British to.
Oh...Eternal_Freedom wrote:TC Pilot, I do believe he was being sarcastic, in response to someone complaining that Doctor Who stays in the UK alot
We would ALL like to forget "The Stolen Earth".Eternal_Freedom wrote:Amy not remembering "The Stolen Earth" is just....curious
Whining about a British show tending to make reference to things Brits understand just seems ridiculous.Vympel wrote:The handful of exceptions that prove the rule, obviously.And of course Pompeii Is totally British, Henry van-stattern in his bunker near salt lake city was totally British to.
I don't see why it should. Farscape and Blake's 7 managed quite nicely in that department and it really doesn't take all that big an expense, unless you're going to try to outdo Blade Runner or Star Wars, to establish an alien world setting for a story. That nuDW can't seem to do what other genre television series have is more down to a decided lack of imagination on the part of the writers.Plekhanov wrote:I would like to see more stories on other worlds though, aside from issues of budget & convenience I wonder if the switch to 45 minute stories has encouraged this focus upon earth as it leaves less time to establish alien environments & cultures whilst leaving enough time for the plot.
I know ratings do not automatically designate quality - I enjoyed "Voyage of the Damned" and "The Next Doctor", they were among the most widely watched episodes in the show's history, but they were certainly not the best episodes in NuWho, with "Blink" and "Midnight" having much stronger scripts. I mostly like the new season under Moffat's stewardship, though I knew Moffat's output was not going to be as concentrated as in previous seasons and he was going to turn out a semi-dud like "The Beast Below", but at the same time trying to cater to hecklers like Lawrence Miles and other pockets of jaded sci-fi fans is hugely impractical, since NuWho as it is in the last half-decade is the most successful sci-fi series since Star Trek: The Next Generation (in that it's not just a cult hit and has a large, broad audience).NecronLord wrote:BO, I see you've finally gotten around to stating an opinion not entirely based on audience ratings.
These new Daleks could've looked more like this:Yeah, I don't think anyone's really happy with the new daleks.
Wow, I can't believe there was a great amount of people who watched the Web Planet. It is the worst Hartnell serial (available) I have ever watched.Big Orange wrote:Here are the viewer ratings for all the episodes of Doctor Who since Hartnel.
Farscape & Blake's 7 aren't exactly family shows though are they? A very substantial portion of the show's audience is kids & the writers have to take that into account.Patrick Degan wrote:I don't see why it should. Farscape and Blake's 7 managed quite nicely in that department and it really doesn't take all that big an expense, unless you're going to try to outdo Blade Runner or Star Wars, to establish an alien world setting for a story. That nuDW can't seem to do what other genre television series have is more down to a decided lack of imagination on the part of the writers.Plekhanov wrote:I would like to see more stories on other worlds though, aside from issues of budget & convenience I wonder if the switch to 45 minute stories has encouraged this focus upon earth as it leaves less time to establish alien environments & cultures whilst leaving enough time for the plot.
Huh! Being a family/children's science fiction show, it should have more emphasis on creative settings than those shows to capture the imagination of children.Plekhanov wrote:Farscape & Blake's 7 aren't exactly family shows though are they? A very substantial portion of the show's audience is kids & the writers have to take that into account.Patrick Degan wrote:I don't see why it should. Farscape and Blake's 7 managed quite nicely in that department and it really doesn't take all that big an expense, unless you're going to try to outdo Blade Runner or Star Wars, to establish an alien world setting for a story. That nuDW can't seem to do what other genre television series have is more down to a decided lack of imagination on the part of the writers.Plekhanov wrote:I would like to see more stories on other worlds though, aside from issues of budget & convenience I wonder if the switch to 45 minute stories has encouraged this focus upon earth as it leaves less time to establish alien environments & cultures whilst leaving enough time for the plot.
Judging from my nephews at least Dr Who is very good at capturing the imagination of children. Thing is though being children they can't take in an alien world as quickly as I can & need more to work on to begin to understand a 'creative setting', hence my point about the 45 minute format being less suited to alien worlds.Soontir C'boath wrote:Huh! Being a family/children's science fiction show, it should have more emphasis on creative settings than those shows to capture the imagination of children.Plekhanov wrote:Farscape & Blake's 7 aren't exactly family shows though are they? A very substantial portion of the show's audience is kids & the writers have to take that into account.
For a start, Doctor Who really ceased being a "children's show" when Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes took over in 1975. And children can be rather swift on the uptake. It really does not take all that much effort to establish the setting of an alien world: spaceship flies toward a planet, a disused quarry, howling wind sound FX, some funky-looking "alien" plants from props, and people in metallic briefs and green skin. Or just matte in an extra moon in the night sky. Having everybody talk about being on the planet Exharius or Zeta Reticuli IV or wherever will also do the job. Children will take it on face-value; in fact they're more likely to be convinced and accepting than any of us who can see the zippers in the Zygon suits or how ridiculous actors in green body paint and metallic undies actually look.Plekhanov wrote:Judging from my nephews at least Dr Who is very good at capturing the imagination of children. Thing is though being children they can't take in an alien world as quickly as I can & need more to work on to begin to understand a 'creative setting', hence my point about the 45 minute format being less suited to alien worlds.Soontir C'boath wrote:Huh! Being a family/children's science fiction show, it should have more emphasis on creative settings than those shows to capture the imagination of children.Plekhanov wrote:Farscape & Blake's 7 aren't exactly family shows though are they? A very substantial portion of the show's audience is kids & the writers have to take that into account.
The design of the daleks themselves looked like a stylistic decision rather than any particular budget issue; the thing that looked really cheap was the interior of their saucer, which appeared to be an empty industrial freezer.Big Orange wrote:I can sense that with the new bumper cars on steroids Daleks
It has more stuff in it, I'm not clear if it's actually larger.bigger and more elaborate TARDIS set.
Definitely a stylistic decision - after all, if your budget is cut that badly, why would you even bother changing the design when you've presumably got a load of existing daleks sitting around from the last series.Starglider wrote:The design of the daleks themselves looked like a stylistic decision rather than any particular budget issue; the thing that looked really cheap was the interior of their saucer, which appeared to be an empty industrial freezer.Big Orange wrote:I can sense that with the new bumper cars on steroids Daleks
It has more stuff in it, I'm not clear if it's actually larger.bigger and more elaborate TARDIS set.
The interior of the Dalek ship was filmed in an empty room in a Cigar factory. The idea behind it IRC was a stylistic return to early ideas of spaceships being big and silver inside and a nod to the original Dalek city on Skaro which essentially was just lots of silver corridors. Daleks after all have no concept of elegance. Plus why clutter a room with lots of screens, when apparently the few consoles that where there are easily capable of defending/transmitting signals/transmatting and time jumpingStarglider wrote:
The design of the daleks themselves looked like a stylistic decision rather than any particular budget issue; the thing that looked really cheap was the interior of their saucer, which appeared to be an empty industrial freezer.
The Curse of Fenric. Whichw as way more interesting than this, even if it ran on vampire silliness.Stark wrote:They used Soviets in err... that 7th Doctor Vampire WW2 thing, so it's not without precedent.
Firstly they should have waited until the next appearance to do that. The new Daleks could reasonably have their own set design style. Since this was the last of the old Daleks, the style should have matched the previously seen Dalek interiors, in 'The Parting of the Ways' and 'Journey's End'.Gemini-Preserver wrote:The idea behind it IRC was a stylistic return to early ideas of spaceships being big and silver inside and a nod to the original Dalek city on Skaro which essentially was just lots of silver corridors.
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