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[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Even then how do they become a threat to anybody? They can't invade even a relatively shitty nation like Pre-Dessert Storm Iraq with their resources and good luck ever getting in place to attack anything major like Europe, the US, or China. If Russia has signed on your mass hordes of AK-47 wielding soldiers with converted civilian vehicles will be an exercise in target practice.

How about hokum and rooivalk gunships? Fantans? Migs? Entire lines of brand-new tanks?

Where do they get the funding and technology for this? Most nations jealously guard their military technology. Get caught trying to steal that shit, and you'll make a nation care about what you're doing. And the stuff for foreign export is stripped down and crippled, compared to what they have domestically. The average third world nation isn't going to have latest-generation MBTs lying around. They'll be lucky to have post WW2 designs. And what good is, say, a copy of a MiG 21, a D'assault Mirage II, or an F-5 Tiger when going up anything that has mostly modern avionics and weapons?

Millions of soldiers with cost-effective weapons, equipment and armour?

Kalashnikovs and RPG-7s are cost-effective weapons. So is a Toyota Hilux with a machine-gun bolted onto the bed. This doesn't mean the army using them will be any good.

There's no questioning the power of two entire continents worth of people, especially once they've been well armed and VERY well trained.

If we live on Planet Moron, where this wanktastic corporate cult manages to somehow evade international attention, produce a top-to-bottom reform of a continent's worth of governments and people used to endemic corruption, and somehow wash away centuries of endemic ethnic hatred between various tribal and religious interests . . . then sure, you might have a point. As it is, your wanktastic corporate cult isn't going to get anywhere near where you think it's going to get.

[Norade]

Even then how do they become a threat to anybody? They can't invade even a relatively shitty nation like Pre-Dessert Storm Iraq with their resources and good luck ever getting in place to attack anything major like Europe, the US, or China. If Russia has signed on your mass hordes of AK-47 wielding soldiers with converted civilian vehicles will be an exercise in target practice.

How about hokum and rooivalk gunships? Fantans? Migs? Entire lines of brand-new tanks? Millions of soldiers with cost-effective weapons, equipment and armour? There's no questioning the power of two entire continents worth of people, especially once they've been well armed and VERY well trained.

The problem isn't the population. It is getting the experts to design and build you new weapons systems, getting the factories set to build them, making the population you have work together, and the other reasons listed by the people above me. Not to mention the cost, and the fact that if you try this your company will be banned or taxed out of existence cutting your source of wealth off at the source. Suddenly you're not worth anything, I think you fail to realize the difference between spendable wealth, and wealth tied up in things like stores and shipping/receiving contracts. Then again, I don't think you understand much so that doesn't come as a very large shock.

As for why and how they did this, nearly 80% of the corporation was held by a single family. That family recognized money is a means, not an end, the end they had in mind was power. They started simple. They bought out all local businesses, rigged the elections to put their smiling sycophants in power, and then started making the people dependent on them. They provided jobs working for them in ripping the resouces out of their countries, selling these at a substantial profit due to the low overhead of a third world country. This, in turn, improved the nation's economy (as providing jobs and external trade tends to do) until these nations were at their capacity. This money was then used to amass more power by starting in on another country. Also, although the people who worked for them were paid well, they then spent their money on the company immediately afterwards. (As there was nothing else to spend it on)

So you're going to have 'Incestcorp' bankrupt itself after they get the retarded idea that a single corporation can succeed where many nations failed. You also fail to understand that other companies, already so abusing third world nations, would lobby hard against your doing anything on the scale you're talking about in Africa. You also seem to fail at understanding paying people pennies a day and creating new jobs doesn't help build anything. In fact, that's exactly what's happening today and beating these people down worse. You're also claiming that both a nation and a company will grow when the nation taxes the shit out of its citizens...

In other words, they had a deathgrip on the economies of all these countries. They also had a deathgrip on the people through the usage of organized religion, and had long-since bought the government. (Similarly to how the US congress is owned by american corporations.)

All I'm going to say here is fail, that and... Please, lay off the stupid for a while man. That shit's bad for you.

[avianmosquito]

So they are just magically conjure this out of thin air?

Where do they GET these weapons?
Ok, firearms are not that difficult. But Tanks? Military aircrafts? Guided missiles, artillery, military radar and so on?
Where do they get the blueprints for those? How can they build these factories? Where do they get their resources?
Or do you think that they will buy billions of military equipment off the free market? You know that such products are highly controlled, do you? Their manufacturers need the approval of their goverment to export those.

They own South Africa and you have to ask where they're getting weapons? Look these up:
1. Armscor
2. Denel

And even IF they had all this stuff - do you honestly expect them to beat a modern military with it?
At the very best, you will get an army comparable to pre-Desert Storm Iraq. Which got curb-stomped in their own territory by modern military forces without any actual sweat.

Technology is the decisive factor in warfare. If the difference is too big, numbers won't do squat.

The 3WU had access to modern weaponry and equipment.

For example, the 3WU mounted missile racks, typically loaded with missiles such as the AGM-114 hellfire. (SALH) This gave them an operational range nearly twice that of the M1 Abrams, provided they or a nearby infantryman can maintain line of sight and get a laser designator on target. (Extremely easy to do. A sniper two kilometres away can keep a laser on the target, and remain undetected while doing so.)

Oh, and care to explain how they motivate their populace for this war of conquest?
Even under a dictatorship, people are not mindless drones. You'll need to do better than "organized religion!!" - because a newly-conjured religion rarely suffices in turning a large number of people.

Newly-conjured? They just make the local religious leaders work for them, it's not difficult.

Not to mention that the majority of people in these countries are catholics

Which would make this easier, if only it were true. A good 60 of their 80 countries are muslim.

Sooo...where do they get their skilled workforce? Where do they get the infrastructure that is so crucially absent in thes third-world countries?

1. Countries like South Africa have plenty of educated, skilled citizens and a fully functional infrasctructure. They have a few of such countries.
2. If you needed so many skilled labourers, we wouldn't be outsourcing so much. You can easily provide the small number of skilled labourers neccesary while your unskilled labourers are either working or in training. After about 10 years or so, however, you'll have millions of educated young people ready to be added to your workforce, then a new batch every year from then on out.

Sure, pumping a lot of captical into an economy tends to improve it - but if you have to spend billions on infrastructure, you don't have that much left for factories.

Not true. Factories create jobs and factories create trade, therefore, logic follows that factories are good for the economy. You can spend money on that from the beginning, and still be improving the economy, provided you have people to trade with. (such as the consumers of all the countries these goods are shipped out to)

So the company has to produce and/or buy EVERYTHING the populace of several countries needs?
You don't make money that way - either you run factories that just drain resources for no revenue, or you have to buy stuff to pay your workers.

This doesn't take up much of your revenue, and keep in mind that you're charging them more than it cost you. You can't turn a profit like this, but it doesn't even increase your overhead by much, and it doesn't matter so long as you have external trade.

Your biggest problem is:
Where does the company get the friggin capital for all these stunts?
They would need tens of billions to raise infrastructre per country, then billions more to build factories.
Then they need to get an educated workforce - billons on either education and bringing in skilled people.
And then they have to prodcue their stuff dirt-cheap, while importing everything their populace needs for many billions more. You will most likely make losses when selling oversea - and even if not, your whole scheme could be devastated if either the USA or the EU raise import taxes.

They were a near-monopoly on everything from food to psychiatric medication (Like Wal-Mart on steroids) in every country between France and Poland, providing capital is no issue.

And now... *overaggerated groan* Do I need a list again? Are you really that daft, that I would need something like this to keep all the issues with this one little paragraph? I guess so.

So here you are. Your dumbass-family (gee, that could almost be a personal attack ) spent the most gigantic fortune ever and is nearly bankrupt - all to controll some third-world shitholes that continue to suck their wallets dry.

1. No, you can balance this kind of expense against your income when you've a monopoly on so much in as many developed nations (most of Europe) as they were.

Who could possibly have an interest in that?

2. Besides anyone who could use access to all the resources of two continents (which is a lot, in case you can't figure that out) and total domination of 2 billion people? Nobody at all.

There is NO CHANCE in hell that their inbred asses are going to conquer any worthwhile nation - they would get crushed.

3. Worthwhile is any endeavor that has enough payoff to justify the expense.

Neither will it get them political influence in any other part of the world.

4. Does that matter? They've already got enough economic power to give them political influence over all of Europe, and now they're expanding it to all of Africa, Latin America and Middle-Eastern Asia. That's a good thing.

And it will take decades until they will see an economical plus -

5. And in the mean time they won't be loosing enough money to affect the company as a whole due to their outrageous income. (Again, they've 80% of the shares in a company that has a monopoly on both food and medicine throughout most of Europe.)

meanwhile, anyone with half a brain would have used their gigantic fortune to cement their position in first or second-world contries, seeing revenue after months or a few years.

6. Then what? They've already cemented themselves into the very foundation of the European Union, they've got so much money the governments of the countries can't shut them down them for fear of the damage to the economies of their countries. (That's a bad thing, by the way. I know you have an issue identifying these.) Finally, they can act with near-impunity because if they were shut down it would cause a massive increase in unemployment throughout Europe, and the sudden void of easy places to obtain simple necessities such as food and medicine might just cause a rebellion.

In short:
Avianmosquito is about as intelligent, usefull or pleasant as his namesake-animal. Chances are good that your average mosquito knows more about the world - and while avianmosquito doesn't spread malaria, he is no less deserving of chemical attacks.
Please, someone - find a good title for him. Village Idiot doesn't really cut it.

In short:
Serafina is about as intelligent, usefull and pleasant as a drinking fountain pumping raw sewage. Chances are, the fountain understands more than she does, and definitely provides more useful material. And, while it is true that Serafina doesn't carry disease, (at least as far as I know) she definitely gives people just as much useless shit.
Please, someone - find a good title for her. It seems special olympian athlete wasn't enough for her.

[Purple]

While it could make for an interesting story I personally find that your concept is fundamentaly flawed in several respects.

The western society lives of the 3rd world by exporting goods to them. The reason why companies go out to increase the living standard of Africans is so that Africans could have the money to buy their products. The moment you start butting them off the market you are in for some real trouble.

No mater what country you are in and how much you pay who you are newer going to be allowed to have a near perfect monopoly on anything, let alone everything.
Why? Because other companies will want a share of the market. And if you try to stop them through legal measures, you can't. If you try to do it illegal they will simply sue the living daylight out of you or maybe even sick their corporate slaves (read America) at you.

We have seen this before abet in a different form when small nations try to nationalize their industry by taking it away from the power hungry companies. They rapidly find them self invaded by foreign forces.

Something like a massive corporate takeover would simply newer be allowed to happen.


And to note another thing. If your company can stockpile weapons and take control of nations what do you think would stop other companies from doing so as well. In fact, I find it highly unlikely that they would just stay silent turning their thumbs while you are taking over their market. You might end up with a trans corporate war being fought by proxies (read nations) that have subscribed to your side. Now that would make for an interesting story.

[Stark]

Are you seriously saying nationalising industry is impossible because of international competition, which the state can't control?

[avianmosquito]

The problem isn't the population. It is getting the experts to design and build you new weapons systems, getting the factories set to build them, making the population you have work together, and the other reasons listed by the people above me.

They own Denel.

Not to mention the cost, and the fact that if you try this your company will be banned or taxed out of existence cutting your source of wealth off at the source. Suddenly you're not worth anything, I think you fail to realize the difference between spendable wealth, and wealth tied up in things like stores and shipping/receiving contracts. Then again, I don't think you understand much so that doesn't come as a very large shock.

With their overpowering monopoly on food and medicine? The EU wouldn't let them be shut down happen becasuse that would be economic suicide.

So you're going to have 'Incestcorp' bankrupt itself after they get the retarded idea that a single corporation can succeed where many nations failed. You also fail to understand that other companies, already so abusing third world nations, would lobby hard against your doing anything on the scale you're talking about in Africa. You also seem to fail at understanding paying people pennies a day and creating new jobs doesn't help build anything. In fact, that's exactly what's happening today and beating these people down worse. You're also claiming that both a nation and a company will grow when the nation taxes the shit out of its citizens...

Other corporations would be gone. They provided higher paying jobs than these corporations and added "incentives" (small annual bonus checks) to those coming in from similar jobs of other corporations, that means the other companies would have no workers and have to pull out. Sure, this means they can't exploit the africans as bad, but they don't really want to because they're more interested in power than they are money.

Their wages are actually almost high as those of developed countries. (No benefits, but they won't miss what they've never had.) This makes them look better in the eyes of the UN, which already can't shut them down because it would wreck the economies of most of the EU.

Actually, they don't need to tax the people at all. Most of the money returns to them already.

By the way, I thought I asked you to never comment on one of my threads again? Whatever, it doesn't really matter anymore.

[Stark]

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

[CaptainChewbacca]

By the way, I thought I asked you to never comment on one of my threads again? Whatever, it doesn't really matter anymore.

You're the lowest man on the totem pole around here, and shit rolls downhill.

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

Ironic, since he keeps ignoring me.

Skeeter, if you are producing and selling all your goods in-house, you're not exporting anything and you won't be making any money.

[Norade]

So they are just magically conjure this out of thin air?

Where do they GET these weapons?
Ok, firearms are not that difficult. But Tanks? Military aircrafts? Guided missiles, artillery, military radar and so on?
Where do they get the blueprints for those? How can they build these factories? Where do they get their resources?
Or do you think that they will buy billions of military equipment off the free market? You know that such products are highly controlled, do you? Their manufacturers need the approval of their goverment to export those.

They own South Africa and you have to ask where they're getting weapons? Look these up:
1. Armscor
2. Denel

So they somehow bought out two successful weapons manufactures as well as every other major business in South Africa and nobody noticed? Color me skeptical.

And even IF they had all this stuff - do you honestly expect them to beat a modern military with it?
At the very best, you will get an army comparable to pre-Desert Storm Iraq. Which got curb-stomped in their own territory by modern military forces without any actual sweat.

Technology is the decisive factor in warfare. If the difference is too big, numbers won't do squat.

The 3WU had access to modern weaponry and equipment.

For example, the 3WU mounted missile racks, typically loaded with missiles such as the AGM-114 hellfire. (SALH) This gave them an operational range nearly twice that of the M1 Abrams, provided they or a nearby infantryman can maintain line of sight and get a laser designator on target. (Extremely easy to do. A sniper two kilometres away can keep a laser on the target, and remain undetected while doing so.)

There is a certain scale where it becomes much harder to get such equipment small groups are often given or allowed to buy modern weapons from states that support them. It wouldn't even surprise me to see a nation opposed to America selling very limited amounts of American weapons to some groups. Your company will likely not have access to such after the very limited opening stages.

Thus you will be able to arm a small group, maybe even enough to take control of a small nation, but not on a large enough scale to matter.

Oh, and care to explain how they motivate their populace for this war of conquest?
Even under a dictatorship, people are not mindless drones. You'll need to do better than "organized religion!!" - because a newly-conjured religion rarely suffices in turning a large number of people.

Newly-conjured? They just make the local religious leaders work for them, it's not difficult.

The issue is once you have the small leaders under control, not a given, then you need to push the tribes together and that will be hard. If it was really that easy somebody would have done this by now. It is telling that it hasn't been done.

Not to mention that the majority of people in these countries are catholics

Which would make this easier, if only it were true. A good 60 of their 80 countries are muslim.

It is still going to be hard to get enough of the leaders under your thumb to make a difference.

Sooo...where do they get their skilled workforce? Where do they get the infrastructure that is so crucially absent in thes third-world countries?

1. Countries like South Africa have plenty of educated, skilled citizens and a fully functional infrasctructure. They have a few of such countries.
2. If you needed so many skilled labourers, we wouldn't be outsourcing so much. You can easily provide the small number of skilled labourers neccesary while your unskilled labourers are either working or in training. After about 10 years or so, however, you'll have millions of educated young people ready to be added to your workforce, then a new batch every year from then on out.

1) Places like South Africa are also going to be noticeable when you start buying tons of companies in that nation including two majors arms manufacturers this purchases may need to be approved by a national body of some sort.

2) Not really, we taught them enough and started to outsource slowly. Also, most of the higher ups are American trained and while you can likely get some of your company's people trained that way, after a short while other nations will notice and start to watch your activities and start to track your spending more closely.

Sure, pumping a lot of captical into an economy tends to improve it - but if you have to spend billions on infrastructure, you don't have that much left for factories.

Not true. Factories create jobs and factories create trade, therefore, logic follows that factories are good for the economy. You can spend money on that from the beginning, and still be improving the economy, provided you have people to trade with. (such as the consumers of all the countries these goods are shipped out to)

Only if you're selling too people is that true however to bring a nation like South Africa up to 1st world standards, your stated goal, will take a ton of money. Then you also need to grow your company normally (More locations etc this to keep the other 20% of your shareholders from dumping their stock for cheap); buy out other companies at a very, very rapid rate; buy a ton of weapons on a truly massive scale; all while also bribing religious leaders to work for you. This is going to cost you a ton, and won't be going unnoticed by other nations and other companies.

So the company has to produce and/or buy EVERYTHING the populace of several countries needs?
You don't make money that way - either you run factories that just drain resources for no revenue, or you have to buy stuff to pay your workers.

This doesn't take up much of your revenue, and keep in mind that you're charging them more than it cost you. You can't turn a profit like this, but it doesn't even increase your overhead by much, and it doesn't matter so long as you have external trade.

So you're charging your own people more than you pay them in a losing cycle that will make them hate you, but it's okay because... religion.

Your biggest problem is:
Where does the company get the friggin capital for all these stunts?
They would need tens of billions to raise infrastructre per country, then billions more to build factories.
Then they need to get an educated workforce - billons on either education and bringing in skilled people.
And then they have to prodcue their stuff dirt-cheap, while importing everything their populace needs for many billions more. You will most likely make losses when selling oversea - and even if not, your whole scheme could be devastated if either the USA or the EU raise import taxes.

They were a near-monopoly on everything from food to psychiatric medication (Like Wal-Mart on steroids) in every country between France and Poland, providing capital is no issue.

And now... *overaggerated groan* Do I need a list again? Are you really that daft, that I would need something like this to keep all the issues with this one little paragraph? I guess so.

So the rest of the retards in your world of even worse retards simply let one family gain control of everything? In a very short span... I'd love to see the logic behind this....

So here you are. Your dumbass-family (gee, that could almost be a personal attack ) spent the most gigantic fortune ever and is nearly bankrupt - all to controll some third-world shitholes that continue to suck their wallets dry.

1. No, you can balance this kind of expense against your income when you've a monopoly on so much in as many developed nations (most of Europe) as they were.

Again, I'd love to see your story on how this came to be... It'll surely be rich.

Who could possibly have an interest in that?

2. Besides anyone who could use access to all the resources of two continents (which is a lot, in case you can't figure that out) and total domination of 2 billion people? Nobody at all.

Yes, because Africa is truely that easy to control, there is no chance of rebellion as you oppress the masses... Oh wait, we already tried that and it didn't work.

There is NO CHANCE in hell that their inbred asses are going to conquer any worthwhile nation - they would get crushed.

3. Worthwhile is any endeavor that has enough payoff to justify the expense.

Yes, and of course no other nations are going to see the opening stages of all this, nationalize your company and nuke your industrial bases. Not to mention they could just freeze your finances if they really want to play rough.

Neither will it get them political influence in any other part of the world.

4. Does that matter? They've already got enough economic power to give them political influence over all of Europe, and now they're expanding it to all of Africa, Latin America and Middle-Eastern Asia. That's a good thing.

Again, please explain how this happens in any near future scenario.

And it will take decades until they will see an economical plus -

5. And in the mean time they won't be loosing enough money to affect the company as a whole due to their outrageous income. (Again, they've 80% of the shares in a company that has a monopoly on both food and medicine throughout most of Europe.)

See above.

meanwhile, anyone with half a brain would have used their gigantic fortune to cement their position in first or second-world contries, seeing revenue after months or a few years.

6. Then what? They've already cemented themselves into the very foundation of the European Union, they've got so much money the governments of the countries can't shut them down them for fear of the damage to the economies of their countries. (That's a bad thing, by the way. I know you have an issue identifying these.) Finally, they can act with near-impunity because if they were shut down it would cause a massive increase in unemployment throughout Europe, and the sudden void of easy places to obtain simple necessities such as food and medicine might just cause a rebellion.

Again, how did they do all this with nobody opposing them?

In short:
Avianmosquito is about as intelligent, usefull or pleasant as his namesake-animal. Chances are good that your average mosquito knows more about the world - and while avianmosquito doesn't spread malaria, he is no less deserving of chemical attacks.
Please, someone - find a good title for him. Village Idiot doesn't really cut it.

In short:
Serafina is about as intelligent, usefull and pleasant as a drinking fountain pumping raw sewage. Chances are, the fountain understands more than she does, and definitely provides more useful material. And, while it is true that Serafina doesn't carry disease, (at least as far as I know) she definitely gives people just as much useless shit.
Please, someone - find a good title for her. It seems special olympian athlete wasn't enough for her.

Oh, bravo, such minuscule wit.

The problem isn't the population. It is getting the experts to design and build you new weapons systems, getting the factories set to build them, making the population you have work together, and the other reasons listed by the people above me.

They own Denel.

Where was this mentioned in your first post? Also how did your family come to own 80% of all consumer business in Europe.

Not to mention the cost, and the fact that if you try this your company will be banned or taxed out of existence cutting your source of wealth off at the source. Suddenly you're not worth anything, I think you fail to realize the difference between spendable wealth, and wealth tied up in things like stores and shipping/receiving contracts. Then again, I don't think you understand much so that doesn't come as a very large shock.

With their overpowering monopoly on food and medicine? The EU wouldn't let them be shut down happen becasuse that would be economic suicide.

Not explained in your first post, and damn near impossible due to anti-monopoly laws in Europe.

So you're going to have 'Incestcorp' bankrupt itself after they get the retarded idea that a single corporation can succeed where many nations failed. You also fail to understand that other companies, already so abusing third world nations, would lobby hard against your doing anything on the scale you're talking about in Africa. You also seem to fail at understanding paying people pennies a day and creating new jobs doesn't help build anything. In fact, that's exactly what's happening today and beating these people down worse. You're also claiming that both a nation and a company will grow when the nation taxes the shit out of its citizens...

Other corporations would be gone. They provided higher paying jobs than these corporations and added "incentives" (small annual bonus checks) to those coming in from similar jobs of other corporations, that means the other companies would have no workers and have to pull out. Sure, this means they can't exploit the africans as bad, but they don't really want to because they're more interested in power than they are money.

Their wages are actually almost high as those of developed countries. (No benefits, but they won't miss what they've never had.) This makes them look better in the eyes of the UN, which already can't shut them down because it would wreck the economies of most of the EU.

Actually, they don't need to tax the people at all. Most of the money returns to them already.

Please, show how this massive company came to be in the first place. The company itself existing is even worse than the rest of your ideas.

By the way, I thought I asked you to never comment on one of my threads again? Whatever, it doesn't really matter anymore.

I thought I already said that you should go fuck yourself, except that this board doesn't work that way. You can ignore my posts, but you can't stop me from posting in it.

EDIT: So when does the title poll open?

[avianmosquito]

While it could make for an interesting story I personally find that your concept is fundamentaly flawed in several respects.

As are all ideas.

The western society lives of the 3rd world by exporting goods to them. The reason why companies go out to increase the living standard of Africans is so that Africans could have the money to buy their products. The moment you start butting them off the market you are in for some real trouble.

The scenario is a bit more complicated than that. At this point, these corporations are vying for control of a smaller number of more important targets. (Think of it like Monopoly. The company that created the 3WU was going for everything from Medditerranian-New York, most of the others were fighting over Park Place and Boardwalk.)

No mater what country you are in and how much you pay who you are newer going to be allowed to have a near perfect monopoly on anything, let alone everything.
Why? Because other companies will want a share of the market. And if you try to stop them through legal measures, you can't. If you try to do it illegal they will simply sue the living daylight out of you or maybe even sick their corporate slaves (read America) at you.

When the americans are busy blowing up each other? I don't think so.

We have seen this before abet in a different form when small nations try to nationalize their industry by taking it away from the power hungry companies. They rapidly find them self invaded by foreign forces.

Something like a massive corporate takeover would simply newer be allowed to happen.

I don't think anybody really had the power to "allow" a damn thing when they're all busy killing each other already. This was more or less unnoiticed.

And to note another thing. If your company can stockpile weapons and take control of nations what do you think would stop other companies from doing so as well. In fact, I find it highly unlikely that they would just stay silent turning their thumbs while you are taking over their market. You might end up with a trans corporate war being fought by proxies (read nations) that have subscribed to your side. Now that would make for an interesting story.

That's already where it sits for the third and (to a lesser extent) fourth arc of the main timeline. (The first arc is the main characters' childhoods, the second the revolution in the United States and beyond.)

[avianmosquito]

By the way, I thought I asked you to never comment on one of my threads again? Whatever, it doesn't really matter anymore.

You're the lowest man on the totem pole around here, and shit rolls downhill.

And, as I said, it doesn't matter anymore.

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

Ironic, since he keeps ignoring me.

I'm not ignoring you, but you can't expect me to respond to every comment in a timely fashion.

Skeeter, if you are producing and selling all your goods in-house, you're not exporting anything and you won't be making any money.

They aren't. They are selling maybe 20% of their goods in house. That's not desirable, true, but they still need to in order to make this all work out.

[Norade]

While it could make for an interesting story I personally find that your concept is fundamentaly flawed in several respects.

As are all ideas.

Some far more so than others. In your case orders of magnitude more so.

The western society lives of the 3rd world by exporting goods to them. The reason why companies go out to increase the living standard of Africans is so that Africans could have the money to buy their products. The moment you start butting them off the market you are in for some real trouble.

The scenario is a bit more complicated than that. At this point, these corporations are vying for control of a smaller number of more important targets. (Think of it like Monopoly. The company that created the 3WU was going for everything from Medditerranian-New York, most of the others were fighting over Park Place and Boardwalk.)

Except that this isn't true, at least in any world based off of real life, as many corporation are already exploiting Africa's resources.

No mater what country you are in and how much you pay who you are newer going to be allowed to have a near perfect monopoly on anything, let alone everything.
Why? Because other companies will want a share of the market. And if you try to stop them through legal measures, you can't. If you try to do it illegal they will simply sue the living daylight out of you or maybe even sick their corporate slaves (read America) at you.

When the americans are busy blowing up each other? I don't think so.

So you set up an exceedingly unlikely rebellion in the US the somehow causes them to not notice anything else going on in the world. Might as well just say they win by act of plot.

We have seen this before abet in a different form when small nations try to nationalize their industry by taking it away from the power hungry companies. They rapidly find them self invaded by foreign forces.

Something like a massive corporate takeover would simply newer be allowed to happen.

I don't think anybody really had the power to "allow" a damn thing when they're all busy killing each other already. This was more or less unnoiticed.

Yes, because nobody will notice and somehow everybody is killing each other. A new world war is also really, really, unlikely in any near future scenario.

And to note another thing. If your company can stockpile weapons and take control of nations what do you think would stop other companies from doing so as well. In fact, I find it highly unlikely that they would just stay silent turning their thumbs while you are taking over their market. You might end up with a trans corporate war being fought by proxies (read nations) that have subscribed to your side. Now that would make for an interesting story.

That's already where it sits for the third and (to a lesser extent) fourth arc of the main timeline. (The first arc is the main characters' childhoods, the second the revolution in the United States and beyond.)

Do tell how these revolutions came to be, I'd also be interested to hear when the EU slackened their anti-monopoly laws.

[Norade]

And, as I said, it doesn't matter anymore.

Then why bother to post it in the first place you ass sucking goat whore?

Ironic, since he keeps ignoring me.

I'm not ignoring you, but you can't expect me to respond to every comment in a timely fashion.

When you spew out so much shit the rest of the time it's an easy mistake to make.

Skeeter, if you are producing and selling all your goods in-house, you're not exporting anything and you won't be making any money.

They aren't. They are selling maybe 20% of their goods in house. That's not desirable, true, but they still need to in order to make this all work out.

Still no explanation of where they got this massive monopoly from... Sounds like an asspull to me.

[avianmosquito]

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

I'm not going to bother. I'm more disappointed that he didn't have enough respect to fullfill this one request than irritated to be seing him. It doesn't really matter, I'm not suprised about either.

[Norade]

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

I'm not going to bother. I'm more disappointed that he didn't have enough respect to fullfill this one request than irritated to be seing him. It doesn't really matter, I'm not suprised about either.

Respect is earned you rancid sack of donkey semen. You get no respect because you've shown yourself to be barely capable human being.

[avianmosquito]

You can ask him not to reply all you want; you can't make him listen to you.

I'm not going to bother. I'm more disappointed that he didn't have enough respect to fullfill this one request than irritated to be seing him. It doesn't really matter, I'm not suprised about either.

Respect is earned you rancid sack of donkey semen. You get no respect because you've shown yourself to be barely capable human being.

Well, maybe not that you understand (at least partially) why you don't respect me, maybe you'll understand why I don't respect you.

Now let's just stop fighting, this thread has gotten off-topic, and your appearance has only made it more off-topic. (Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not blaming you.)

This is now going nowhere, so I'm going to drop it and go do something else. Like play with my daughter, or maybe have sex with my wife? Maybe even visit the grandparents I came all the way out here to visit?

[Ritterin Sophia]

Simply put, it's a good weapon,

Oh come off it. No military wants an assault rifle that on full auto expends a 30-round mag in one damn second or an LMG that expends a 100-round belt in under three.

Later, the weapon was used against the Yutani Empire (Yutani Serenity being one of the primary antagonists in the series) and worked beautifully, particularly when Yutani seemingly pulled transhumans out of her ass and started using them. How she did this is a major spoiler, it's not going here, but the point is she did, and actually made the technology better by coming up with a way to induce the grade-one mutation via clustermunition.

I wonder if Wayland-Yutani had anything to do with this?

[avianmosquito]

Simply put, it's a good weapon,

Oh come off it. No military wants an assault rifle that on full auto expends a 30-round mag in one damn second or an LMG that expends a 100-round belt in under three.

The assault rifle is designed for tri-burst. The full-auto is for emergency suppression, where you need to spray off a magazine and use the opening to run like hell. The marines don't even use it then, pulse rifle full-auto has only been used once in any of my writing, and then it's because the marine using the gun was alone and had a horde of necros, which in hindsight was only about 200 and therefore a little small to be called a horde, coming at her and a 60-round drum full of API in her hand.

EDIT: I should note it also failed to make a dent in the mass of bodies coming towards her.

Also, the LMG has been cut.

Later, the weapon was used against the Yutani Empire (Yutani Serenity being one of the primary antagonists in the series) and worked beautifully, particularly when Yutani seemingly pulled transhumans out of her ass and started using them. How she did this is a major spoiler, it's not going here, but the point is she did, and actually made the technology better by coming up with a way to induce the grade-one mutation via clustermunition.

I wonder if Wayland-Yutani had anything to do with this?

Wayland-Yutani? Isn't that from the alien series?

[Covenant]

Why would you burn the whole mag to suppress fire? If you mean create an opening as in 'carve a hole' then I understand it a bit better since you seem to be referencing zombies (where creating a hole would be a corridor for escape through the horde), but if you mean to 'make an opening' as in suppressing people, I'm not sure why you'd want to burn the mag for that unless there's multiple of you with lots of ammo, as firing to suppress is only going to work as long as you have bullets to fire. Firing more slowly and at a more irregular rate is going to keep someone's head down more than about two seconds of loud noise followed by silence.

At least that's how I've always understood it working and how NATO approaches it. I've never personally been in fire, I've only heard tell.

Also, I think again that it's important to take criticism as a "demo mode" of the book. If this wide spectrum of people are having problems believing the plausibility then you're going to run into similar issues later. It would be more valuable to you (and less frustrating for the community) if you said what you'd thought up so far and then fielded questions and responses. I doubt it's actually direly important for this one family to be in charge of this corporation, for for this corporation to actually 'own' all this. It'll stretch your credibility and make storytelling harder.

This is a pretty massive form of control, even in fiction. Kojima's big-baddies of Metal Gear, the Patriots, didn't actually own countries directly, and the Patriots even put the Illuminati to shame. Might you not get the same general benefit with a lot more plausibility and storytelling potential if you picked something less expansive?

Even if you justify it in your book by saying "This and this happened," unless it makes sense to the reader you're just going to break their Suspension of Disbelief and make life harder for you.

[Ritterin Sophia]

The full-auto is for emergency suppression, where you need to spray off a magazine and use the opening to run like hell.

I should note it also failed to make a dent in the mass of bodies coming towards her.

Well that should be a duh, 1-2 seconds of fire doesn't qualify as suppression, which would beg the question of why have it at all?

Also, the LMG has been cut.

Well at least you concede that little piece of stupid.

Wayland-Yutani? Isn't that from the alien series?

Yes.

[Spoonist]

particularly when Yutani seemingly pulled transhumans out of her ass and started using them.
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Wayland-Yutani? Isn't that from the alien series?

Yes. Ever heard of google, or wiki?

That name alone hurts the suspension of disbelief, you better change it. Two major fandom references in one name is a big turn-off unless actually a related fanfic crossover.

Also since its "producing" transhumans it would have been even more fun and less explicit if you did a merge like Yutadyne.

[avianmosquito]

particularly when Yutani seemingly pulled transhumans out of her ass and started using them.
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Wayland-Yutani? Isn't that from the alien series?

Yes. Ever heard of google, or wiki?

That name alone hurts the suspension of disbelief, you better change it. Two major fandom references in one name is a big turn-off unless actually a related fanfic crossover.

Also since its "producing" transhumans it would have been even more fun and less explicit if you did a merge like Yutadyne.

Well, considering I gave Yutani Serenity, Yutani Sakura and Yutani Sonya their names 5 years ago, and hadn't seen Aliens until 3 years ago, it seems unlikely that I took it from them.

[Norade]

Ignore.

[Norade]

Well, maybe not that you understand (at least partially) why you don't respect me, maybe you'll understand why I don't respect you.

Now let's just stop fighting, this thread has gotten off-topic, and your appearance has only made it more off-topic. (Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not blaming you.)

This is now going nowhere, so I'm going to drop it and go do something else. Like play with my daughter, or maybe have sex with my wife? Maybe even visit the grandparents I came all the way out here to visit?

I didn't come in here asking for advice, and then ignoring it when people tell me that it might be best to start over again. Nor do I give two shits about your respect.

This isn't a fight, this is me coming in trying to, in the most brutal of ways show you that your ideas plainly suck. Go back, take the parts you feel are strongest and give it another go. Then come back and maybe, you'll get a little less venom thrown your way when you have some better material.

Why do we give a shit what you're doing...?

Well, considering I gave Yutani Serenity, Yutani Sakura and Yutani Sonya their names 5 years ago, and hadn't seen Aliens until 3 years ago, it seems unlikely that I took it from them.

That doesn't matter, you should change it anyway.

[Simon_Jester]

While it could make for an interesting story I personally find that your concept is fundamentaly flawed in several respects.

As are all ideas.

Skeet, I have seen so very many ideas better than your story ideas that it beggars the imagination. And most of the ones that are worse came from children.

The scenario is a bit more complicated than that. At this point, these corporations are vying for control of a smaller number of more important targets. (Think of it like Monopoly. The company that created the 3WU was going for everything from Medditerranian-New York, most of the others were fighting over Park Place and Boardwalk.)

ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!