nBSG: LDYB Pt 2 thread

Pax Britannia · Post by **Pax Britannia** » 2006-03-11 11:48am

I thought the whole point of the show was that the Cylons wanted to wipe out humanity. So why now are they letting us live?

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2006-03-11 11:56am

Pax Britannia wrote:I thought the whole point of the show was that the Cylons wanted to wipe out humanity. So why now are they letting us live?

Technically its more about the general survival of the remnant of humanity than the Cylons, though the Cylons and their plan are a significant part. Just what this plan is I expect we will get more clues to from now on.

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2006-03-11 12:00pm

Pax Britannia wrote:I thought the whole point of the show was that the Cylons wanted to wipe out humanity. So why now are they letting us live?

if this is the peace faction of the Cylons ?

Pax Britannia · Post by **Pax Britannia** » 2006-03-11 12:02pm

A peace faction certainly would be interesting.

LapsedPacifist · Post by **LapsedPacifist** » 2006-03-11 12:14pm

I wonder if Baltar will be able to keep his relationship with Caprica Six secret.

LP

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-03-11 12:24pm

This will probably be how the Pegasus goes out. A crazier theory would be that the Bucket gets stripped and left behind, and the Beast gets renamed Galactica out of some bizarre sentiment. Either way, if they come back with one Battlestar, Bill will be captain and Lee will be XO. Wonder who wll be CAG.

You scrap a state-of-the-art Battlestar in order to keep a antiquidated one in operation?

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-03-11 12:52pm

LapsedPacifist wrote:I wonder if Baltar will be able to keep his relationship with Caprica Six secret.

LP

Probably not with Roslyn (Roslin?) watching now. As I speculated before, one way or another he's probably going to the Cylons side.. if he isn't a Cylon already.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-03-11 12:56pm

Steven Snyder wrote:
This will probably be how the Pegasus goes out. A crazier theory would be that the Bucket gets stripped and left behind, and the Beast gets renamed Galactica out of some bizarre sentiment. Either way, if they come back with one Battlestar, Bill will be captain and Lee will be XO. Wonder who wll be CAG.
You scrap a state-of-the-art Battlestar in order to keep a antiquidated one in operation?

He said scrap the bucket for the beast. Meaning Galactica for the Pegasus. Which would make sense if they couldn't fill the needed crew slots. Though I wonder.. they took what was left of the fleet with them, but are those ships manned? How will they replenish their supplies and ammunition? Service and replace Vipers and Viper crews? Dude, they're fucked in so many ways me thinks. It should be fun finding out how they get their shit back together.

Though I thought it cute, how once Tigh is out of uniform he seems like everyone's favorite uncle. Though was Starbuck really glad to see him, or just glad to see him because he possibly could get medicine?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-03-11 01:22pm

Pax Britannia wrote:I thought the whole point of the show was that the Cylons wanted to wipe out humanity. So why now are they letting us live?

I suspect the Cylons have decided that rather than wipe us out, they're going to convert us to the ways of the One True God. They have a captive audience now, after all.

S3 is going to be terribly interesting.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2006-03-11 01:48pm

Congratulations Gaius Baltar! You now have achieved a primacy!

First you sell out the Twelve Colonies and cause most of the extinction of humanity.

Then you gave a nuke to a known Cylon.

Next you preyed on desperate peoples emotions promising something you know is a bad idea for access to an office you had no idea how to run from someone who was actually competant, then misran the colony to the point that after a year people are still living in mud in tents while you fiddled.

Now the Cylons have caught up to you thanks to the afformentioned nuke and are going to turn it into another fucking Human Farm, with only the scraps of the military still out there to save your ass.

And for what, so you could be the sad little king of a sad little hill.

Gaius Baltar you are offically...
A COMPLETE FUCK-UP!

Man, that was a great episode. Pretty gutwrenching, but a great episode. I really wish Gaeta hadn't caught Tigh and Roslyn fixing the election. Then Baltar would have conceeded and that number of survivors wouldn't plummet. I've got a question, does the beginning of each episode, when the number drops, does anyone else get a small kick in the stomache? When it read "49,550 survivors", I felt a twist in my gut.

That's the mark of a good TV show.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2006-03-11 01:54pm

Gil Hamilton wrote: Gaius Baltar you are offically...
A COMPLETE FUCK-UP!

Never has one man fucked so many, so quickly,and so completely

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-11 01:55pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Man, that was a great episode. Pretty gutwrenching, but a great episode. I really wish Gaeta hadn't caught Tigh and Roslyn fixing the election. Then Baltar would have conceeded and that number of survivors wouldn't plummet. I've got a question, does the beginning of each episode, when the number drops, does anyone else get a small kick in the stomache? When it read "49,550 survivors", I felt a twist in my gut.

That's the mark of a good TV show.

It's really going to feel like a kick in the gut if they're still doing the count when October rolls around. All those killed on Cloud 9 to tally up...what is it now probably? Under 40,000?

I really found it nice and ironic that Tigh attempted to rig the election. The dude was no fan of Roslin, but definetly even less of a fan of Baltar. "I'll take your work over that shifty son-of-a-bitch any day."

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-03-11 02:06pm

Such a sad ep, I kinda want them to turn Baltar's character around and have a redeeming quality, but I think he's too far gone. He's strung out and screwing everything in sight.

My only thought is that Baltar and Caprica Six might have something that could turn them both around.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-03-11 02:07pm

They did have a survive count, it is under 40,000.

And to be fair on Gaius Baltar, with the first Cylon attack, he didn't KNOW Six was a Cylon. He thought he was just letting a contractor get a look for a better edge on competitors for a little sack time.

But afterwards, he was a full blown collaborator with the Six in his head. Gave a fucking nuke to a Cylon. And maybe it wasn't his intention to let the Cylons find New Caprica, but he fucked things over hard anyways. So probably best that the Cylons did come, they may have all starved to death.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2006-03-11 02:09pm

Skylon wrote:It's really going to feel like a kick in the gut if they're still doing the count when October rolls around. All those killed on Cloud 9 to tally up...what is it now probably? Under 40,000?

I really found it nice and ironic that Tigh attempted to rig the election. The dude was no fan of Roslin, but definetly even less of a fan of Baltar. "I'll take your work over that shifty son-of-a-bitch any day."

Tigh was no fan of Roslin, but he was also not a moron. No matter what the citizens who have been eating Baltar's shit thought, there was a significant chance that landing on that planet permenantly would be wraps for humanity. Kohlberg's Moral Development scale states that the highest form of morality is to unhold what is right for human existance and dignity, regardless of the law. What Tigh and Roslin's aide did was an extremely moral and patriotic thing. Rigging an election to save humanity from Baltar's repellant stupidity and the Cylons is no crime in my book.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-11 02:35pm

mmar wrote:The only thing I disliked in this hour+ long mindfuck is the tent city. Cmon, they couln't land some raptors, strip stuff out of them and make them into homes? A couple of ships in the fleet? They were living in conditions worse then slums, which was taking it a bit too far, in my opinion.

Tell me how gutting Raptors makes any sense. They might not have landed ships because of fuel constraints.

Trytostaydead wrote:They did have a survive count, it is under 40,000.

That's the population of the settlement. We don't know how many stayed on the ships that weren't blown up or didn't land. The two battlestars probably need at least a thousand each to keep them running.

tumbletom · Post by **tumbletom** » 2006-03-11 03:13pm

Maybe the fleet will try to go back to the colonies to find more survivors to man it?

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2006-03-11 03:35pm

tumbletom wrote:Maybe the fleet will try to go back to the colonies to find more survivors to man it?

How many people would still be alive outside of the Farms from all that radiation with out their Rad-B-Gone medicine?

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-11 03:35pm

tumbletom wrote:Maybe the fleet will try to go back to the colonies to find more survivors to man it?

The Cylons, if they care about being the custodians of all humans, must have surely left a presence in the Colonies. Especially now that the remainders of the fleet has disappeared for parts unknown.

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2006-03-11 03:56pm

what is Gaeta gonna do? I think He sorta knows now that Baltar and Six are/were an item. Will he help the resistance now???

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2006-03-11 03:58pm

Is anyone else slightly irked that it appeared all the ships left in orbit managed to jump? I'd have guessed that at least some of the orbiting ships would be left uncrewed for periods of time or that they at least wouldn't all be currently capable of doing an FTL jump from a cold start with only a few minutes warning.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2006-03-11 04:05pm

Srynerson wrote:Is anyone else slightly irked that it appeared all the ships left in orbit managed to jump? I'd have guessed that at least some of the orbiting ships would be left uncrewed for periods of time or that they at least wouldn't all be currently capable of doing an FTL jump from a cold start with only a few minutes warning.

The Fleet is now powered by Adama's suave moustache, so now it can jump at will.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-03-11 04:17pm

While watching the episode, I declared to Uts that all of the male cast members should have had moustaches.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2006-03-11 04:50pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Srynerson wrote:Is anyone else slightly irked that it appeared all the ships left in orbit managed to jump? I'd have guessed that at least some of the orbiting ships would be left uncrewed for periods of time or that they at least wouldn't all be currently capable of doing an FTL jump from a cold start with only a few minutes warning.
The Fleet is now powered by Adama's suave moustache, so now it can jump at will.

Curses! I was drinking a Coke when I read that line and now my sinuses are fizzing!

/

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-03-11 04:53pm

God Sci-fi fans are morons. I, under no circumstances, want this to turn into a dream sequence. This hasn't ruined the show. It changes it, no question, but it doesn't ruin it.

Changes in a show keep the damn thing fresh and entertaining. Most shows don't go to these types of extremes. They don't try and change the whole dynamic of the show. Hell, we've been seeing the "And they have a plan" thing for two seasons now, but maybe next season they won't have a plan. Or the plan is different. Clearly by now the old plan is scrapped.

There is any number of places the show can go right now. And Moore is trying to break the stereotype sci-fi show that has to follow the same pattern from start to cancellation. Truth be told I may not like where he takes it. But at least I have no idea where it's going.