nBSG S2:04: "Resistance"

[NecronLord]

I'm acting under the recollection that the Doctor of the Galactica knows both about the cancer and the drugs in which case, it would be turned up by such a 'mental evaluation.'

[Alyeska]

I'm acting under the recollection that the Doctor of the Galactica knows both about the cancer and the drugs in which case, it would be turned up by such a 'mental evaluation.'

Coddle is covering for the President to a degree. The President talked Coddle into helping her escape, yet Coddle blamed Apollo. He's not going to reveal her drug use.

On the other hand, Billy might.

[xerex]

the thing is a military dictatoship under Adama is one thing, a dictatorship under Tigh is another.

[Darth Lucifer]

Ooo, time for a ghetto edit:

For those of you who might wonder, the rules of Triad (or Pyramid according to the new show?) are fairly simple. Of course, the court is three-sided in (I think) the original and this one.

Shit.. you're right. Pyramid was the card game, Triad the ball game. IIRC, they creators based Triad on the Inca(?) ball courts that had been discovered in the early 70s.

Starbuck: "I see one of the priorities of the resistance was building a regulation pyramid court."

That's why LadyTevar and I thought it was Pyramid earlier. Looks like a little name mix-up here.

[StarshipTitanic]

The show mixed the names up, I wasn't trying to correct either of you.

[LadyTevar]

Or at least play the the sounds the guns make to make them more in line with previous weapons displays.

Still, most of the weapons they displayed are not what the public is used to seeing. M-16, AK-47, those are a no-no. But the guns portrayed in the series are ones that very few people could recognize outright. I recognized only three weapons in the entire bit, and I certainly notice more then the average viewer would. I can live with their weapons portrayl.

I didn't recognize any of the weapons, myself.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I frankly don't really pay attention to the weapons at all, even when I do recognise stuff like the P90: I pretty much just let it all slide.

[Vympel]

Starbuck had a pair of these. Anders had a UMP. Helo had an Uzi SMG variant with a stock (real gun, just don't remember the name)- one of the resistance fighters had an L85.

Sucks that I'm not an average viewer. I'm too anal to let it pass without comment. Especially when the pistol that was introduced in the miniseries was so original.

[Agent Fisher]

Starbuck had a pair of these. Anders had a UMP. Helo had an Uzi SMG variant with a stock (real gun, just don't remember the name)- one of the resistance fighters had an L85.

Sucks that I'm not an average viewer. I'm too anal to let it pass without comment. Especially when the pistol that was introduced in the miniseries was so original.

I already pointed those out, but oh well.

[weemadando]

Anders had a UMP.

I did NOT. I never have held such a gun and resent you trying to implicate me in this manner.

*looks around*

Oh. Balls.

As for teh use of firearms in the series, we've reached a decent point in the development of weapons in terms of ergonomics etc, where it is safe to assume that other cultures with identical physiology etc would use a similar design concept due to the natural efficiencies inherent.

The use of actual weapons however, makes me slightly happier than when I see poorly disguised weapons with NO ergonomics (Stargate Atlantis and those SHITTY Genii designs, I'm looking at you).

[Vympel]

As for teh use of firearms in the series, we've reached a decent point in the development of weapons in terms of ergonomics etc, where it is safe to assume that other cultures with identical physiology etc would use a similar design concept due to the natural efficiencies inherent.[/quote

Yeah similar, but not the same. That's the cool thing about Star Wars. Get a real or replica old gun, whack some plastic shit on it, voila, it looks different but it still looks believable (Stormtrooper E-11).

The use of actual weapons however, makes me slightly happier than when I see poorly disguised weapons with NO ergonomics (Stargate Atlantis and those SHITTY Genii designs, I'm looking at you).

Hehehe yeah those Beretta pistols with the shitload of cladding around them.

[Grasscutter]

Why is it that everything that Ellen "suggests" to Col. Tigh places him in a worse position that compromises his authority and standing with the fleet? Shouldn't she be giving him confidence and helping him solidify his power? It can't be that she's stupid... Further proof she's a Cylon? Or was she trying to push things to the point where civil war would break out and then shack up with Zerrik?

She's a powermonger, nothing more. *I hope*. If she's a Cylon, I'm going to gag, and be very pissed off at Moore. As I've said before, the tension in universe of 'everyone may be a Cylon' give the show an edge, but that edge will be blown if they start B&B-ing it and making major characters Cylon's for a cheap thrill.

It would be infinately better if they 'charge' her as a Cylon and kill her then to find out she wasn't.

I totally agree. My initial impression is that she's a powermongerer. But unless she has some elaborate scheme that I'm not seeing, she's a pretty stupid powermonger. Everything she goads Col. Tigh to do ends up erroding his authority and makes him look like an inept jack-ass.

I, for one, will not be sad if she's mistakenly spaced as a Cylon. I'm guessing a lot of the major characters won't be missing her much either.

[Lord Woodlouse]

*mutters* It's COTTLE, not Coddle.

[Alyeska]

Hehehe yeah those Beretta pistols with the shitload of cladding around them.

Those are extras from the Time Cop movie.

[Uraniun235]

This episode was amazing. From Tigh's downward spiral of shitty decisions to the minor insurrection amongst the crew to Baltar pumping Boomer for information by using the chief to Cally popping Boomer... goddamn.

And Cottle's smartassery was beautiful.

5/5

(And yes, the names are Cottle and Cally.)

Fine. Henceforth, I'm a member of the Cult of Cally

Ooh! Can I join?

[Darth Lucifer]

The show mixed the names up, I wasn't trying to correct either of you.

No, it's cool dude...I would have erroneously remembered the original game as Pryamid too if not for you; it's been a long time since I've seen REAL Galactica, as one of our recent Trolls would put it.

XANATOS

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

I totally agree. My initial impression is that she's a powermongerer. But unless she has some elaborate scheme that I'm not seeing, she's a pretty stupid powermonger. Everything she goads Col. Tigh to do ends up erroding his authority and makes him look like an inept jack-ass.

I, for one, will not be sad if she's mistakenly spaced as a Cylon. I'm guessing a lot of the major characters won't be missing her much either.

I don't think her manipulations were as counter-productive as they first appear. Tigh had made himself dictator, but from his willingness to sit down and discuss why he did that with the rest of the captains shows that he only did it because he thought it was necessary, and he wasn't going to abuse it. By indirectly provoking a conflict between the Galactica and the rest of the fleet, and by fanning a small rebellion, Ellen was setting the stage for Saul to be forced, with some prodding from her, to step up to full-fledged dictator, with her at the reins.

At least, that's my interpretation of it.

[Knife]

I totally agree. My initial impression is that she's a powermongerer. But unless she has some elaborate scheme that I'm not seeing, she's a pretty stupid powermonger. Everything she goads Col. Tigh to do ends up erroding his authority and makes him look like an inept jack-ass.

I, for one, will not be sad if she's mistakenly spaced as a Cylon. I'm guessing a lot of the major characters won't be missing her much either.

I don't think her manipulations were as counter-productive as they first appear. Tigh had made himself dictator, but from his willingness to sit down and discuss why he did that with the rest of the captains shows that he only did it because he thought it was necessary, and he wasn't going to abuse it. By indirectly provoking a conflict between the Galactica and the rest of the fleet, and by fanning a small rebellion, Ellen was setting the stage for Saul to be forced, with some prodding from her, to step up to full-fledged dictator, with her at the reins.

At least, that's my interpretation of it.

Thats a pretty good guess. Ellen Tigh is a powermionger, she just doesn't understand how politics or even military sytems work. She's impulsive and just wants it now, with out really knowing how to get there.

[Vympel]

Those are extras from the Time Cop movie.

Now that's

[Crown]

5/5

This show is just going from strength to strength. It is approaching S:AAB levels for me.

I saw the Zerick plot coming up a mile away, I saw Boomer's execution coming too as soon as the scene started, and wasn't at all suprised that Cally was the button woman (time to start up the rumour mill on whether Cally is a Cylon). And I knew that Adama was gonna wake up, right after Roslin and Co. made their get away.

Now; Billy rocks! Tigh shouldn't be in command of ice distribution in Alaska. Caprica B plot is still strong for me, but don't take the attention off of Helo. The Chief rocks.

Now, in this thread (ealier mainly, it's died off), I've heard a lot of bitchin' about Roslin, and the justification seems to be 'this is SD.net, so ... ' well yes, this is SD.net, and I'd like to point out that if the word 'Jedi' were mentioned withing a 2 parsec distance of the word 'prophesy' everyone would be rushing to believe it.

For my money, there are just too many damn 'coinsidences' to rule her out as a drug-raddled fundie with a God complex. Her 'visions' so far; one was clearly prophetic and the other was about snakes, quick call the men with the white suits! She can still function in her job, she can still make logical and tough decisions (regarding fleet safety, security and operations). She tells one pilot about her beliefs, and that Adama is lying through his teeth, and all of a sudden she is the devil incarnate. Get a grip people.

The whole religious angle might turn out to be bunk and that would be fine by me, but if it doesn't I really don't wanna see any bitchin' about it, since you've had more than enough evidence to show that it wasn't.

[Stofsk]

I saw the Zerick plot coming up a mile away, I saw Boomer's execution coming too as soon as the scene started, and wasn't at all suprised that Cally was the button woman (time to start up the rumour mill on whether Cally is a Cylon). And I knew that Adama was gonna wake up, right after Roslin and Co. made their get away.

Yeah, same. But I didn't care, I thought it was cool.

Now, in this thread (ealier mainly, it's died off), I've heard a lot of bitchin' about Roslin, and the justification seems to be 'this is SD.net, so ... ' well yes, this is SD.net, and I'd like to point out that if the word 'Jedi' were mentioned withing a 2 parsec distance of the word 'prophesy' everyone would be rushing to believe it.

For my money, there are just too many damn 'coinsidences' to rule her out as a drug-raddled fundie with a God complex. Her 'visions' so far; one was clearly prophetic and the other was about snakes, quick call the men with the white suits! She can still function in her job, she can still make logical and tough decisions (regarding fleet safety, security and operations). She tells one pilot about her beliefs, and that Adama is lying through his teeth, and all of a sudden she is the devil incarnate. Get a grip people.

The whole religious angle might turn out to be bunk and that would be fine by me, but if it doesn't I really don't wanna see any bitchin' about it, since you've had more than enough evidence to show that it wasn't.

Agreed. My main problem with Adama's original plan was that it would have resulted in the loss of the Cylon raider that Starbuck captured. Ironically, Boomer's plan worked. Although, that lead to it's own problems...

But the whole "OMG Roslin's a fundie she's t3h suxx0r" is tiring.

[Zed Snardbody]

[HemlockGrey]

and I'd like to point out that if the word 'Jedi' were mentioned withing a 2 parsec distance of the word 'prophesy' everyone would be rushing to believe it.

In their universe the Jedi can demonstrate legitimate supernatural abilities. Roslyn has demonstrated the ability to take acid trips. Now, no doubt the prophecies will all turn out to be true because this is TV, but from a suspension of disbelief point of view she's a raving lunatic.

Of course, everyone is a lunatic. Adama and Tigh are military dictators, the President has lost any legitimacy she once had by attempting to incite civil war, Zarek is a fucking pinko...it's a long shot, but I'd love to see Adama install Baltar as President.

[InnocentBystander]

and I'd like to point out that if the word 'Jedi' were mentioned withing a 2 parsec distance of the word 'prophesy' everyone would be rushing to believe it.

In their universe the Jedi can demonstrate legitimate supernatural abilities. Roslyn has demonstrated the ability to take acid trips. Now, no doubt the prophecies will all turn out to be true because this is TV, but from a suspension of disbelief point of view she's a raving lunatic.

Of course, everyone is a lunatic. Adama and Tigh are military dictators, the President has lost any legitimacy she once had by attempting to incite civil war, Zarek is a fucking pinko...it's a long shot, but I'd love to see Adama install Baltar as President.

I don't think Tigh would approve of that

[Crown]

and I'd like to point out that if the word 'Jedi' were mentioned withing a 2 parsec distance of the word 'prophesy' everyone would be rushing to believe it.

In their universe the Jedi can demonstrate legitimate supernatural abilities. Roslyn has demonstrated the ability to take acid trips. Now, no doubt the prophecies will all turn out to be true because this is TV, but from a suspension of disbelief point of view she's a raving lunatic.

Why? These prophesies are thousands of years old, her premonition came true and the show has mentioned 'oracles'. The differece truely being (and you hit the nail on the head in your first sentance), is that with SW we were introduced to the Jedi as a fait accompli, whereas if we were to be introduce in the SW verse just as the 'first' Jedi were starting to explore the Force I suspect that the reaction might be different/same depending on how much information we are given.

Look my point is that; it is TV. We have to take it with a grain of salt that in this universe prophesy, destiny and God(s) might actually exist. What I see here though, is people treating it like nBSG is set in our reality, just because the main characters are humans, and others saying that they would be 'extremely pissed off if Roslin's visions were true, and the prophesy is real'. Which again brings back to the SW relationship.

Oh and I agree, they've all got a few screws loose.