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consequences wrote:If you'd read the NAIS Aatlas of the Fourth Succession war, you'd realize that that finger took a third of the CC's remaining military out of commission while Maxie desperately had the TSM stripped off the refitted units, effectively allowing the Fed Suns a free wave of invasions at the end of the war.

So it's more like he gave Max the finger, and then gouged his left eye out with it. :twisted:
I am quite familiar with the deeds of Justin Xiang Allard, Alexi Malenkov and Andrew Redburn thank you :D Mastercraft spy job by Hanse.
Nevertheless, the gifting of TSM blueprint/formula to Liao did allow them to field units with such at least as early as the 3050 time period. And well, i dont know, TSM may have allowed a certain individual named Sun-Tzu Liao some advantages much later on... ? :P

The circle came complete when Hanse expired after another certain videorecording was delivered to him. Victor? Victor. :mrgreen:
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Eviscerator wrote: I am quite familiar with the deeds of Justin Xiang Allard, Alexi Malenkov and Andrew Redburn thank you :D Mastercraft spy job by Hanse.
Nevertheless, the gifting of TSM blueprint/formula to Liao did allow them to field units with such at least as early as the 3050 time period. And well, i dont know, TSM may have allowed a certain individual named Sun-Tzu Liao some advantages much later on... ? :P

The circle came complete when Hanse expired after another certain videorecording was delivered to him. Victor? Victor. :mrgreen:
The Cappellan Confederation did NOT receive the 3050 TSM. What they received was the original myomer which could flare into flames. The 3050 TSM was shared to the Dracs and the Mariks, the Cappies got theirs presumably from the Mariks. Nevertheless, they were still only the second power to deploy TSM.

What they did do was refit Locusts/Stingers with the flammable myomer and deployed them to airless worlds.
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*coff coff
Historical: War of 3039 Rules Annex
Advanced Compenents: 3039 Table
FS/LC : TSM x 1.5 Cost, Minumum C priority, 2 max per lance
FWL/DCS: NADA Tsm
Caps: TSM x 2 Cost, B priority, 1 per lance.

It also lists Anti-TSM missile sub-munitions which are
Any TSM-equppied unit (only in pre-3050 Scenarios) struck with anti-TSM missiles suffers an additional blah blah blah.

Retcon, Mr Painrack. Retcon. The same way the whole Black Widow BN is Retcon. Remember the earliest WD material? :D
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If im not wrong JHS:3076 makes some reference to more anti-myomer loads for missiles which are NO GOOD for Manei Dominei and possibly even regular myomers. The rules and such just arnt out yet :lol:
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Eviscerator wrote:*coff coff
Historical: War of 3039 Rules Annex
Advanced Compenents: 3039 Table
FS/LC : TSM x 1.5 Cost, Minumum C priority, 2 max per lance
FWL/DCS: NADA Tsm
Caps: TSM x 2 Cost, B priority, 1 per lance.

It also lists Anti-TSM missile sub-munitions which are
Any TSM-equppied unit (only in pre-3050 Scenarios) struck with anti-TSM missiles suffers an additional blah blah blah.

Retcon, Mr Painrack. Retcon. The same way the whole Black Widow BN is Retcon. Remember the earliest WD material? :D
Retcon my Arse. The very fact that they have anti-TSM sub-munitions means that its the FLAMMABLE TSM that's being deployed, not the 3050 TSM.
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PainRack wrote: Retcon my Arse. The very fact that they have anti-TSM sub-munitions means that its the FLAMMABLE TSM that's being deployed, not the 3050 TSM.
And so do you agree that the TSM being utlised by FS/LC forces are also similar to that being ultised by CCAF forces and then both forces are equally suspectible to said anti-TSM submunitions? This supposes that the TSM being used by the AFFC is exactly the same as the one being used by the CCAF or that anti-TSM submunitions formulae was stolen or made available to the CCAF. This then supposes that TSM which was NOT suspectible to A-TSM stuff was only perfected in 3050+ period and before that everybody was using the same TSM.....

Your Arse, old boy. Ah yes, this then is the same fellow that said Jedi do not possess the ability to transmit interstellar messages.... :) No, no, they can't at all.

You shall then remember that the LAS Arthur Steiner-Davion fell victim to the WOBS Immortal Spirit (equipped with an Uber-Jump drive) (previously only seen on that SLDF Aegis in Living Legends) and that Natasha Kerensky was originally just COINCIDENTALLY had the same surname as Alexsandr Kerensky before the whole retcon FASA job made Wolve's Dragoons into "LOL WOLF CLAN SCOUT LOL" and also Clinton's Cutthroats into "LOL WOB MERCS YES"

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consequences wrote: If you'd read the NAIS Aatlas of the Fourth Succession war, you'd realize that that finger took a third of the CC's remaining military out of commission while Maxie desperately had the TSM stripped off the refitted units, effectively allowing the Fed Suns a free wave of invasions at the end of the war.
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Didn't Ol' Maximilian Liao go ABSOLUTELY bonkers after that Video was left by Justin Xiang Allard? Not that he wasn't already bonkers already..... damn, where's my Warrior: Coupe when i need it? Gotta break it out of storage, i'll get to that soon..... Romano wasn't any better either.... :P
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Eviscerator wrote: And so do you agree that the TSM being utlised by FS/LC forces are also similar to that being ultised by CCAF forces and then both forces are equally suspectible to said anti-TSM submunitions?
Exactly you fool.
This supposes that the TSM being used by the AFFC is exactly the same as the one being used by the CCAF or that anti-TSM submunitions formulae was stolen or made available to the CCAF. This then supposes that TSM which was NOT suspectible to A-TSM stuff was only perfected in 3050+ period and before that everybody was using the same TSM.....
Its explictly stated in Warrior Trilogy you dumbass.Tell you what, show me proof that the TSM used in the War of 3039 is the +9 heat activated of 3050, THEN we talk.

Otherwise, its clear that of the major spheroid powers, the CC was the second last major power to use TSM, behind the Dracs.
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you somehow forgot that Theodore and gang recieved a 100% accurate Helm core copy from i dont know, a certain red-haired nobleman who was at Helm? *coff coff. And you also, i beg to remind you, missed out on several references to a certain Warship which er was lost and found and got smushed by CGB Rasalhague? You don't have a corner on completely 100% accurate Btech info too, if i may say so myself.

Frankly i could give a damn about TSM, i always designed my mechs to run ice-cold. Why dont you bestow your sage advice upon us and tell us the difference. Other than the +9 heat "Flaw/strength" depending how you look at it.... do both TSMs then do the same basic job ? Then so the Cappies got TSM at the same time as AFFC fellows and then for a full 25 years everybody was the same. :mrgreen:
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Eviscerator wrote:you somehow forgot that Theodore and gang recieved a 100% accurate Helm core copy from i dont know, a certain red-haired nobleman who was at Helm?
Comstar Manual explictly states that the Kuritian full copy was destroyed . Its clear now you're on a vendetta.
Frankly i could give a damn about TSM, i always designed my mechs to run ice-cold. Why dont you bestow your sage advice upon us and tell us the difference. Other than the +9 heat "Flaw/strength" depending how you look at it.... do both TSMs then do the same basic job ? Then so the Cappies got TSM at the same time as AFFC fellows and then for a full 25 years everybody was the same. :mrgreen:
You claimed the Cappies got TSM decades before anyone else. Its clear that you're referring to the FLAMMABLE myomer, and not the 3050 TSM which is the "standard" TSM deployed by every Inner Sphere power....... including the Cappellans in 3058.
The flammable TSM of the 3030s was still used..... by only House Liao in 3050 and deployed to Wasps/Locusts on airless moons. Otherwise, by 3058, it was a relic and the standard TSM was the +9 heat. Arguing that the Cappellans had access to "advanced" technology.... when no other power saw an advantage in using the flammable TSM due to its flaw is misleading.

So, stop littering my archive thread with your dickery.
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There was no bridge, no cargo holds, and not even a power plant. The plan was that a fusion ship would charge the drive externally.
Regarding the prototype jumpdrive, Dropships and Jumpships.
Once they had established the ship's exact position, the crew fired up the enormous fusion drives that would power their week-long mission to Tau Ceti's inner system. As the fusion drives accelerated the ship towards its destination, they also began to slowly recharge the Kearny-Fuchida drive for the return trip home.
Upon rereading the text.... I need to apologise to Batman. They were powering the ship via fusion engines and not a fusion reactor as I stated earlier. A misreading of the 2nd Edition Mechwarrior text by me as I neglected to note additional canon where the word fusion powerplant for starships actually referred to engines and not a seperate fusion reactor powering the starship.
As such, a possible "out", where the fusion reactor was unable to be minaturised sufficiently to burn minimal amount of fuel that's also required by the ship engines is out.

Anyway, I been meaning to post this for some time.
By 1994, a team of engineers from the United States and Japan had created a detailed set of blueprints for a joint, space-based ballistic missile defense system.....
This slowly spinning complex was roughly 600 meters across and over 1.5 kilometers long......
I can't recall........ the exact source for its shooting down the ICBMs during the Second Soviet Civil War.
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I couldn't possibly care less WHAT fusion reactor they used to power the K-F drive, the assumption that it doesn't work due to the reactor being too powerful remains complete garbage. The second fusion reactors power ANYTHING on a jumpship (ventilation, heating, lights, dishwashers, take your pick) means the 'too powerful to charge the jumpdrive' argument DIES.
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PainRack wrote: So, stop littering my archive thread with your dickery.
Considering Hassid Ricol was holding that selfsame core in his hands when it was being discussed, i find it very hard to believe that ROM could have reached into that selfsame room and BALEETED the Core.... :) May i venture to be so bold as to ask you WHERE in FM: Comstar did ROM or maybe WOB managed this feat of BALEETING the Core?

I count TSM (3025 and 3039) as doing basically the same job as (3050) and i still think Hanse was foolish to expend it just because of his Vendetta against good ol' Maxie.

I will remember to the last of my days certain words that you said regarding WOBS Blake's Sword and your ignoral that it was pivotal in, i don't know.... the loss of Tukayyid?

And by the way, is there any real difference between fusion drive, engine, reactor, generator or are they all one and the same? :)
May i also venture to tell you that Fusion (energy generating stuff) can be made small enough to recharge power cells and there is really no sound reason why they have to baby the KF drive along?
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Comstar had several Gm 240XL engines, but those models included outdated heat sinks and allowed no room for a retrofit of the bulkier double-efficiency sinks.
Tukayyid. An older explaination of heat sinks than that found in TechManual. Along with Techmanual, this should conclusively argue against engines being refitted with Double Heat Sinks easily. This may help explain why the Panther never did get Double Heat Sinks, although Darwin Whelp suggests otherwise.

It does raise the question of how field refit kits work.

I've already had a preliminary report on a heat sink taken from one of their machines. They have some sort of double-chambered heat exchanger and a fluid with a thermal retention factor thats 7/10ths of air itself! The Techs think this units which are about the size of our own heat sinks, probably are 150 to 200% more effective than ours.
Lethal Heritage pg 328-329, circa 1995.

Even though this description is for a Clan DHS, i find it odd that after two decades or more the IS DHS is still THREE crit spaces versus TWO.

The Duke was fingering the metallic cylinder of a computer core that he had put onto the table........ ""Duke Ricol has brought us a Star League libary core......... a preliminary survey of its contents.......... sections concerning agri and miltech have been earmarked.
Heir to the Dragon Pg 295

Take note, copies can be accomplished with as simple (Relatively speaking) as a Union-Dropship tech level main computer..... Unless the Duke was sitting on it all those SIX years, any copy destroyed by ROM is easily and quickly replaced by ANOTHER copy they've likely squirreled away somewhere. I do not think ISF or any DC organisation charged with the safekeeping of this core, being privy to the info that BAD THINGS happen to people who have this SL-Core, they would not make about 9000 copies of said core..... :lol:

Comstar was really taking the piss with their Operation: Holy Shrouds. Doom on Precentor Rachan.
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By the way, just in case you get forgetful and tell me now Lethal Heritage is newer :lol: than Techmanual, i will remind you that
my copy says: First ROC Printing, Sep 1995, Copyright FASA Corp, 1989 while Techmanual is 2007 WK Games and Fanpro on the back......
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PainRack wrote: You claimed the Cappies got TSM decades before anyone else. Its clear that you're referring to the FLAMMABLE myomer, and not the 3050 TSM which is the "standard" TSM deployed by every Inner Sphere power....... including the Cappellans in 3058.
The flammable TSM of the 3030s was still used..... by only House Liao in 3050 and deployed to Wasps/Locusts on airless moons. Otherwise, by 3058, it was a relic and the standard TSM was the +9 heat. Arguing that the Cappellans had access to "advanced" technology.... when no other power saw an advantage in using the flammable TSM due to its flaw is misleading.

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I don't Claim, i State. 8) And Hanse Gave, and Max Used. Sarna Confirms.
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Much to the chagrin of the Federated Suns, the Capellan Confederation was the first to perfect the TSM formula and gained a valuable technology which they later used as a bargaining chip to gain further technologies from the Free Worlds League.

By the Dark Age, it is indicated that the technology had come into use by the Clans, particularly with Clan Jade Falcon's Jade Hawk.

To use a modern day analog, it would be like the Allies giving Axis Flawed Nuclear Tech for LOL EPIC FAIL nuke test but then EPIC PWN when they refine same nuke tech into BOOMZ Washington ish gone... OOPS. :mrgreen:
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Batman wrote:I couldn't possibly care less WHAT fusion reactor they used to power the K-F drive, the assumption that it doesn't work due to the reactor being too powerful remains complete garbage. The second fusion reactors power ANYTHING on a jumpship (ventilation, heating, lights, dishwashers, take your pick) means the 'too powerful to charge the jumpdrive' argument DIES.
Errr..... let me rephrase. Too powerful was a relic argument because I been beating off trekkies and btechers on SB regarding K-F drives. You can't cut down recharge time by fusing in more power.... because the drive core can't accept that power.

The CLASSIC argument against using a fusion reactor was that it burns up too much fuel. I interpreted it as the presence of a secondary fusion reactor being on board which could charge the K-F drive, but it isn't done as the fuel used is the same fuel for the jumpship drives, hence, the desire to conserve fuel and the inability to actually charge the K-F drive out of "batteries" is canonically backed up.

A closer reading of the material showed my mistake, I utterly forgotten that the Btech literature uses fusion reactors as the term for the jumpship engines, hence, the massive wastage of fuel associated with running it off the engines.
Of course, what this means is that we need to ask what the Star Lord fusion reactor is in Dropships and Jumpships, which cuts recharging time down to 42 hours. Is it the ship engines, or a secondary reactor dedicated to charging the K-F drive.
Despite his public stance of sorrow and grieving, Primus Tiepolo ordered ROM to initate a wave of terror to retrieve of destroy the copies of the core that he knew must exist. His agents reported that the two copies that fell into the hands of House Kurita were destroyed in bombings that ROM agents linked to a Davion MIIO operation. An assasin's bullet supposedly prevented a copy being transferred to a Loki agent in the Commonwealth-and the deed was traced back to the Combine's elite ISF...

Theorists speculate that Waterly may have suppressed the information about the NAIS copy of the Star League memory core as a tool to gain political advantage over Primus Tiepolo.
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In other words, the other Houses did receive fragments of the Core technology, but they never did receive FULL copies of the Helm memory core. Or rather, they didn't receive any in the immediate years following 3025, TR 3050 confirms that copies of the Core were eventually received by other Houses at a later time.
NAIS researchers produced the flawed myomer that gave House Liao its embarrassing defeat on Sian. Research into the successful practical application of this improved Mech muscle continues at New Avalon, Sian, and probably elsewhere. Though no working model has appeared, these researchers have made some progress in using new compounds.
Regarding claims that TSM was developed during the War of 3039.
Capellan scientists had continued research on the booby-trapped myomer and had achieved limited success in identifying another compound with the same valuable properties but no the same vulnerability. In 3046, House Liao traded its knowledge of the improved myomer for House Marik's help in resuming Mech production and incorporating the technology that had already reached the rest of the inner Sphere,
TR 3050 rev
Since said TSM in 3039 was actually flame vulnerable, again, its clear to anyone other than a certain poster that the TSM of 3050 was available ONLY in 3050. Not 3039.

Again, I await evidence that the improved TSM of 3050 was actually deployed by the Cappellan Confederation before Yen Lo Wang.
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In the greater scheme of things, TSM isn't really very important or else why isn't it standard issue? :D
I can very well pull out your selfsame quote of 504mj or somesort required to recharge an Jumpship's drive, and then posit that the same could easily be achieved with an Fusion Power Cell Recharger, or two, or three, or five. Such as is detailed in Lostech or TR:3025 (original).

Now you really are taking the piss, TSM was viably researched and made working, even if "LOL FLAME ON" was known, and the fact that rules to employ it in Historical:3039 exist?

Again, copies can be made using a Union's Dropships Main Computer, and given that SUBHASH INDRAHAR knew that funny things happened to people who possessed copies of it , wouldn't it be very prudent to assign 3 or 5 Unions in a very heavily protected hangar and use lots of Mechs and others to protect it? Only two copies? Really.... Also not forgetting that Duke Hassid Ricol had SIX years to make copies also, he wasnt spending those SIX years wanking and saying LOL SL CORE YEAH.

You really are some piece of work, you can say "In 3046, House Liao traded its knowledge of the improved myomer for House Marik's help in resuming Mech production and incorporating the technology that had already reached the rest of the inner Sphere," House Marik would accept "LOL FLAME ON" TSM? :mrgreen:

By the way you still have not said anything regarding my Lethal Heritage DHS quote...... or are you going to go Retcon your arse again.
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1. You claimed that House Liao deployed TSM decades BEFORE the rest of the Inner Sphere powers. When challenged, you showed evidence that they deployed the FLAMMABLE TSM.

2. You have absolutely REFUSED to show evidence that the CC has deployed TSM decades before the rest of the powers, instead, you choose to defend your stance by attacking others.

Put up or shut up, if not, I'm going to refer this matter to the moderators. The only reason why I'm still talking with you is because if you are right, and you can show you're right, you CAN contribute to the archive. So, contribute!
I can very well pull out your selfsame quote of 504mj or somesort required to recharge an Jumpship's drive, and then posit that the same could easily be achieved with an Fusion Power Cell Recharger, or two, or three, or five.
And dumbass? Nobody fucking claimed that a coal powerplant can't do the same shit. Indeed, 2nd edt mechwarrior described the existence of said coal powerplants to do so. Fuck, the very fact that its using a solar sail at the edge of the system to recharge the K-F drive shows that its NOT a power issue.
Again, copies can be made using a Union's Dropships Main Computer, and given that SUBHASH INDRAHAR knew that funny things happened to people who possessed copies of it , wouldn't it be very prudent to assign 3 or 5 Unions in a very heavily protected hangar and use lots of Mechs and others to protect it? Only two copies? Really.... Also not forgetting that Duke Hassid Ricol had SIX years to make copies also, he wasnt spending those SIX years wanking and saying LOL SL CORE YEAH.
And evidence that any of the Great Houses research insitutes actually did receive copies of the Helm memory core until some time after the 4th Succession War ? Or are you now ascribing another false position to me, that I'm contending that nobody else received a Helm memory core other than Hanse? Again, the evidence is that Hanse received the memory core first, because existing physical copies were eliminated. The remainding Houses got theirs significantly later. However, too many copies had been made and follow-up strikes to actually hit the research institues that were working on the copies were shelved after the failed attack on NAIS.
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PainRack wrote:1. You claimed that House Liao deployed TSM decades BEFORE the rest of the Inner Sphere powers. When challenged, you showed evidence that they deployed the FLAMMABLE TSM.

2. You have absolutely REFUSED to show evidence that the CC has deployed TSM decades before the rest of the powers, instead, you choose to defend your stance by attacking others.

Put up or shut up, if not, I'm going to refer this matter to the moderators. The only reason why I'm still talking with you is because if you are right, and you can show you're right, you CAN contribute to the archive. So, contribute!

And evidence that any of the Great Houses research insitutes actually did receive copies of the Helm memory core until some time after the 4th Succession War ? Or are you now ascribing another false position to me, that I'm contending that nobody else received a Helm memory core other than Hanse?
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Flammable TSM is still TSM, no? There is sufficient evidence in the ending chapters of Warrior:Coupe that it WAS deployed , and the fact that Historical:3039 gives rules for employing TSM for both forces means it was still an issue item. I further said "In 3046, House Liao traded its knowledge of the improved myomer for House Marik's help in resuming Mech production and incorporating the technology that had already reached the rest of the inner Sphere" TR 3050 Pg 45 (orig). So who's first, and which one should we believe, TR:3050 or Clovis's words?

Furthermore, at the big Powwow in Heir to the Dragon:
From the duke's attitude, Subhash anticipated Thedore's next statement.
The Duke was fingering the metallic cylinder of a computer core that he had put onto the table........ ""Duke Ricol has brought us a Star League libary core......... a preliminary survey of its contents.......... sections concerning agri and miltech have been earmarked.

Neither Theodore, Ricol, nor Subhash are the careless type and they would certainly have made far more copies than two. So, unless all 3 suffereed from complacency, from the time Ricol carried that core in, ROM basically could do shit.

You have still not said word one about my pithy lethal heritage DHS quote which to wit: predates both Techmanual and Tukayyid.
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Eviscerator wrote: Flammable TSM is still TSM, no?
........ Its not. The TSM that's deployed by the major powers is the non flamable, heat activated myomer, it is not capable of being destroyed by one hit wonders.The flammable TSM doesn't need heat to be activated, but can be destroyed.
I further said "In 3046, House Liao traded its knowledge of the improved myomer for House Marik's help in resuming Mech production and incorporating the technology that had already reached the rest
Fuck you. I quoted it first.
Neither Theodore, Ricol, nor Subhash are the careless type and they would certainly have made far more copies than two. So, unless all 3 suffereed from complacency, from the time Ricol carried that core in, ROM basically could do shit.
Except....... the Dracs did lose their physical copies until sometime after the Succession Wars. What position are you taking? Because NOBODY is arguing the Draconis Combine never got their hands on the Helm memory Core.
You have still not said word one about my pithy lethal heritage DHS quote which to wit: predates both Techmanual and Tukayyid.
What? Your quote brought absolutely nothing regarding my tech statement which was with regards to the refitting of DHS on mechs regarding the "10 heat sinks" rules.

As it is, its also clear you utterly failed to understand the quote, which was comparing the Clan double heat sink with the Inner Sphere single heat sink. Or are you suggesting that Clan DHS is 150-200% more effective than IS DHS?
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My , my, my. You do have a tendency to get insulting when you are corrected, dont you.
THe quality of tech writing in Btech is very variable and you'll remember at : 2010-02-26 04:20pm i gave you a link to http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Triple_Strength_Myomer which has at the bottom References: TR:3050 Hey presto you scurried off to the Vault and retrieved it and you gave us:2010-02-27 07:29am In 3046, House Liao .... from Page 45

You neglected however to read that same document fully and near the end ar page 222, the listing for TSM in the Engineer Test section say "Only recently introduced in prototype form in the IS... known to be fitted in only one Mech... DAVION Scientisth hadve reportedely had some success....."" We have a curious flipflop here in the very same document, so which should we take as gospel? Warrior:Coup, Historical:3039, TR:3050 Page 45, or page 222? Or maybe you are going to say Retcon your arse again.... :mrgreen:

I put it to you that Ergo: House Davion developed a TSM that was flammable or perhaps discovered to be so in the presence of an compound. Hanse, smarting over Operation:Copycat, gave Max said TSM blueprint/formula as he knew then to set him up. However, cooler heads other than (Max/Romano) prevailed and they did see fit to issue it on a very limited basis and Liao scientists actally did trump Davion scientists and perfected it in 3046 which comes before 3050. (which then raises into issue why His:3039 says PRE-3050 equipped TSM units)... big head scratcher here.

It is going to be very corking if the next installment of JHS comes out with moar Anti-Myomer munitions.... :lol:
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PainRack wrote:
Comstar had several Gm 240XL engines, but those models included outdated heat sinks and allowed no room for a retrofit of the bulkier double-efficiency sinks.
Tukayyid. An older explaination of heat sinks than that found in TechManual. Along with Techmanual, this should conclusively argue against engines being refitted with Double Heat Sinks easily. This may help explain why the Panther never did get Double Heat Sinks, although Darwin Whelp suggests otherwise.

It does raise the question of how field refit kits work.

I've already had a preliminary report on a heat sink taken from one of their machines. They have some sort of double-chambered heat exchanger and a fluid with a thermal retention factor thats 7/10ths of air itself! The Techs think this units which are about the size of our own heat sinks, probably are 150 to 200% more effective than ours.
Lethal Heritage pg 328-329, circa 1995.
His:3039, rules annex, page 144-145
DHS (Freezers)
Unlike many..... SL-era DH where not extracted from the Helm Memory Core. Instead Davion scientist first debuted an Xperimental DHS during the battle for Hoff, in 3022. in 3030, towards the end of the 4th war, St.ives fielded several BJ-3 Blackjacks that showcased dhs.... (lazy to type more)
This equipment functions per the standard DHS in BMR with the following exceptions: DHS cannot be mounted in the engine. DHS may be combined with Single HS on a Mech
.

Attend this a moment, and why can't this show that there really is no reason why in light of New rules any unit could recieve DHS? Even if they are very-fatassed DHS....

And to why the Panther never got DHS? Maybe you are still looking at the PNT-9R or 10k, maybe the 8Z but as of TR:3050 Upgrades
PNT-16K: with light FF armor , 2 ssrm-4, and DHS.

New improved Panther, NOW with DHS! :mrgreen:
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To pre-empt your scurrying to the Vault and hauling out TR:3050 UP, i will pre-empt your expected statements...

Page 4 TR:3050 UP:
Our Agents have acquired the original files of this document and have discovered startling inconsistencies and omissions (LOL) :P .... clearly attempts by Comstar to conceal... whitewash...checkered past.

- Major-GEN Margeret Tolliver, DDWLFNET, 22 Mar 3058

So is the TR:3050 you are flogging wrong and its been Retconned? *beams.
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Eviscerator wrote: You neglected however to read that same document fully and near the end ar page 222, the listing for TSM in the Engineer Test section say "Only recently introduced in prototype form in the IS... known to be fitted in only one Mech... DAVION Scientisth hadve reportedely had some success....."" We have a curious flipflop here in the very same document, so which should we take as gospel? Warrior:Coup, Historical:3039, TR:3050 Page 45, or page 222? Or maybe you are going to say Retcon your arse again.... :mrgreen:
Considering I quoted from that section earlier... You obviously have no idea how insulting you are.
I put it to you that Ergo: House Davion developed a TSM that was flammable or perhaps discovered to be so in the presence of an compound. Hanse, smarting over Operation:Copycat, gave Max said TSM blueprint/formula as he knew then to set him up. However, cooler heads other than (Max/Romano) prevailed and they did see fit to issue it on a very limited basis and Liao scientists actally did trump Davion scientists and perfected it in 3046 which comes before 3050. (which then raises into issue why His:3039 says PRE-3050 equipped TSM units)... big head scratcher here.

It is going to be very corking if the next installment of JHS comes out with moar Anti-Myomer munitions.... :lol:
Did you ACTUALLY read the quotes? The quote was that they had
NAIS researchers produced the flawed myomer that gave House Liao its embarrassing defeat on Sian. Research into the successful practical application of this improved Mech muscle continues at New Avalon, Sian, and probably elsewhere. Though no working model has appeared, these researchers have made some progress in using new compounds.

Capellan scientists had continued research on the booby-trapped myomer and had achieved limited success in identifying another compound with the same valuable properties but no the same vulnerability. In 3046, House Liao traded its knowledge of the improved myomer for House Marik's help in resuming Mech production and incorporating the technology that had already reached the rest of the inner Sphere,
In other words, they made PROGRESS in making the 3050 TSM, but they DIDN"T deploy it. It was the Federated Commonwealth which deployed it FIRST.
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His:3039, rules annex, page 144-145
DHS (Freezers)
Unlike many..... SL-era DH where not extracted from the Helm Memory Core. Instead Davion scientist first debuted an Xperimental DHS during the battle for Hoff, in 3022. in 3030, towards the end of the 4th war, St.ives fielded several BJ-3 Blackjacks that showcased dhs.... (lazy to type more)
This equipment functions per the standard DHS in BMR with the following exceptions: DHS cannot be mounted in the engine. DHS may be combined with Single HS on a Mech
.

Attend this a moment, and why can't this show that there really is no reason why in light of New rules any unit could recieve DHS? Even if they are very-fatassed DHS....

And to why the Panther never got DHS? Maybe you are still looking at the PNT-9R or 10k, maybe the 8Z but as of TR:3050 Upgrades
PNT-16K: with light FF armor , 2 ssrm-4, and DHS.

New improved Panther, NOW with DHS! :mrgreen:
And? Since when did I claim the Panther CAN"T be equipped with DHS? Indeed, I brought up Darwin panther from FM Mercenaries, which was equipped with a Clantech ER PPC and DHS.
TechManual attests that the engine heat sinks are a property of the engines materials, and DHS engine sinks are made utterly diffrent from SHS. Older material from the Tukayid scenario pack shows that this is true, and engines COULD be modified to equip DHS.

In other words, the technical point was that engines could be refitted to introduce DHS into the engine heat sinks, but not all engines could do so.
It gets even MORE fucking annoying because the whole point of me digging up this technical quote was with regards TO the War of 3039 that you couldn't retrofit DHS into the engines. God you're annoying.
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