nBSG: S2:03: "Fragged" (Spoilers)

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2005-08-03 04:18pm

Vympel wrote:If I recall correctly, the starboard pod is useless to them, since we learned from the miniseries that it was turned into a museum in preparation for Galactica's decomissioning. They should really see about getting it back online. Maybe if they had the Cylong boarding party could've been contained more easily.

Watching "Fragged" now. Glad to be finally up to date. What I want to know is how the heck Tigh could seriously ask if the Cylon Basestar above Kobol had been destroyed as Suicidal-Boomer claimed. She did have someone else with her on that run.

And the President being a drug-addled religious nut isn't exactly encouraging. Arrow of Apollo indeed ... Jumping J Zeus on a pogo stick

(Hopefully the plot throws a curveball and the arrow is completely useless).

I am almost positive that the arrow is useless and that the pres has completely misread the prophesy.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-08-03 04:46pm

Aeolus wrote:I am almost positive that the arrow is useless and that the pres has completely misread the prophesy.

Maybe there's a passage in the text that names the flagship the "Arrow of Apollo" and they open the Tomb of Athena with orbital attack.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-08-03 04:47pm

NecronLord wrote:
Aeolus wrote:I am almost positive that the arrow is useless and that the pres has completely misread the prophesy.
Maybe there's a passage in the text that names the flagship the "Arrow of Apollo" and they open the Tomb of Athena with orbital attack.

C'mon you guys...are we seriously missing the obvious allusion to Lee Adama's throbbing member?? The president is wise much like Athena so he must penetrate her tomb - and since she is dying and too old to have children her womb would be the tomb no? Do I need to spell this out for you?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-08-03 04:51pm

Stravo wrote:C'mon you guys...are we seriously missing the obvious allusion to Lee Adama's throbbing member?? The president is wise much like Athena so he must penetrate her tomb - and since she is dying and too old to have children her womb would be the tomb no? Do I need to spell this out for you?

And obelisks are penii, domes breasts, and pyramids are penis-breasts, right?

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-08-03 09:25pm

I figure the Arrow of Apollo is useless, but the entire thing that happened because of it is not. I'd guess that the arrow is broken or whatever, but by bringing Starbuck there and/or getting Caprica-Sharon off... that sets something in motion.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-03 11:21pm

Stravo wrote: The man wants to create a worker's paradise.

I didn't interpret his speech that way. His "going through the motions" comment really struck a chord with me though. Some sort of change is required, IMO.

I find him a dangerous person and wouldn't want him anywhere near the presidency. He's as much an oppurtunist as Rosalyn or any of the other politicians out there save that this one was also a terrorist.

Well ... one man's terrorist ....

My anti communist anti socialist shields went up the moment he gave that speech on Colonial Day talking about what he sees in the future - namely Communism lite.

Still he's a brilliantly written character and I like what Hatch brings to the table.

Yeah he kicks ass.

Tom Zareck is a sadistic-god-complex-mother-fucker who should be pushed out of an air lock at the earliest possible convenience. Are we so quick to forget Bastille Day? His 'best mate' was a rapist who tried to rape Cally, when Apollo and Zareck were outside the cell, and the rapist was about to kill Cally, Zareck did nothing. Actually I tell a small truth. He started blaming Apollo for the whole situation, saying that the system 'made' this man 'do this' to Cally.

We don't know what his best friend was like before he entered the penal system. Given that he used violence and likely surrounded himself with like-minded, violent people, he could've simply overestimated his friend. His blaming "the system" however does tell us that he was disgusted with his actions- that's a positive thing. As for doing nothing, there wasn't much he could do- the guy had just gotten his ear bitten off and had shot her already.

What a fucktard. I think I'd pick an 'the arrow of Apollo will open the temple of Athena' nut over this sociopath any day of the week, and twice during Armageddon.

I just want him for a change. I like the character, he's complex and I have some small measure of sympathy for him. He's got charisma.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-04 12:10am

Here's an idea- it's got nothing to do with an actual arrow belonging to Apollo. What if it's really about Capt. Apollo? Sorry of this was already mentioned.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-04 05:49am

Something I hope they bring up in the next ep:

Baltar is the duly elected Vice President. I'm wondering if he'll try to step up to the plate and try to fill in as President. That is his job, right?

If he does, I'm wondering how Tigh will deal with it. Hopefully, this will be a point brought up by the Council and the civilian populace.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-08-04 06:14am

Mario1470 wrote:Something I hope they bring up in the next ep: Baltar is the duly elected Vice President. I'm wondering if he'll try to step up to the plate and try to fill in as President. That is his job, right?

He's going to have to answer for his Cylon detector and it's failure to detect Sharon first, methinks.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-08-04 06:52am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Mario1470 wrote:Something I hope they bring up in the next ep: Baltar is the duly elected Vice President. I'm wondering if he'll try to step up to the plate and try to fill in as President. That is his job, right?
He's going to have to answer for his Cylon detector and it's failure to detect Sharon first, methinks.

Right...and I think Tigh would use that against Baltar if he did try to take over the presidency.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-04 09:34am

Why didn't Baltar fucking say Sharon was a Cylon in the first place anyway?

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-08-04 09:35am

Vympel wrote:Why didn't Baltar fucking say Sharon was a Cylon in the first place anyway?

Six freaked him out by saying that might set her off and have her snap his neck like a chicken. I don't know why he didn't turn her in after she left, but Baltar's loyalty and judgement are pretty screwed up.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-08-04 12:17pm

Vympel wrote:We don't know what his best friend was like before he entered the penal system. Given that he used violence and likely surrounded himself with like-minded, violent people, he could've simply overestimated his friend. His blaming "the system" however does tell us that he was disgusted with his actions- that's a positive thing.

I was unaware that being in prison turns someone into a rapist.

Vympel wrote:As for doing nothing, there wasn't much he could do- the guy had just gotten his ear bitten off and had shot her already.

He could have tried to talk to his 'friend', show some comapassion for the young girl who was nearly raped and has a bleeding gut wound, ordered the doors to be opened up so that Apollo could get to him, ordered his other 'friends' to shoot the rapist.

He did squat. All he did was try and find somebody else to blame for a situation that were the result of his own goddam actions.

Vympel wrote:I just want him for a change. I like the character, he's complex and I have some small measure of sympathy for him. He's got charisma.

Don't get me wrong, Zareck is an interesting character, in the sense that he fulfills the role of antagonist well, which all means he would suck as anything other than 3-4 episodes per season character.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-08-04 12:31pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:
Vympel wrote:Why didn't Baltar fucking say Sharon was a Cylon in the first place anyway?
Six freaked him out by saying that might set her off and have her snap his neck like a chicken. I don't know why he didn't turn her in after she left, but Baltar's loyalty and judgement are pretty screwed up.

Ouch; I forgot about that.

* Eagerly waits to see the shit hit the fan upon the return of the mighty Baltar...

*

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-04 07:42pm

It might not be a problem for Baltar at all. Remember that it seemed as though as far as the President and Commander were concerned, it hadn't been tested on a subject yet. Baltar told Boomer that it was in a "beta" stage. I wouldn't be surprised if noone knows he tested her.

I was unaware that being in prison turns someone into a rapist.

Being an already violent man and being deprived of sex for god knows how long on an all male ship, then being put in a position of power over a woman? Fuck yeah.

He could have tried to talk to his 'friend', show some comapassion for the young girl who was nearly raped and has a bleeding gut wound, ordered the doors to be opened up so that Apollo could get to him, ordered his other 'friends' to shoot the rapist.

Most which could've resulted in the girl getting shot.

He did squat. All he did was try and find somebody else to blame for a situation that were the result of his own goddam actions.

I'm not going to hold him responsible for the actions of one of his goons, it's not like he told the guy to attempt to rape her, is it? Don't get me wrong, he's not a good guy, but he's not an iredeemable villain.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-08-04 08:19pm

Vympel wrote:It might not be a problem for Baltar at all. Remember that it seemed as though as far as the President and Commander were concerned, it hadn't been tested on a subject yet. Baltar told Boomer that it was in a "beta" stage. I wouldn't be surprised if noone knows he tested her.

Spoiler: RDM has said in his blog that Baltar's going to have some explaining to do when he gets back.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-04 09:10pm

Uraniun235 wrote: Spoiler: RDM has said in his blog that Baltar's going to have some explaining to do when he gets back.

Pfft. Damn. He's probably gonna give one of his patented bullshit explanations.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-04 09:14pm

I don't see Baltar being undiscovered forever. Part of the original BSG was having Baltar actively working with the Cylons and the Colonials knowing the truth.

At some point Baltar might be exposed. It will make writing for Baltar harder because part of his chacter being so good is how he interacts with everyone else.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2005-08-04 11:14pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Mario1470 wrote:Something I hope they bring up in the next ep: Baltar is the duly elected Vice President. I'm wondering if he'll try to step up to the plate and try to fill in as President. That is his job, right?
He's going to have to answer for his Cylon detector and it's failure to detect Sharon first, methinks.

Maybe I missed a few lines, but as far as I know they haven't declared her a cylon yet. From Tigh's interrogation, it seems like they think she's more a part of some civilian conspiracy to kill Adama, and there's nothing to implicate Baltar with something like that.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2005-08-04 11:17pm

And did Baltar even tell anyone that he tested her? I mean, Adama and the Pres all thought that Adama would be the first to be tested.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-08-05 07:28am

Thag wrote:
Maybe I missed a few lines, but as far as I know they haven't declared her a cylon yet. From Tigh's interrogation, it seems like they think she's more a part of some civilian conspiracy to kill Adama, and there's nothing to implicate Baltar with something like that.

Tigh refers to her as "it". I'm pretty sure they're convinced she's a Cylon. Then there's the small matter of her ECO revealing how she was gone for a few minutes after planting the nuke aboard the Basestar, and the subsequent immediate arrival of another Basestar.

And did Baltar even tell anyone that he tested her? I mean, Adama and the Pres all thought that Adama would be the first to be tested.

That's what I said.

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