use for b5 ships

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[quote="starfury"]For example, when Ivonova threatens a freighter captain with a 200 megawatt pulse cannon (the type of weapon that the station was upgraded to mount), it becomes an "inconsistency," or an antipersonnel cannon that she would use to mow down the crew. Why can't it be taken at face value? They will see a large Minbari warcruiser and a smaller warcruiser in the same episode; and the smaller one becomes an inconsistency. How can this be justified? What if the big one is an inconsistency? After all, the official length is 600 meters. Not 1600, but 600. So why is the smaller one an "inconsistency?"

[quote]It's 600 long, 1,600 Tall. And the pulse cannon is the one inside the bay, not an external weapon.

[Master of Ossus]

Starfury weapons are only 40 MW and 20 MW, respective of type. Why would they have an anti-personnel cannon that is 5 times as powerful as the ones for starship combat mounted on their starfighters? Or, are their starfighters weaker than people?

[paladin]

Even compared to ST ships, B5 ships are still inferior.

You're kidding, right? The low end calc for Mimbari Neutron cannons is 250 MT/sec, with 500 MT being more likly. And it mounts 18 of them, plus 18 Fusion Beam Cannons, 24 Light Neutron Cannons, 24 Light Fusion Beam Cannons, 1 Antimatter Cannons, 2 Light Antimatter Cannons, and 4 Missile Tubes. Omegas are designed to be able to hold their own against them (Though really they can't unless its 2:1) and Warlocks are better then them. Centuari cruisers are about the same strength as EA ships, with the Narn shortly behind them (Which changed with the ISA). Weapons range has been pegged for around 10,000 km based on LotR, even though parts of the shows indicate a higher range, and their missiles are rated at 500 MT based on the ones the Narn provided at the end of the Shadow War. Plus their defensive systems would do great against Trek weapons, as Interceptors would stop phasers cold and their hulls deflect 80% of all the weapons damage.

When it comes to debates between ST and B5, it comes down to 2 things: Damage absorption (In typical trekkie fashion, they cling to the fact a 2 MT bomb took out the Black Star, ignoring how much damage the ships were able to take in the many battles in the series) and FTL travel (always comes down to "Trek would blow up the jump gates!" )

No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km. Even if the best B5 ships had similiar acceleration to a ST ship, a smart Trekkie would argue that the ST ship would use its longer weapons range to advantage. But when have we ever seen a smart trekkie?

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Starfury weapons are only 40 MW and 20 MW, respective of type. Why would they have an anti-personnel cannon that is 5 times as powerful as the ones for starship combat mounted on their starfighters? Or, are their starfighters weaker than people?

All the numbers I've seen used place the starfury canons at 50GJ, not 40 MW

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No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km. Even if the best B5 ships had similiar acceleration to a ST ship, a smart Trekkie would argue that the ST ship would use its longer weapons range to advantage. But when have we ever seen a smart trekkie?

The best ships do have comparable acceleration, see the ever popular whitestar vs defiant threads. And Poe disproved the 300,000 km range long ago, see his site for reference.

[Master of Ossus]

No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km. Even if the best B5 ships had similiar acceleration to a ST ship, a smart Trekkie would argue that the ST ship would use its longer weapons range to advantage. But when have we ever seen a smart trekkie?

So? SW ships have thousands of g's worth fo acceleration and extremely long weapons ranges.

[paladin]

No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km. Even if the best B5 ships had similiar acceleration to a ST ship, a smart Trekkie would argue that the ST ship would use its longer weapons range to advantage. But when have we ever seen a smart trekkie?

The best ships do have comparable acceleration, see the ever popular whitestar vs defiant threads. And Poe disproved the 300,000 km range long ago, see his site for reference.

What range was Poe stating for ST weapon ranges? I remember the Enterprise in TOS had a phaser range of 75,000 km. I would imagine the phaser range in TNG would be the same or greater.

[paladin]

No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km. Even if the best B5 ships had similiar acceleration to a ST ship, a smart Trekkie would argue that the ST ship would use its longer weapons range to advantage. But when have we ever seen a smart trekkie?

So? SW ships have thousands of g's worth fo acceleration and extremely long weapons ranges.

And you state this why? Anybody that takes the time to read this site knows SW are better overall compared to ST.

[starfury]

No, I wasn't kidding. ST ships have higher acceleration and longer weapon ranges. ST ships have accelerations of hundreds of g's and weapon range of 300,000 km

I know ST ships do have higher acceleration but I am not so sure ST ships in the TNG era has longer weapon ranges, indeed both current Trek and b5 have very short weapon ranges as indicated by the visuals and I tend to take FX over dialogue anyday.

The pure technical advantage of trek ships over b5 ships are rather small, but they do have shields and higher acceleration, their firepower is not so superiour however as even low-tech omega-class destoryers have 10 terrawatts or higher weapons, I still remenber back on brian young's board where we managed to debate b5 weapons to around this standard for EF weapons at least, narn/centauri ships are slightly weaker and minbari ships have far greater power, even Brian young, who runs babtech with it's low-end estimates for b5 did not too much problem for this estimate.

[Master of Ossus]

The primary advantage of B5 ships is that they are more compatible with Imperial technology. Generally speaking, they have similar space allotted for their propulsion and weapons, and they could easily be used as escort carriers, ferrying starfighters into battle while attempting to stay away from other ships. ST ships do not have these advantages. Their propulsion systems would have to be completely redesigned in order to make them compatible. They have VERY small hangars, and they have weapons hardpoints that are clearly incompatible with standard SW weapons. These would all make the cost of refitting ST ships far greater than that of refitting B5 ships.

Now, the cost of refitting B5 ships might be too great, anyway, but it would be smaller than that of converting and refitting ST ships.

[StarshipTitanic]

Target practice. They have great acceleration and manuverablity and would be great should the turbolasers be brought down to 0.000001% power.

The exception would be White Stars, which would make good pirate fighters.