nBSG Episode 319: "Crossroads, Part II"...

[CaptJodan]

Well....IF they are Cylons.....

Geeta wasn't one.

[Sam Or I]

My big question is: Cally is a whore?

Seriously though, I think I called the Star-b-Kenobi back in the Maelstrom thread.

I do not believe they are cylons yet, Chief has a son (Unless Cally is a whore), and Tigh has a 40 year old record. They were all part if not leaders of the resistance, I think the Cylons must have done something to them. Chief for awhile wanted to believe he is was Cylon, hense the Cally beat down.

Good episode.

[Sam Or I]

WAIT A FRAKKIN SECOND!

CHIEF HAS A SON, DAMMIT!!!!

So Does Athena. It seems that Human + Love + Cylon = Baby. If Tyrol is a toaster that is.

That negates the importance of Hera.

[TimothyC]

WAIT A FRAKKIN SECOND!

CHIEF HAS A SON, DAMMIT!!!!

So Does Athena. It seems that Human + Love + Cylon = Baby. If Tyrol is a toaster that is.

That negates the importance of Hera.

Well - Hera was first.

[CaptJodan]

Tigh being mindfucked by the Cylons certainly tracks real well here.

But quite honestly, the rest doesn't. The Cylons have never shown the ability to erase memories like we would see from Anders and the rest of the lot. They all never seemed to have been captured and mindfucked. No evidence that they had that opportunity.

And lest we forget 3's reaction when she saw them. She might have seen Tigh and, knowing what they had done to him and his eye, felt like shit when she found out who he was.

I'm just sayin...

[xerex]

My big question is: Cally is a whore?

Seriously though, I think I called the Star-b-Kenobi back in the Maelstrom thread.

I do not believe they are cylons yet, Chief has a son (Unless Cally is a whore), and Tigh has a 40 year old record. They were all part if not leaders of the resistance, I think the Cylons must have done something to them. Chief for awhile wanted to believe he is was Cylon, hense the Cally beat down.

Good episode.

knock out the whore talk. or are you suggesting that Hera is not Athena's child ?

[fgalkin]

So Does Athena. It seems that Human + Love + Cylon = Baby. If Tyrol is a toaster that is.

That negates the importance of Hera.

Well - Hera was first.

You don't see Six, Athena, and Roslin chasing Tyrol's kid in the Opera House.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Sam Or I]

My big question is: Cally is a whore?

Seriously though, I think I called the Star-b-Kenobi back in the Maelstrom thread.

I do not believe they are cylons yet, Chief has a son (Unless Cally is a whore), and Tigh has a 40 year old record. They were all part if not leaders of the resistance, I think the Cylons must have done something to them. Chief for awhile wanted to believe he is was Cylon, hense the Cally beat down.

Good episode.

knock out the whore talk. or are you suggesting that Hera is not Athena's child ?

It is bad story telling if there are 2 Hybrids. Hera is not important anymore, and people would not be having visions of her. Either Tyrol is not a Cylon, or the kid is not his. I really doubt there are 2 hybrids.

[Braedley]

D'you ever consider that maybe Cally is a cylon? The Tyrol's son wouldn't be a hybrid.

[Imperial Overlord]

And why would Tyrol's kid show up in the Opera House? We know the Five are different. They only show up shrouded in the Opera House. It might be their construction or under their control. It would kind of blow their secrecy if their kid(s) were running around in it.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I recall that during the whole "Cylons can't reproduce" issues of the second season, that they seemed to concentrate their medical experiments during "The Farm" on human women exclusively.

So it could be that the fertility issue has more to do with female Cylons than male Cylons, so Tyrol could be simply not part of the problem in that regard.

[CaptJodan]

And why would Tyrol's kid show up in the Opera House? We know the Five are different. They only show up shrouded in the Opera House. It might be their construction or under their control. It would kind of blow their secrecy if their kid(s) were running around in it.

Agreed. Something about the 5 makes them dramatically different. Either they're actually not Cylons, but some kind of....oh who the fuck knows, or they're models that are vastly different somehow.

[Sam Or I]

I recall that during the whole "Cylons can't reproduce" issues of the second season, that they seemed to concentrate their medical experiments during "The Farm" on human women exclusively.

So it could be that the fertility issue has more to do with female Cylons than male Cylons, so Tyrol could be simply not part of the problem in that regard.

If so, why would Hera be important? They could get there half-breeds with all those eggs and male cylons.

[Srynerson]

WAIT A FRAKKIN SECOND!

CHIEF HAS A SON, DAMMIT!!!!

I personally agree that alone makes it highly unlikely that Tyrol is really a Cylon, but if they go that route they could rationalize the problem away by claiming Cylon/Male+Human/Female offspring are not equivalent to Human/Male+Cylon/Female offspring.

[xerex]

Ummm, arent you guys missing something ?

Hera is only important to the 7 Cylons because the 7 Cylons cant reproduce. it's irrelevant to them whether the other 5 give reproduce or not.


now Head six is a different matter but maybe head six is unaware of the final 5 as well ?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I recall that during the whole "Cylons can't reproduce" issues of the second season, that they seemed to concentrate their medical experiments during "The Farm" on human women exclusively.

So it could be that the fertility issue has more to do with female Cylons than male Cylons, so Tyrol could be simply not part of the problem in that regard.

If so, why would Hera be important? They could get there half-breeds with all those eggs and male cylons.

I don't know, just throwing something out, but considering what Xerex just said above, forget what I said.

For now, I'm sharing the same opinion as Xerex.

[Knife]

Gah, big build up on the trial just for a Lee speach and a contrived out come. Not so much of a big build up for the return of the Cylons. Meh.

And for all the mind-fuckery, it doesn't make any fucking sense so I'm not that impressed with it. The time line just doesn't fit for what they've implied.

The Cylon war was only fifty years ago. In that time, not only do the Cylons need to establish a home and resource base, build a fleet and rebuilt their numbers, they need to create the humalons and start to infiltrate the humans.

Now with the 'final five' you have to believe that there is a whole new series of Cylons that either A)were first humalons and rule the rest out of some weird ass detached power, or B) the Cylons were some how made to create the 'final five' without really knowing they did it, or whom they made or made them for.

Enter the crappy tie in with the Gods of Kobal. I actually like the fallen angle bit and the head six/baltar moving characters toward some unseen goal, but implying that the final five are some how coupled with this goal is a huge freaking leap.

The only way I see out of it is to totally ditch the idea they (Moore particulary) went out of their way to slam home in the mini and the first season; Humans built the Cylons and enslaved them so humanity deserved their fate.

If instead they have the shadowy fallen angel create the Cylon's (using humans of course) and even at that point make the 'final five' even before the war or durring it as the defacto leaders of his new choosen people, then some of this shit could make sense.

[xerex]

speculation.

the Cylons converted to bio forms very quickly after the war. However for unknown reasons 5 of the forms were able to reproduce while 7 werent. This led to the split, and the reason the 7 wont speak of it is because of thier shame/embarrasment .

Hell maybe the cylons didnt split maybe the 5 tossed the 7 out because of their inability, forcing the 7 to attack the colonies in search for a home.

[Sam Or I]

I don't know, just throwing something out, but considering what Xerex just said above, forget what I said.

For now, I'm sharing the same opinion as Xerex.

I just see the most logical explination of everything is- Cally cheated, the Baby is not his. Everything would fit inside the rules of the known universe without that many unknowns and wild explinations. But this is drama, not real life so I guess Occam's Razor does not apply.

Personally I hope they are all being mind frakked.

[Sam Or I]

PS if you were in universe, and discovered you were a cylon and had a kid, wouldn't you ask for a DNA test? (Hense the line to Cally about "I will talk to you later about it" and a big opertunity for more BSG Livejournal drama for next season between the Chief and Cally.)

[SirNitram]

All of them were on New Caprica.

So... How many of the Five spent time in cells or the like?

Tigh and Kara did...

[xerex]

Personally I hope they are all being mind frakked.

same here.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

PS if you were in universe, and discovered you were a cylon and had a kid, wouldn't you ask for a DNA test? (Hense the line to Cally about "I will talk to you later about it" and a big opertunity for more BSG Livejournal drama for next season between the Chief and Cally.)

I refuse to even consider that a possibility. It just sounds so simplistic of an idea.

Not to mention idiotic.

[Vympel]

*grumble*

When I said on the first page of this thread:

For the ease of following discussion, I would ask all viewers to provide context to comments so that it's not the typical first three pages of "wow" and "shit".

I fucking meant it. Punitive deletions of all useless, no-context comments will follow shortly (which will mean anytime I get round to it).

I will be remembering this for next year, even if you don't. There's too much of these bullshit "what the frak" and similar stupid comments making these threads overly long, and AFAIC, they're little more than +1 spam which adds nothing to the thread.

[dr. what]

I'm leaning towards the "It's all bullshit and they're being mind-fucked" theory--too many things don't make sense if they're all Cylons. Tigh was in a prison cell for a few months, so it's easy to for the Cylons to have had a chance to screw him over. And at least two others were in the resistance. While there's no evidence that they were captured, bear in mind we only got to see bits and pieces of the resistance movement and there are large time gaps.

As for the fifth one-- I'm intrigued that the President not only was sharing that dream but also freaked out at the same time as Six and Sharon. Maybe she's the fifth?

Nah--that doesn't make much sense either....

And they were singing the lyrics to 'All Along the WatchTower'--so does this mean that we now know the story takes place after the 20th century?