Gandalf the white vs yoda AOTC

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-01-10 10:10pm

I love all these supposedly uber-powerful immortal god-killing Tolkien characters that never actually DO anything. Gee, remember when Gandalf annhilated all those orcs in Moria? Oh wait, that didn't happen. What about his awesome fight with the Balrog, which consisted more or less entirely of falling down a hole? Very impressive. Not. Yoda would hack him into 47 pieces before he knew what hit him.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-10 10:11pm

Darth Servo wrote: *Yoda absorbs the energy like he did with Dooko's force lightning*

Gandalf sets Yoda on fire.

*Yoda uses force moves in AOTC making Gandalf spin in circles, getting dizzy*

Gandalf swears as the blowing ashes get in his eyes.

*Yoda uses telekinesis to drop a multi-ton boulder on Gandalf's head*

Gandalf tosses the boulder unto the ashes.

*Yoda force shoves Gandalf off a cliff*

Gandalf, liking things to be clean, sweeps the ashes off a cliff.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 10:12pm

Balrog wrote:Like said before, Radagast was like Dr. Doolittle, so much so that he gave up caring for the speaking peoples of Middle Earth.

It's safe to say he could probably call on his animal friends to do some damage

There was Saruman the White, who had mastery of persuasion etc...
Gandalf the Grey who had mastery of fire and some of ther stuff
Radagast the Brown who had mastery of animals etc and who sent that bird to talk to Gandalf atop Isengraad....
There were two blue ones aswell I think....though as I recall they vanished in the wastelands......

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-10 10:13pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I love all these supposedly uber-powerful immortal god-killing Tolkien characters that never actually DO anything. Gee, remember when Gandalf annhilated all those orcs in Moria? Oh wait, that didn't happen.

Read my previous posts.

What about his awesome fight with the Balrog, which consisted more or less entirely of falling down a hole? Very impressive. Not. Yoda would hack him into 47 pieces before he knew what hit him.

I would have thought you people actually READ THE BOOK!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 10:15pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I love all these supposedly uber-powerful immortal god-killing Tolkien characters that never actually DO anything. Gee, remember when Gandalf annhilated all those orcs in Moria? Oh wait, that didn't happen.
Read my previous posts.
What about his awesome fight with the Balrog, which consisted more or less entirely of falling down a hole? Very impressive. Not. Yoda would hack him into 47 pieces before he knew what hit him.

I would have thought you people actually READ THE BOOK!

Point them in the direction of the Silmarillion where it explains what Gandalf really is and where he really came from....

He isnt a dodgy old man, he isnt even a man......

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-10 10:15pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
There was Saruman the White, who had mastery of persuasion etc...
Gandalf the Grey who had mastery of fire and some of ther stuff
Radagast the Brown who had mastery of animals etc and who sent that bird to talk to Gandalf atop Isengraad....

Um, I thought Gandalf sent the bird to Radagast requesting help.

There were two blue ones aswell I think....though as I recall they vanished in the wastelands......

I thought they returned to Valinor. Maybe they did vanish. They were long gone by the time of the Fellowship. Maybe a Balrog ate them.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-10 10:18pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:
There was Saruman the White, who had mastery of persuasion etc...
Gandalf the Grey who had mastery of fire and some of ther stuff
Radagast the Brown who had mastery of animals etc and who sent that bird to talk to Gandalf atop Isengraad....
Um, I thought Gandalf sent the bird to Radagast requesting help.
There were two blue ones aswell I think....though as I recall they vanished in the wastelands......
I thought they returned to Valinor. Maybe they did vanish. They were long gone by the time of the Fellowship. Maybe a Balrog ate them.

I reread it just a while back....Radagast had sent a messenger bird to tell something to Gandy, but then Gandy had sent it back to get the King of the Eagles to carry him to Rohan where he sort of borrowed Shadowfax.....then he went to Bree, then to Weathertop (before the Strider and Co.) then on to Rivendell....

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-10 10:20pm

I REALLY dislike it when people base all their knowledge on LOTR on the movies.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-10 10:26pm

[quote="Keevan_Colton
There was Saruman the White, who had mastery of persuasion etc...
Gandalf the Grey who had mastery of fire and some of ther stuff
Radagast the Brown who had mastery of animals etc and who sent that bird to talk to Gandalf atop Isengraad....
There were two blue ones aswell I think....though as I recall they vanished in the wastelands......[/quote]

The Blue Wizards (named so because they arrived dressed in sea-blue) were Pallando and Alatar, who went into the East with Saruman after coming to Middle Earth. But while Saruman returned, they never were heard off again, and it is rumored they were the founders or beginners of secret cults and "magic" traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-10 10:54pm

Exonerate wrote:Gandalf is barred from using his powers on Yoda, because he is not a Maiar+. Without his magic, all he has is that stick and sword.

Alright, then Yoda is barred from using his powers on Gandalf, since he is not a Jedi. Looks like it's two old guys with their walking sticks against each other. Pffft.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-10 10:59pm

I'd pay money to see that

As for the contest at hand...all out war...unless Yoda is doing Emperor level feats as Palpatine did Dark Empire, I'd gie it more to Gandalf.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-01-10 11:05pm

hmm I know this is going by the films but...I wonder if yoda could last long stabbing at the back of a balrog? Nowyou must remember that that back is ON FIRE!

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-10 11:49pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:I have no idea what Radagast had mastery of. Saruman was great at his voice and tricking people. Gandalf has mastery of fire (and he had the Ring of Fire).

GAT, I'd thought I'd give you the reference for this one. FOTR pg 336.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy Wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue and has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."

This Gandalf speaking about Radagast at the Council of Elrond. Thus, if you wanted a good smoke, Rady would be your man!

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-10 11:53pm

Balrog wrote:[quote="Keevan_Colton
There was Saruman the White, who had mastery of persuasion etc...
Gandalf the Grey who had mastery of fire and some of ther stuff
Radagast the Brown who had mastery of animals etc and who sent that bird to talk to Gandalf atop Isengraad....

Don't forget that Saruman was one Aule's people and thus, he would have had great knowledge of metals and metal work. He even made his own.

Did Gandalf have mastery over fire or rather was it his Elvish ring that gave him this power?

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-10 11:55pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I love all these supposedly uber-powerful immortal god-killing Tolkien characters that never actually DO anything. Gee, remember when Gandalf annhilated all those orcs in Moria? Oh wait, that didn't happen. What about his awesome fight with the Balrog, which consisted more or less entirely of falling down a hole? Very impressive. Not. Yoda would hack him into 47 pieces before he knew what hit him.

Gee, remember reading the book.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-11 12:06am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Exonerate wrote:Gandalf is barred from using his powers on Yoda, because he is not a Maiar+. Without his magic, all he has is that stick and sword.

Why? IIRC the only reasons Gandalf didn't use his powers on anybody other then Saruman and Balrog was
1. Every Wraith, Balrog and other bad magic guy would instantly know where he was and start coming.
2. The Valor wanted Middle-Earth to save itself. The Istari were there to guide.

I mean, the only one who could match Gandalf the White in Middle-Earth is Tom, and Sauron.

All hail the Mighty Tom Bombadil!
Slayer of Orcs!
Giver of Fiery Deaths!
Bane of Sauron!
Tom rocks man.
Hm... I detect a new thread here.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-11 12:11am

Captain tycho wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Exonerate wrote:Gandalf is barred from using his powers on Yoda, because he is not a Maiar+. Without his magic, all he has is that stick and sword.

Why? IIRC the only reasons Gandalf didn't use his powers on anybody other then Saruman and Balrog was
1. Every Wraith, Balrog and other bad magic guy would instantly know where he was and start coming.
2. The Valor wanted Middle-Earth to save itself. The Istari were there to guide.

I mean, the only one who could match Gandalf the White in Middle-Earth is Tom, and Sauron.
All hail the Mighty Tom Bombadil!
Slayer of Orcs!
Giver of Fiery Deaths!
Bane of Sauron!
Tom rocks man.
Hm... I detect a new thread here.

Tom Bombadil v. Q?

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-11 12:46am

what about Lando vs Illuvitar?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-01-11 11:03am

Perhaps Morgoth vs Mara Jade?

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-11 11:09am

Smaug vs. Leia

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-11 11:36am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:For gods sakes people, Gandalf is an Istari! A Maia! He defeated a Balrog, the feared servants of the Dark Lord!

How?

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-11 11:48am

Basically they fought a running battle for several days (Gandalf is pretty vauge when describing it, but it involves plenty of flashs and bangs

) until they get to the top of the mountain, whereas Gandalf strikes down the Balrog, who falls over and takes a good chunk of the mountain with him.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-11 11:53am

Balrog wrote:Basically they fought a running battle for several days (Gandalf is pretty vauge when describing it, but it involves plenty of flashs and bangs ) until they get to the top of the mountain, whereas Gandalf strikes down the Balrog, who falls over and takes a good chunk of the mountain with him.

Deliberately vague, just like I remember it. It's amazing how people can take such airy-fariy no idea what exactly happened (it was a balrog! it was big and scary!) situations into" he could easily beat Yoda, because I like LOTR!"

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-11 12:15pm

Well, it's kinda like "Could Yoda beat a Balrog?" Which is highly doubtful IMO.

But that's besides the point, the point being that with Gandalf's more well-known powers he could easily beat Yoda.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-11 12:18pm

Balrog wrote:Well, it's kinda like "Could Yoda beat a Balrog?" Which is highly doubtful IMO.

Why? What does a Balrog do? Is it immune to a lightsabre?

But that's besides the point, the point being that with Gandalf's more well-known powers he could easily beat Yoda.

Gandalf's more well known powers? Like what? What's to stop Yoda from merely spinning him around like a top and giving him a tree enema?

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Gandalf the white vs yoda AOTC

Who would win in a fight