SG1 9x04 (Ties the Bind) & SGA 2x04 (Duet) Discussion Th

[StarshipTitanic]

By definition, you're not going to perceive anything while demolecularized. You have this, you know, lack of things to perceive with.

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[Akaramu Shinja]

My god, you're right! I have seen the error of my ways.

Clearly, gate travel is extremely painful as pointed out by Lt. Ford and thus the sound you hear "buzzing high pitched sound" is actually the muttled and distorted screams of the traveller as he is tossed and turned through the mess of the wormhole.

Ford obviously grinned before leaping in because the idea of Sheppard having to go through the pain made him feel better. A hint to his future betrayal right there!

[Alyeska]

By definition, you're not going to perceive anything while demolecularized. You have this, you know, lack of things to perceive with.

Stargate has worked with the concept of an essence of being (a soul) that doesn't change. Other series have pointed out in transportation effects you are still aware of the process. This includes Star Trek.

Gate travel initialy was very disorienting and even made people sick. If its merely a matter of dematerialization and rematerialzation, why would it do that?

[StarshipTitanic]

Stargate has worked with the concept of an essence of being (a soul) that doesn't change. Other series have pointed out in transportation effects you are still aware of the process. This includes Star Trek.

Wow!? Star Trek has something completely irrelevant to the subject at hand! Well this battle of wits is over, dim one.

Gate travel initialy was very disorienting and even made people sick. If its merely a matter of dematerialization and rematerialzation, why would it do that?

Because they're dematerialized. Then they're rematerialized. In a different place. After a few seconds.

[Akaramu Shinja]

Stargate has worked with the concept of an essence of being (a soul) that doesn't change.

And when in Stargate have you been able to see with your soul? Can you hear too? Which episodes exactly had souls being mentioned in relation to the Stargate transportation process?

Other series have pointed out in transportation effects you are still aware of the process. This includes Star Trek.

Relevant because?

Gate travel initialy was very disorienting and even made people sick. If its merely a matter of dematerialization and rematerialzation, why would it do that?

So you don't think if you were dematerialised and rematerialised in a completely new enviroment and location, seemingly instantly, you would be disoriented? At all? I've seen people get sick over the smallest things in reality too.

[SirNitram]

By definition, you're not going to perceive anything while demolecularized. You have this, you know, lack of things to perceive with.

Stargate has worked with the concept of an essence of being (a soul) that doesn't change. Other series have pointed out in transportation effects you are still aware of the process. This includes Star Trek.

Gate travel initialy was very disorienting and even made people sick. If its merely a matter of dematerialization and rematerialzation, why would it do that?

The process of your entire body being obliterated might, just might, be traumatic on the mind. Just a concept for you to explore. In addition, the soul, for all it's niceties, does not have any perceptory organs. Unless you want to argue every single being is already Ascended.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Gate travel initialy was very disorienting and even made people sick. If its merely a matter of dematerialization and rematerialzation, why would it do that?

So what? In Watchmen, Dr. Manhattan's teleportation effect made his girlfriend throw up every single time.

[Vympel]

Or if we don't see those Stargates, we can write it off to there being a limited number of the new gates in the Milky Way.

Or maybe the Ori set it off when they sent that Prior? A rolling update?

[Alyeska]

Or if we don't see those Stargates, we can write it off to there being a limited number of the new gates in the Milky Way.

Or maybe the Ori set it off when they sent that Prior? A rolling update?

As was previously mentioned one of two possible explinations.

[Zac Naloen]

Or if we don't see those Stargates, we can write it off to there being a limited number of the new gates in the Milky Way.

Or maybe the Ori set it off when they sent that Prior? A rolling update?

As was previously mentioned one of two possible explinations.

and far more likely than yours.

Its silly to suggest that theres a small number of new gates, why haven't they encountered any before?

The gate on heliopoles (sp?) wasn't new, that was a meeting point for the 5 races, something we knew had to be less than 10,000 years ago. I can promise you they are not going to suddenly chop and change gate effects for the sake of "oh, this gates new and this ones old!!"

If you want an in universe explanation, software update via dialiing IN from atlantis (siege part 2) OR a rolling update via the Orii coming to our galaxy. take your pick.

Out of universe explanation, getting rid of an effect which is now 12 years old and replacing it with something new.

[Alyeska]

Most likely not Atlantis dialing in. Here is why. These updates work through the DHD. Earth has no DHD. Atlantis dials Earth, Earth has no way to update with the rest of the network.

Almost certainly has to be connected with the Orri dialing in.

[Vympel]

Well judging from this latest episode of Atlantis, yes, Wraith Darts are fragile. This is the second time we've seen them take damage from small arms fire. Incidentally, it's the same episode that saw another incidence of the moronic guided AT4. Kind of eerie considering the last discussion me and Chris had about it.

[StarshipTitanic]

Most likely not Atlantis dialing in. Here is why. These updates work through the DHD. Earth has no DHD. Atlantis dials Earth, Earth has no way to update with the rest of the network.

Almost certainly has to be connected with the Orri dialing in.

Well first of all, concession accepted.

Second, if Earth has no way of updating gate software, how did they make a connection the first few times after thousands of years being disconnected from the network?

[Akaramu Shinja]

Here is why.

Because you say so?

These updates work through the DHD.

Based on? You saying so? Stop making stuff up.

Earth has no DHD.

That's the first true thing you've said in this entire thread.

Atlantis dials Earth, Earth has no way to update with the rest of the network.

Amazing, if only everything else you said was backed up rather than repeated over and over in an attempt to make it true.

Almost certainly has to be connected with the Orri dialing in.

Good thing you're so sure. I can't imagine what your thought process is like, as if you actually believe the shit you make up and think it should be true because you can pay for a domain name. Good job.

My PC has a mouse and keyboard that allows me to access everything contained within it software wise. They also, however, in no way have their own built in software that when updated, gives me a new login screen and background.

Oh yeah, concession accepted earlier.

[Darth Yoshi]

Just a nitpick.

The gate system does update using the DHDs, as evidenced circumstantially by the SGC requiring the map on Abydos to dial somewhere besides Abydos, but all gates can dial Earth. More importantly, in that one ep where Baal sends a virus to every gate in the galaxy, the gate system is restored by using Earth's addresses and uploading them into a DHD, then triggering a galaxy wide update using the DHD.

[StarshipTitanic]

Just a nitpick.

The gate system does update using the DHDs, as evidenced circumstantially by the SGC requiring the map on Abydos to dial somewhere besides Abydos, but all gates can dial Earth. More importantly, in that one ep where Baal sends a virus to every gate in the galaxy, the gate system is restored by using Earth's addresses and uploading them into a DHD, then triggering a galaxy wide update using the DHD.

The DHD does all the math to compensate for drift and it powers the gate, but the gate can dial out without a DHD. The SGC needed the map on Abydos to give themselves a clue to actual gate addresses.

The DHD appears to be a tool to access the gate network, not what runs the network.

[Alyeska]

The DHD has what does the update system as well. Because Earth doesn't have a DHD they have to do all that work with their own home built dialing computer.

[Akaramu Shinja]

The DHD has what does the update system as well. Because Earth doesn't have a DHD they have to do all that work with their own home built dialing computer.

You have a bad case of "If I ignore people and their arguments, I can just repeat my statements and they become true, lalala". Come up with something tangible or concede on all accounts.

[Alyeska]

The Stargate can't do these things because its not a computer. You need the DHD because it contains all of those components. Carter has said as much. The DHD is the key to making everything work. Without the DHD you don't have the computer system designed to run the gate and dialing becomes very difficult. If your going to manualy dial you have to dial the closest planets. The DHD is the computer the computes, its the system that dials the gates (and BTW can dial all of the gates, ala correlative update), its the power source, it has a built in computer system, etc...

[Alyeska]

Lets put it this way. Atlantis dialed Earth. We didn't start seeing the new gate effect until the Orri started showing up, and this was after they started showing up in significant numbers across the system.

Now if its something the gates can transmit themselves, there is also the issue of the Earth gate dialing Peagasus, twice. Presumably they had the gate effect both times. The gates were connected. Had to exchange information even. Why didn't we see the new gate effect in season 8? Why would the process being one direction? We know that data transmissions travel both ways through the gates.

[Darth Yoshi]

The DHD does all the math to compensate for drift and it powers the gate, but the gate can dial out without a DHD. The SGC needed the map on Abydos to give themselves a clue to actual gate addresses.

I believe it was Carter who said that they tried dialing multiple addresses, but until they got the map and compensated for stellar drift, Earth could only dial Abydos. Even going with random dialing, at least one address should have worked.

[Akaramu Shinja]

The Stargate can't do these things because its not a computer. You need the DHD because it contains all of those components. Carter has said as much. The DHD is the key to making everything work. Without the DHD you don't have the computer system designed to run the gate and dialing becomes very difficult. If your going to manualy dial you have to dial the closest planets. The DHD is the computer the computes, its the system that dials the gates (and BTW can dial all of the gates, ala correlative update), its the power source, it has a built in computer system, etc...

This is no way supports your made up idea that the DHDs are autoupdated with potentially new software when connected to other ones.

[Akaramu Shinja]

Lets put it this way. Atlantis dialed Earth. We didn't start seeing the new gate effect until the Orri started showing up, and this was after they started showing up in significant numbers across the system.

Now if its something the gates can transmit themselves, there is also the issue of the Earth gate dialing Peagasus, twice. Presumably they had the gate effect both times. The gates were connected. Had to exchange information even. Why didn't we see the new gate effect in season 8? Why would the process being one direction? We know that data transmissions travel both ways through the gates.

You still haven't addressed your TOTALLY FUCKING WRONG STATEMENTS that you're aware of things while travelling through the wormhole. Until you do, and have proof that you are, and they are in fact seeing it, then maybe I'll humour the idea of the gate effect being 100% true and it not a 3rd person viewer perspective on things. ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, yes, the ones we keep putting forward and you SIMPLY IGNORE, or is this some sort of debate technique?

Argumentum ad nauseam or what?

[Akaramu Shinja]

The DHD does all the math to compensate for drift and it powers the gate, but the gate can dial out without a DHD. The SGC needed the map on Abydos to give themselves a clue to actual gate addresses.

I believe it was Carter who said that they tried dialing multiple addresses, but until they got the map and compensated for stellar drift, Earth could only dial Abydos. Even going with random dialing, at least one address should have worked.

Right, hence the DHD does all the math to compensate for the drift and it powers the gate. Or are you agreeing with him?

[TheDarkling]

This is no way supports your made up idea that the DHDs are autoupdated with potentially new software when connected to other ones.

Wasn't that the entire premise of Avenger 2.0?