nBSG - New Episode

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2006-01-07 07:21pm

I just noticed something about Adama's plan to get Caine. The exact same thing happened to him last season.

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2006-01-07 07:22pm

Grasscutter wrote:
Thag wrote:
Faram wrote: But straped on missiles would spoil the stealth profile, my bet is that it is armed with the same guns as all the other fighters.
They do say in the planning session that putting nukes on the blackbird would kill the stealth profile, so they're going with conventional rounds. My money would be on those smaller rockets from hand of god, you could probably shoehorn them in between the body and the engine pods.
I think it's not a matter of attached nukes breaking the stealth profile, but rather that the Cylons can scan for and detect nuclear warheads. The Colonials have demonstrated the ability in "33" when they detected a nuclear device on the Olympic Carrier.

Radiological Alarm I belive it was.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-07 07:23pm

Raxmei wrote:I just noticed something about Adama's plan to get Caine. The exact same thing happened to him last season.

Save for the "in the head" part. Perhaps he wants to make sure Cain does not survive, as he did.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2006-01-07 08:50pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Raxmei wrote:I just noticed something about Adama's plan to get Caine. The exact same thing happened to him last season.
Save for the "in the head" part. Perhaps he wants to make sure Cain does not survive, as he did.

Maybe he figures "hey, it worked on me, there's a good chance it'll work on her."

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2006-01-07 09:04pm

Code Orange?

It seems to me that there are only a few courses of action:

1. The Resurrection ship doesn't get destroyed, BSG and BSP suffer horrendous casualties, and limp away without devolving into internecine warfare. Unlikely to happen, considering what the promos showed.

And, assuming the Resurrection ship is destroyed:

2. Cain's coup go on as planned. Adama is killed. Not bloody likely.
(It'd be kind of funny if Adama gets incapacitated again, though)

3. Adama's coup go on as planned. Cain is killed or captured (probably more likely). Adama is the De Gaulle who gives the Pegasus to the people who had suffered in Cain's purges the most, and takes command over humanity after Rosilyn dies.

4. Cain/Adama's coup(s) fail. Civil war.

5. Human compromise?

Additionally, I don't think that the Resurrection ship is the cat's pajamas. Six may be lying, or the Cylons can always send more. But if it does get destroyed, this entire season could be about the irony of humans finding out that in end, robot holocaust or not, we are our worst enemy.

AK_Jedi · Post by **AK_Jedi** » 2006-01-07 09:07pm

Arrow wrote:
Skylon wrote:
Arrow wrote: I believe BSP is 62, while BSG is 75. Judging from that, BSP replaced an older Battlestar or other capital ship.
The BSG number refers to Battlestar Group (similar to carrier groups I suppose) according to Ron Moore's blog, not a registry number. You can also spot it on some charts in "Water".
Yeah, I know. Which is why I said Pegasus had replaced an older ship - if it had a number larger than Galactic's, then it would have been part of a newer group.

I don't think that the number has any relation to order commisioned or anything like that. Remember that the Galactica was one of the 12 original battlestars. This means that the numbers are either completely arbitrary, or the Galactica was renumbered at some point.

In regards to Blackbird's weapons, I would be surprised if they put any guns on it. The Blackbird doesn't have anything that resembles the gun ports on the Mk II, VII, or raiders. This means that it will probably only have missiles for the big mission.

On a completely unrelated note, is it just me, or does the Pegasus' design look a lot like an anime design?

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2006-01-07 09:32pm

To point out what Broomstick said about Adama sending Kara on basicly a suicide mission. He tells her to take Lee with him, to watch her back. He is sending his son and essentially his daughter on a suicide mission.

Oh, and for those who mocked my sig. Piss off! Adama orders assassinations when he needs to!

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-07 09:42pm

Agent Fisher wrote:To point out what Broomstick said about Adama sending Kara on basicly a suicide mission. He tells her to take Lee with him, to watch her back. He is sending his son and essentially his daughter on a suicide mission.

He probably knows that Lee would go anyways, whether he ordered him to or not. It is still pretty much a suicide mission though, unless Adama thinks that Cain has been so tyrannical to her crew that they won't respond badly to her assassination right in front of them (which, actually, is possible, although I wouldn't count on it.)

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-07 10:11pm

Noble Ire wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:To point out what Broomstick said about Adama sending Kara on basicly a suicide mission. He tells her to take Lee with him, to watch her back. He is sending his son and essentially his daughter on a suicide mission.
He probably knows that Lee would go anyways, whether he ordered him to or not. It is still pretty much a suicide mission though, unless Adama thinks that Cain has been so tyrannical to her crew that they won't respond badly to her assassination right in front of them (which, actually, is possible, although I wouldn't count on it.)

They're the two best qualified people. He trusts both, and both love and trust him, even if they may have alternate beliefs on what is the best way. Kara is capable of doing this and has Cain's trust, while Lee is never going to let anything happen to her. Better them than a nameless marine he figures.

Given the executions and whatnot, it seems pretty much that Cain rules through fear of Red-Army style reprisals.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-01-07 10:24pm

Notice that Cain ordered her XO to terminate Adama's command, starting with Adama himself. I assume that includes Tigh.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-07 10:32pm

Galvatron wrote:Notice that Cain ordered her XO to terminate Adama's command, starting with Adama himself. I assume that includes Tigh.

I interpereted it as 'cleanse the bridge'. Dualla, Gaeta and that chief of the boat guy that hangs around sometimes.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-01-07 10:39pm

Another snag that just occurred to me is Cain's promise to Starbuck that they'd return to the 12 colonies and liberate them. I know her loyalties are with Adama, but I wouldn't be surprised if Starbuck hesitates to blow away their only chance of returning home.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-01-07 10:51pm

Galvatron wrote:Another snag that just occurred to me is Cain's promise to Starbuck that they'd return to the 12 colonies and liberate them. I know her loyalties are with Adama, but I wouldn't be surprised if Starbuck hesitates to blow away their only chance of returning home.

Perhaps, but I think that Starbuck realizes Cain is insane, or if she didn't before, what Tigh learned would probably convince her. She's rational enough to realize that you can't trust someone who orders the summary execution of her own first officer for trying save a ship and her crew, or slaughtering civvies to intimidate potential crewmen. Tempting as the offer may be, I don't think it will matter when it comes time to pull the trigger, or at least not for long.

jeanbaptiste · Post by **jeanbaptiste** » 2006-01-07 10:57pm

Is it just me or does Cain seem to have an enormous hardon for Six?

It almost seems like something personal happened between them as opposed to Six just being exposed as a cylon mole.

xammer99 · Post by **xammer99** » 2006-01-07 11:11pm

Skylon wrote:
StarshipTitanic wrote:I wonder how the basestars will fare against the battlestars. Basestars don't appear to be built for slugging matches, but for lobbing missiles and fighters at the enemy.
Galactica's been reluctant to engage even one Basestar several times in the series, so I'd guess they are more than evenly matched. The only Basestar destroyed so far was using a nuke and a Raptor plus Cylon transponder ("Kobol's Last Gleaming").

I would not in the slightest take that as meaning Galactica couldn't shred a basestar. More along the lines of Adama knows he has exactly 1 warship and doesn't want it getting beaten up if he doesn't have too. So while 1 basestar might be doable, it would leave BSG damaged and vulnerable to the next one.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-07 11:13pm

Don't forget Galactica's babysitting a fleet, has a shortage of parts, and is VERY under compliment on fighters. She also only has (as of now) three high-yield warehads.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-08 12:53am

Another thing to consider about him sending Lee and Kara - Cain knows that assassinating him is a sucide missions. Who here would honestly believe a man would send his only son and someone who ammounts to being his daughter on a suicide mission? So Cain won't suspect them, giving them a greater chance to succeed.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-01-08 01:29am

There was a Pegasus in the original 12 Battlestars, was there not? Does that not led some evidence to the idea that this Pegasus was perhaps a replacement for the older Pegasus.

The Chief when he was getting beaten by Tigh after coming back from Kobal said he served on Pegasus. Wonder which ship he served on. He hasn't made a comment about serving on this Pegasus. Perhaps the other one?

As everyone else said, I'm sure Adama knows he has one ship with limited supplies and a fleet to protect which is why he hasn't had the idea of using Galactica in too many risky ops. Question though...it's still going to be a one on one fight between Galactica and one out of two basestars, plus raiders (which they HOPE will be decoyed) and whatever defenses (if any) are on the Res ship. Seems like it's still a gamble. Perhaps Pegasus' newer design is more than a match for a single basestar, giving the odds a greater chance?

This is a totally off the subject comment, but I do have a burning question. Does anyone have any idea what kind of defenses Galactica has? A kind of minimal shield, or is it just armor? The reason I ask is because she took several major missile hits in "Scattered" but we never saw any damage on the hull like we do on the starboard flight pod, and no reports of major damage were reported. (It's also odd that the Cylons were nuke happy in the mini, but have since switched to conventional weapons. Perhaps they ran out)

Enough ramblings for the night. Bed time.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-01-08 01:31am

CaptJodan wrote:There was a Pegasus in the original 12 Battlestars, was there not? Does that not led some evidence to the idea that this Pegasus was perhaps a replacement for the older Pegasus.

There was a Pegasus in the original series. It has not been stated in neoBSG whether or not there was a Pegasus among the original twelve Battlestars.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-08 01:42am

The 12 battlestars refers to the 'Columbia' class, which Galactica is a member. Pegasus is apparently a postwar 'Mercury' class ship with 8 sisters.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2006-01-08 02:11am

CaptJodan wrote:This is a totally off the subject comment, but I do have a burning question. Does anyone have any idea what kind of defenses Galactica has? A kind of minimal shield, or is it just armor? The reason I ask is because she took several major missile hits in "Scattered" but we never saw any damage on the hull like we do on the starboard flight pod, and no reports of major damage were reported.

It has a very good CIWS system, and hellacious armor. It shrugged of a 50 KT direct hit with minimal damage, remember?

(It's also odd that the Cylons were nuke happy in the mini, but have since switched to conventional weapons. Perhaps they ran out)

They are quite a way away from the colonies at this point, and we know the colonies are still fighting. My guess is that the nukes get shipped out to the "front lines" at the colonies first and foremost, sent to hunt the fleet after that. Thus not as many available.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2006-01-08 02:38am

Wow.
What an episode.

I'm surprised the President didn't publicly over an open frequency call Pegasus and releive Admiral Cain of command. She is citing regulations and how they can't possibly deviate from them (which might mean there is no POW convention in the 12 colonies) which would suggest she would have no grounds to fall back on if called on it.

I mean one would exepct the President of the Colonies, a position Cain has publicly endorsed Roslin in, to have the power to releive any military officer of command at any time. If she publicly announced it, I could even see XO releiving her of command, citing the chain of command. Because frankly I can see most of the crew of the Pegasus grasping onto that chain of command to try and justify to themselves every single thing they've done thus far. I.E. the Nuremberg defence.

Still, I think Cain has underestimated Adama. And of course has placed her faith in the wrong person in *her* XO. Who frankly looks like he is crying for help from Tigh. God I hope he stays around, perhaps as the new commander of Pegasus, if she stays for a while in the series.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-08 03:03am

Ender wrote:
CaptJodan wrote:This is a totally off the subject comment, but I do have a burning question. Does anyone have any idea what kind of defenses Galactica has? A kind of minimal shield, or is it just armor? The reason I ask is because she took several major missile hits in "Scattered" but we never saw any damage on the hull like we do on the starboard flight pod, and no reports of major damage were reported.
It has a very good CIWS system, and hellacious armor. It shrugged of a 50 KT direct hit with minimal damage, remember?

(It's also odd that the Cylons were nuke happy in the mini, but have since switched to conventional weapons. Perhaps they ran out)
They are quite a way away from the colonies at this point, and we know the colonies are still fighting. My guess is that the nukes get shipped out to the "front lines" at the colonies first and foremost, sent to hunt the fleet after that. Thus not as many available.

Perhaps their nuclear tipped missiles are more easilly intercepted. Slower, or bigger, or easier to track with DRADIS because of the BSGverse's rather powerful radiological sensors. However those work.

We see Galactica getting pelted by a few conventional missiles that break through her PD several times, so I'm assuming those have better penaids or are just plain faster.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-01-08 03:04am

If I recall, when Galactica got hit by nukes in the Miniseries, it was before she had ammo for most of her turrets at Ragnar.

Calrissian · Post by **Calrissian** » 2006-01-08 08:55am

Re: nukes against Galactica.

It would be highly inefficient to start launching nukes at Galactica, since almost all of them would be destroyed prior to impact by the point defence 'wall of fire' system.

I'd assume that whatever part of the Galaxy you're from, making nukes is costly and they are thus very sparingly used.
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As for 2x11 as a whole...

Very impressed, and glad that Moore decided to allow himself the liberty of stretching things to the next ep'. Makes no sense to cram good quality into just 1 episode - something so many shows do too often.

For the moment, I'm very happy with things, there is a lot going on, and it looks like there is great potential for the rest of this season*

*I'd assume that within a month we'll probably get official confirm' that season '3 is a 'GO!', which will of course please a great many

Calrissian: Loving the show