nBSG: LDYB Pt 2 thread

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-10 11:47pm

Ron Moore has restored my faith in TV.

Just fracking WOW...I kept thinking "dream sequence" but no such mercy would be mine. The whole dynamic has changed...

Sabastian Tombs · Post by **Sabastian Tombs** » 2006-03-10 11:48pm

That final monologue reminds me of The Humanoids by Fred Williamson. The robots decide they are going to serve and protect you and that they don't need your imput on how to go about doing it.

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2006-03-10 11:50pm

AND THE CYLONS WIN!!!!!!!

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-03-10 11:51pm

Fucking hell!

I'm really glad I didn't read any of the spoilers posted around here, but even without that, the nuke detonation sent me skidding off the rails in the opening credits.

I believe I now understand why this was considered to be a risky move on the part of Moore. You're asking the audience for a lot. To be able to jump ahead when you've been plodding along in the story at a much slower pace, then suddenly WHAM, you've got about 10,000 souls dead, reestablishment on a shitty world, everyone in a different place, you name it. I dare say it would strain credibilty somewhat to have everyone end up back where they were before even if they can rescue those on New Caprica. In any event, you know the oBSG purist nutjobs will jump on this and decry it as an abomination.

I think it'll take me a bit to process this one. There was a hell of a lot of story here. My initial reaction was that everything flowed almost too quickly, but that could be because of the year jump. Up until that point it didn't seem too bad. But so many things by that point had been turned on it's head as to be completely fucked up.

Nicely played on the part of the Cylons, though. Very nicely played. There's your plan.

I wonder where Sharon is in all this. Possibly STILL in Galactica's brig? That'd be my best guess. We didn't see her around.

So much to process. Brain melt down.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-10 11:52pm

As of this moment the scifi.com boards have crashed...apparently the fans have something to say.

npisd · Post by **npisd** » 2006-03-10 11:52pm

Considering Helo's still on the Galactica, Sharon's probably still in the brig.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-03-10 11:53pm

*frizzzfffff*

That's the sound of the aftermath of a mindfuck. Whoa. Did not see that last half hour coming, not by a long shot. My only complaint is what they did to Baltar's character; sure, a Baltar presidency would've been disastrous but they turned it into a total 2-dimensional incompetant, corrupt, childish trainwreck. Kinda like the Bush administration. So I guess it isn't entirely without precident.

Now, on to business:

OH DEAR SWEET MOTHER OF GOD HOLY JESUS MOTHERFUCK OH GOD NO BSG UNTIL OCTOBER AAUUAUAUGHGH!!!1

*.45 ACP seppuku*

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-03-10 11:53pm

npisd wrote:Considering Helo's still on the Galactica, Sharon's probably still in the brig.

Yeah, that'd be my guess as well.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-10 11:53pm

CaptJodan wrote:I wonder where Sharon is in all this. Possibly STILL in Galactica's brig? That'd be my best guess. We didn't see her around.

So much to process. Brain melt down.

She has to be alive, or Helo probably wouldn't be on Adama's bridge.

Moore made the right decision to abandon the fleet being chased plot. He simply couldn't have sustained that for much longer; already at this forum we were tiring of the nebulous Cylon plan that had no resolution.

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2006-03-10 11:54pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
OH DEAR SWEET MOTHER OF GOD HOLY JESUS MOTHERFUCK OH GOD NO BSG UNTIL OCTOBER AAUUAUAUGHGH!!!1

*.45 ACP seppuku*

NO, Brother-Captain, don't do it! If you do it, you'll never get to see the next season!!

Sabastian Tombs · Post by **Sabastian Tombs** » 2006-03-10 11:54pm

I think that 39,000+ population only referred to New Caprica City. The other 10,000 could still be in orbit with the fleet.

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2006-03-10 11:54pm

That final monologue reminds me of The Humanoids by Fred Williamson. The robots decide they are going to serve and protect you and that they don't need your imput on how to go about doing it.

Sounds like the ideal world for whoever someone having a political argument with.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-03-10 11:54pm

Steven Snyder wrote:As of this moment the scifi.com boards have crashed...apparently the fans have something to say.

::silently hopes that DW paid the SDN bill this month::

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2006-03-10 11:55pm

Also Duella moved from Petty office to LT. and she looks hot in an officers uniform.

BTW What happened to Zarek? Did Tyrol oust him as leader of the revolution ?

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-10 11:55pm

Sabastian Tombs wrote:I think that 39,000+ population only referred to New Caprica City. The other 10,000 could still be in orbit with the fleet.

I think those 10,000 were placed in orbit when the nuke went off...

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-10 11:56pm

Trying to calm down and make some notes...

- It looked like Tyrol was becoming a Trotsky-type revolutionary.

- Duella apparently is now an officer based on the uniform. Guess they really got short on personnel, course frakkin' Commander Apollo helps.

- Wonder where Boomer ended up. Still on Galactica? Helo apparently stuck it out on the Bucket.

- "People change"...yeah, Jesus, I never thought I'd see Starbuck as happy as she was to see Col. Tigh of all people.

- Gaeta. Okay guys, he's not a Cylon. At least I doubt it. He's always apparently simply had a respect or liking for Baltar. I think he might be gay to be perfectly honest and have a little hard-on for Baltar.

- I was going to say I was pissed that the destruction of Cloud 9 was spoiled by the opening credits, but the episode provided so many other shocks to blow my brain that I can live with that.

- I suspect Olmos just got tired of shaving the moustache off and will be sticking with it through season 3.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-10 11:56pm

Sabastian Tombs wrote:I think that 39,000+ population only referred to New Caprica City. The other 10,000 could still be in orbit with the fleet.

A significant portion of the population could have been wiped out by the nuclear explosion. The Cloud 9 was the largest habitable ship (there's a mining ship from the classic series that's as large or larger, but probably not as hospitable), and several other ships were hit by wreakage.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-10 11:57pm

Two things...

Leobin was specifically looking for Kara Thrace, but I don't think he holds any malice as she wasn't the one who threw him out the airlock...I think he wants to talk with her more.

Cally is PREGNANT! Go Tyrol!

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-10 11:57pm

Skylon wrote:- I was going to say I was pissed that the destruction of Cloud 9 was spoiled by the opening credits, but the episode provided so many other shocks to blow my brain that I can live with that.

Heh, sweet vindication. I knew watching those teasers was a bad idea.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-10 11:58pm

Steven Snyder wrote:Leobin was specifically looking for Kara Thrace, but I don't think he holds any malice as she wasn't the one who threw him out the airlock...I think he wants to talk with her more.

Of course, she is the one who tortured him.

Haruko · Post by **Haruko** » 2006-03-11 12:01am

CaptJodan wrote:In any event, you know the oBSG purist nutjobs will jump on this and decry it as an abomination.

Screw them.

CaptJodan wrote:I think it'll take me a bit to process this one. There was a hell of a lot of story here. My initial reaction was that everything flowed almost too quickly, but that could be because of the year jump. Up until that point it didn't seem too bad. But so many things by that point had been turned on it's head as to be completely fucked up.

I loved it. Absolutely loved it. The amount of "Oh my gods, that didn't just happen" moments broke a record for one episode or movie.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-11 12:01am

StarshipTitanic wrote:Of course, she is the one who tortured him.

This I cannot deny, but mind you that he was a willing participant in that torture. He demonstrated quite clearly he could have broken his restraints and killed Starbuck at anytime.

...this also makes me wonder where Kara's ovaries have gone too...

OrneryRooster · Post by **OrneryRooster** » 2006-03-11 12:01am

What an incredible finale.

My favorite scene was when Adama was telling Roslin that the election couldn't stand, even though having Baltar be President was the worst possible outcome. That was some of the best acting I've ever seen on television or in the movies. As I was watching Adama and Roslin's dialogue, I kept thinking to myself that these two really know how to fucking act.

When I first saw the "One year later" after Baltar was elected, I kept waiting for the bad dream sequence to end, but it never did. Frankly, what's happened isn't a bad dream, it's a nightmare. Humanity is now reduced to living in one huge tent city.

I feel sorry for Baltar. His character was always deliciously self-centered, who was naughty yet somehow sympathetic at the same time. Now he's just a lonely man, and this was hammered home in the one shot of him in his presidential seat with noone in attendance; he was all alone in his office. I wonder what the writers have in store for his character.

As for the Cylons showing up, I'm sure there'll be a battle when Galactica and Pegasus show up again, and the colonists will once again be on the run, in search of Earth.

I can't wait for October to come.

Haruko · Post by **Haruko** » 2006-03-11 12:02am

Skylon wrote:- I was going to say I was pissed that the destruction of Cloud 9 was spoiled by the opening credits, but the episode provided so many other shocks to blow my brain that I can live with that.

Turns out I was fortunate to miss the opening.

ngc7293 · Post by **ngc7293** » 2006-03-11 12:03am

1. They should make all nBSG episodes 90 minutes. Every week, it just seems that the show is too short.
2. Once they started the "one year later" thing, I figured they were going to roll through the main characters. For the most part they did. They skipped Boomer and Helo (well the prison Boomer)............I just happen to be a big fan of Grace Park.
3. Anyone know what number 'AL' is? I assumed that since he is "older" that he would be either 1 or 2.

4.I don't mind a lot of 'Low Teching', but paper tickets and Padlocks? I know it pushes the whole 'fixed election' because it gives the viewer something tangible. Yet all those ships are packed with people, where do people VOTE at. I guess I am getting tired of everything under the sun being Low Tech.

And Yet....And Yet...I just can not WAIT for the next season!