Prototype and Saints Row

[gamer]

As for Warhammer40k
1. Yes, unless magic (magic isn't realistic either) is involved you need to have a helmet on when in space to protect your precious body from the non-existant pressure, radiation, extreme temperatures, and the fact there is no oxygen in space, I should not have to explain why, basic common sense should tell you why.

I'm going to quote something, and maybe I'm wasting my time, and maybe it doesn't really matter, but this is for gamer and the "sci-fi isn't real, and therefore not quantifiable" argument that he keeps using, some one feel free to slap me if I'm being an idiot.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ~ Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - )

I'm a sucker for good quotes.

PS Third ninja edit.

I use to dismiss magic tech as "not quantifiable" as well, but then I discovered that I had an imagination.

I guess you missed the point I was making, the point was that just because it isn't realistic doesn't mean it can't be used as long as it actually fits. For example the Hulk isn't realistic but no one in their right mind will say the Hulk gets killed by an Imperial guardsmen because getting powers from radiation isn't possible and so he's actually just a normal person, instead we look at the evidence presented in both universes for both factions and use that.

[gamer]

i'm a little disappointed you see to refer making up vague stuff instead of the actual numbers i gave you last page.

particularly since every time someone points out the saint's will loose you change the rules to give them more of a chance.

The numbers weren't really necessary for what I was trying to show which is that in both gameplay and outside of gameplay the Boss is superhuman, your calcs just show how superhuman he/she is.

And no, I haven't changed the scenario, I did add an alternative scenario if Mercer=auto lose then in the alternate scenario assume Mercer isn't particularly interested.

[Metahive]

The Boss is definitely superhuman even without the ingame invulnerability to bullets and such, in dialogue they mention that you are superhuman for example in a Genki Bowl mission you can hear the announcers talking about you one of them says, "you will not believe how many times this former gangster has been shot, stabbed, blown up, ran over, and burned up".

I'm not inclined to take the excited rambling of a game show host as gospel.

Also cutscenes show definite superhuman abilities like sky diving without a parachute to nose dive into an oncoming cargo plane (the Boss tries to slam his/her head through the window but misses and just face plants into the body of the plane a normal man would have simply been splattered the Boss on the other hand isn't even hurt in the slightest), or in that same mission surviving a fall from thousands of feet in the air inside a tank with no parachute, or in that same mission how easy it was for you to steal a tank (the second time you steal a tank while it is freefalling you kill the gunner and with one hand pull up the hatch and hop in.

The tank, despite surely weighing several tons, survives the fall too, in fact, as you steal the tank, more of them are dropped after you in pursuit as well as STAG troopers without parachutes who only end up dead on the ground because you shot them on the way down. The whole universe of SR3 runs on cartoon physics. The Boss doesn't stick out.

All of this just one mission, even the "normal" stuff you do you are capable of carrying weapons like gatling guns as big as men (the Boss is somehow capable of using a weapon only the Brutes (8 foot tall giants that throw cars) are seen capable of using), and double barrel automatic grenade launchers (only Luchadores steroid boosted specialists are seen carrying this gun) or carjack people by delivering a flying kick to their windows while they are driving towards you and literally kicking them out of their cars and taking over. So the Boss is definitely superhuman.

Nope, that's just gameplay again. Gameplay is irrelevant. Otherwise you'd have to explain things like where the Boss sticks all those weapons, including RPG launchers and sniper rifles he/she can carry around all at once. A personal TARDIS?

As for the Saints megacorp status in SR3 the Saints and Ultor merged together becoming the Saints-Ultor Group so technically they are now a mega-corp and yes the Saints-Ultor Media Group also provides weapons and vehicles for the Steelport National Guard, as the Saint of all Saints and the letters "Ult" can be seen printed on their weapons and their vehicles. The zombie gas and supercomputer were also products of Ultor, but it doesn't matter since the boss now has access to both the zombie gas and supercomputer not that this matters in anyway for this vs.debate.

Nope again, if they were one single entity, why is it that the Boss has to accumulate riches the hard way again once the Syndicate erases their accounts instead of, um, just phoning Mr. Gryphon and asking for it? Why aren't Masakos coming to the Saints' help? Also, where is it said that Ultor produced that toxic gas from Zombie Attack? And even if they did, my point stands. The Saints should just have asked Ultor for a batch then instead of having to procure one from the Steelport industrial district. Face it, the Saints are just a sub-contractor of Ultor at best.

The SR3 universe doesn't contain much logic, internal or external, even when compared to its predecessors that's why I'd ignore it altogether.

ETA:
By the time the Red Faction games come around, it's just Ultor again, so the Saints were not able to leave a lasting impact, not even their "superhuman" boss.