nBSG Episode 319: "Crossroads, Part II"...

[Covenant]

Frankly, if the 7 can't reproduce, and the 5 can, how are the 7 supposed to know that the 5 can?

It's possible these are two antagonistic factions, that they were 5 models that got messed with by Earth (ala Cybuck) or that they were a failed experiment that got washed out in some variety.

Regardless, the 7 have issues breeding, but can. Love is the missing article in the equation, but we can assume Cally and Tyrol love each other as much as humans do, and it's also possible that it needs to be a Cylon female because the important bits happen in the womb, and all you get otherwise is just a bog standard human. I doubt this.

I think that the 7 just don't know what the 5 are up to, and wouldn't have any clue. Plus, maybe the final 5 aren't humaniform robots at all, but just minorly altered humans.

Plus, all the bitching and moaning about Tigh and Tyrol not possibly being Cylon models isn't true in the slightest. We don't have an authoritative record of Saul's entire life so there's going to be one time or another that he could have been swapped, especially if the writers add in a scene where Saul gets drunk, goes home, finds another Saul, and gets hit on the head. We just don't know enough, and it's grotesquely foolish to claim that so-and-so can't be a domo arigato robot just because they weren't one from birth. I don't think most of the Cylons were. I think they were swaps.

[NeoGoomba]

I saw Pres. participating in the dream because of the Cylon infusion she got. Perhaps she got a little more than just blood.

For the Cylons though, I have to say that they don't really have anyone with that grand "adversary" persona the villains need, even with the Five tossed in. I don't mean over the top, mustache-twirling, oBSG Baltar-style villain, but someone with the charisma and presence to be a credible threat. The Cylons are all sorta weak, they seem more like dangerous children from Lord of the Flies, except now with nukes and FTL. The closest we have is Cavil, who's a great character, and Dean Stockwell rules, but he just doesn't have that "oomph". He's more like the tired babysitter of the rest, especially when he had to "ground" the Xena model.

I suppose I was hoping the fifth Cylon would be a new, yet commanding, strong, intimidating character. Oh well, who knows what next friggen year will bring.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I suppose I was hoping the fifth Cylon would be a new, yet commanding, strong, intimidating character.

One of the final five is Admiral Cain.

[neoolong]

I suppose I was hoping the fifth Cylon would be a new, yet commanding, strong, intimidating character.

One of the final five is Admiral Cain.

Honestly, that would be an awesome mindfuck. If they could come up with why Cain went to war with all the Cylons. Although, if there really was a break amongst the Cylons, they may be at war with each other.

[NeoGoomba]

One of the final five is Admiral Cain.

See, now Michelle Forbes could have pulled that off. Hell, she friggen did. Someone in an older threat mentioned Rutger Hauer, and goddamn someone with that sort of presence would rock in the "adversary" roll.

[SylasGaunt]

A thought I had was maybe the reason the others don't talk about the final five is because the cylon programming didn't take? They don't mention it because they were placed in the colonies and never reported back and never respawned?

[neoolong]

Man, I'm suprised nobody just decided to shank Baltar. Being declared not guily is hardly going to make everyone forgive him.

[HSRTG]

At least Tigh had the courage to say "Fuck you Cylons, I swore an oath and I'm fucking well keeping it". Up a notch on my good character meter.


That's all I can say that I think is good in this episode. Below is what I feel about the rest. I'm pissed off right now, can't think of why. So I'm ranting. I'm probably wrong about at least part of the below, but you know what? I need to get it out of my system.

I'm sorry, I need a notebook to remember who's supposed to be having what hallucination. Also: Didn't Lee fucking well resign? What the fuck is this shit with letting him into a Viper?

WHAT! THE! FUCK! IS! THIS! SHIT! I THOUGHT THE FLIGHT LINE MIGHT BE RESTRICTED TO PEOPLE WHO JUST RESIGNED IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A GODDAMN HUFF!

I'm not voting. I can't decide whether to give this a 1, or a 0. Too much weird-ass trippy shit, not enough of anything else.

Below is my take on characters. Again, more rant. Sorry.

Starbuck's not dead? Fuck you Ronnie. If you're gonna kill off a character, have the goddamn balls to keep it dead. That would've been something resembling originality. Fuck you. Just, fuck you.

President "Cancer" Roslyn. No. Just no. You had that fucking storyline. But I gotta ask, why the fuck didn't she just get more magic cancer-curing baby juice? Sorry, I just can't overlook plot holes the size of Alaska. Or is just deliberately lying under oath about something of extreme personal importance to most people in the fleet? Perhaps she's just deliberately covering up a crippling addiction to a mind-altering substance. Yeah, that makes me realllll sure she's the right person for the second most important job in existence for that universe.

Gaeta. Just make up your fucking mind about the character. This ambiguity isn't about the audience at this point, it's because you don't know what the fuck to do with him. Lying under oath just came from fucking nowhere. Baltar stopped that nuke Gaeta, you could at least be honest when he's in a trial where he loses either way.

Adm. Adama. Yay. Prejudices overcame. Let's see, he can club Cylons to death, which a top-flight pilot at the peak of her physical fitness can't do. He flew Vipers. He lost a son, and has frequent spats with his other one. Also winds up being right most of the time. I'm probably just pissed off right now, but right now I'm not seeing much of a character other than someone that Moore uses as a mouthpiece for one of those "I'm such a badass" speeches.

Random New Cylon Woman: Yeah. That's great. Whatever. Did you have a point with having this particular person exist, or were you just going to have us go "Oh noes, t3h religious fundie President may be in danger"? Sorry. Having a hard time caring.

Baltar. Oh hey guys, I won, I'm so cool. Oh right, thanks too. Wait, you're leaving? What do I do now? What do you mean everyone hates me, and I was safer in a cell? Noooooooo, don't leave me alone! Oh wait, fangirls! Who jeopardized the entire fleet for me! Yay!



Ok, that was therapeutic. If you've read the whole post to here, you have my apologies because it's probably only semi-coherent. I feel better, though.

[Sam Or I]

I refuse to even consider that a possibility. It just sounds so simplistic of an idea.

Not to mention idiotic.

And a making up excuses as why some Cylons can reproduce and some cannot, and taking away from Heras importance (or making up and excuse why this other hybrid is not as important) is not idiotic .

In actuality it is a minor point in the story, which I am willing to bet most people overlooked. There is not a need for a contrived explination and rewriting the rule book. It would make a good 90210 episode pushing Tyrol closer to the cylon side of things, and him loosing his humanity because of it. Going down the other route leaves more loose ends and shakey explinations.

My personal favorite is that they are human and being mind-frakked. I personally like Tyrol and I hope he is not a Cylon.

I think that the 7 just don't know what the 5 are up to, and wouldn't have any clue. Plus, maybe the final 5 aren't humaniform robots at all, but just minorly altered humans.

This is an intresting idea as well. If each of them were born human and some how altered by the Cylons.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Honestly, that would be an awesome mindfuck. If they could come up with why Cain went to war with all the Cylons.

Wouldn't the fact that she would have thought she was human like the rest of them be enough reason?

[neoolong]

Honestly, that would be an awesome mindfuck. If they could come up with why Cain went to war with all the Cylons.

Wouldn't the fact that she would have thought she was human like the rest of them be enough reason?

I would think that they would want something in their sleepers so that they won't completely screw with the others. Killing the odd Cylon is one thing like in Boomer's case, but declaring war on them is another.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Honestly, that would be an awesome mindfuck. If they could come up with why Cain went to war with all the Cylons.

Wouldn't the fact that she would have thought she was human like the rest of them be enough reason?

I would think that they would want something in their sleepers so that they won't completely screw with the others. Killing the odd Cylon is one thing like in Boomer's case, but declaring war on them is another.

What would make her any different than Tigh or Tyrol?

[neoolong]

If they're Cylons. I don't know yet.

But, if they are, you're right.

And back to badass Tigh. Yay.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Also: Didn't Lee fucking well resign? What the fuck is this shit with letting him into a Viper?

Yes, let's deny one of the best pilots a Viper to help defend humanity!

Idiot.

[neoolong]

That was a pretty good ending I think. Makes me definitely want to see the next season. Man it's going to be a long wait. At least the DVD release will sate my appetite a little, and in a one pack for the season intead of split in two I think.

[HSRTG]

Also: Didn't Lee fucking well resign? What the fuck is this shit with letting him into a Viper?

Yes, let's deny one of the best pilots a Viper to help defend humanity!

Let's give a large deadly weapon to someone who essentially threw away everything he had to spite his father. On the advice of someone he hadn't met even a week before. I'm sure he's a perfectly fine person with no issues whatsoever that we should abso-fucking-lutely allow to fly just that one last time. Yeah. Sure. Really. I'm seeing that massive fucking plot hole, errr, crater all the way on the other side of the galaxy.

He sure did a fuckton of defending there too. Killed a lot of Cylons in that dogfight, didn't he?

[SylasGaunt]

I'm sorry, I need a notebook to remember who's supposed to be having what hallucination. Also: Didn't Lee fucking well resign? What the fuck is this shit with letting him into a Viper?

As has been pointed out. When there's a massive cylon fleet closing to utterly ruin your shit you take the pilots you can get, whether they're official or not.

Starbuck's not dead? Fuck you Ronnie. If you're gonna kill off a character, have the goddamn balls to keep it dead. That would've been something resembling originality. Fuck you. Just, fuck you.

I won't comment here because I don't know enough about what's going on with her to give it a fair shake.

President "Cancer" Roslyn. No. Just no. You had that fucking storyline. But I gotta ask, why the fuck didn't she just get more magic cancer-curing baby juice? Sorry, I just can't overlook plot holes the size of Alaska. Or is just deliberately lying under oath about something of extreme personal importance to most people in the fleet? Perhaps she's just deliberately covering up a crippling addiction to a mind-altering substance. Yeah, that makes me realllll sure she's the right person for the second most important job in existence for that universe.

Uhm, what did she lie about again?

Gaeta. Just make up your fucking mind about the character. This ambiguity isn't about the audience at this point, it's because you don't know what the fuck to do with him. Lying under oath just came from fucking nowhere. Baltar stopped that nuke Gaeta, you could at least be honest when he's in a trial where he loses either way.

Uhm this is Gaeta.. remember the guy who was going to Baltar's cell to kill him?

Adm. Adama. Yay. Prejudices overcame. Let's see, he can club Cylons to death, which a top-flight pilot at the peak of her physical fitness can't do.

I can't remember the pilot incident but he did have a rather big ass flashlight in that scene to expedite the clubbing.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

And a making up excuses as why some Cylons can reproduce and some cannot, and taking away from Heras importance (or making up and excuse why this other hybrid is not as important) is not idiotic .

Okay, I'll be frank, get to what's on my mind, and say that a first-reaction hypothetical solution to the issue of Tyrol's son of simply "Cally = whore" really bothers me. I do think it's dumb, but mainly, it just bothers me.

I think a better idea is that the Final Five could be different from the Other Seven in some ways, one of them being fertility.

[JME2]

I hereby nominate Lee's entire speech as my favorite moment of the whole series (with Galactica's jump into New Caprica's atmosphere close behind ).

Now, my thoughts and feelings. Ah, oh fuck? I'm...I'm going to go to sleep and try to process this in the morning. Or even better, go watch End of EVA and see if the mind fucks cancel each other out or what not...Until then, I see no reason not to give it a perfect score. Don't let the rumors of the DTV prove to be false, Mr. Moore. Don't keep us waiting too long.

5/5

[JME2]

Oh, and Spanky? I take back what I said on the first page; the chibi nBSG image is fine again.

[NeoGoomba]

I can't remember the pilot incident but he did have a rather big ass flashlight in that scene to expedite the clubbing.

And the fact that Leoben was already half dead from all the anti-Cylon radiation he was sucking up in that nebula thingy.

[John Chris]

Also: Didn't Lee fucking well resign? What the fuck is this shit with letting him into a Viper?

Saving the fleet from the hordes of toasters, that's what!

Oh yes, and my thoughts on this mindfrakkin' episode.

I liked how Lee's speech swayed the judges enough so that Baltar got acquitted. Of course, that didn't endear itself well with a few people, hence the riot. Baltar being not guilty certainly surprised me. And then he's whisked away by some beautiful girls in red. Lucky dawg!

Power outage: Did someone call in an ion cannon strike and not tell me? 'cause that was definitely something that kept me on the edge of my seat. So yeah, my question is how the entire fleet got pwned by the power outage. If it's a new Cylon weapon, the fleet's frakked.

Starbuck: I knew it! The Asgard were trailing the fleet the whole time and this is proof! More seriously, that was the biggest surprise of all. I never expected her to come back, flying what looks like a shiny new Viper. Lee is going to want a shrink by now...at least after they get to Earth.

The Earth: YAY! We're almost there! I can almost see my house from space! Uh, yeah. We're almost there and I can't wait to see what Moore cooks up for us concerning Earth. But I must wait til 2008! *sobs*

Speaking of Earth, did anyone manage to guess how far the Fleet is from Earth now with the zoom out and in?

[NeoGoomba]

Let's give a large deadly weapon to someone who essentially threw away everything he had to spite his father. On the advice of someone he hadn't met even a week before. I'm sure he's a perfectly fine person with no issues whatsoever that we should abso-fucking-lutely allow to fly just that one last time. Yeah. Sure. Really. I'm seeing that massive fucking plot hole, errr, crater all the way on the other side of the galaxy.

He sure did a fuckton of defending there too. Killed a lot of Cylons in that dogfight, didn't he?

Gee, good thing they also grounded Starbuck. And Cat. And that evil Cylon Athena! No issues there!

Oh wait, shortage of qualified combat pilots, lives on the line...guess they fucked up

[HSRTG]

Uhm, what did she lie about again?

Did she ever get a doctor's confirmation about cancer again? 'Cause I damn sure didn't see it.

[SylasGaunt]

So you're saying that she's guilty of lying under oath solely because you think she's lying about her cancer returning?