darthbob88 wrote:Ghetto Edit: Actually, one other point. After the threats and intimidation portion, offer Earth some of the advanced technology used by the fleet; cures for cancer and the common cold, working fusion reactors, etc. Make it known to as much of the world as possible that they can only gain this technology if they surrender immediately.
Why not just offer this technology for exhorbitant prices? Then you can offer a "reasonable" loan to all participating earth governments, wherein they must supply you with x minerals, ships, whatever per year to pay off the interest. Failure to pay will result in a deactivation of all tech items, and quite a setback to the Earth economy. Any humans willing to join your fleet and view the galaxy must pay for their passage with labor.
Why fight when you make an obscene profit by taking advantage of the backwards natives?
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darthbob88 wrote:Ghetto Edit: Actually, one other point. After the threats and intimidation portion, offer Earth some of the advanced technology used by the fleet; cures for cancer and the common cold, working fusion reactors, etc. Make it known to as much of the world as possible that they can only gain this technology if they surrender immediately.
Why not just offer this technology for exhorbitant prices? Then you can offer a "reasonable" loan to all participating earth governments, wherein they must supply you with x minerals, ships, whatever per year to pay off the interest. Failure to pay will result in a deactivation of all tech items, and quite a setback to the Earth economy. Any humans willing to join your fleet and view the galaxy must pay for their passage with labor.
Why fight when you make an obscene profit by taking advantage of the backwards natives?
Conquering them opens up all of Earths resources to your disposal, and you can take as much as you want.
Opening trade with Earth, not so much.
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When the Daleks conquered Earth, they did so by first bombarding the planet with plague missiles to reduce the population and bring Earth's civilisation to a state of barbarism before moving in with the troops. If I have five years to pull off the conquest, I'd use a variation on that strategem.
If time is a critical factor, I use a relativistic projectile to wreak destruction sufficient to eliminate a substantial percentage of Earth's population and organised civilisation without necessarily causing ELE-level destruction. Likely the planet's thrown into chaos before my troops arrive and I won't be facing hi-tech opposition, assuming I face any at all after the Fall of the Hammer. Earth's resources are still intact and there will be enough survivors for an exploitable slave labour force.
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The first step would be to take down their satellites.
They're easily replaceable after conquering with our own, superior tech.
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Why blow anything up. Just either brain wash the leaders into following you, offer them bribes in the form of technology or just clone new leaders that will follow your instructions.
While clones might cost extra using only say a couple of dozen for the most powerful leaders and business men you won't be needing a lot of ships and troops which can be sent else where.
I'm a fan of the EMP bombardment, knock out higher technology (easily replaceable) and then move in with a mothership or two for subjugation.
Quick and efficient, leaves the populace and resources intact but effectively knocks the wind out of enemy resistance.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:So, the James Bond Spoof Villain strategy then?
I'm a fan of the EMP bombardment, knock out higher technology (easily replaceable) and then move in with a mothership or two for subjugation.
Quick and efficient, leaves the populace and resources intact but effectively knocks the wind out of enemy resistance.
EMP is highly overrated. Most modern military systems are hardened against it.
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And by purpose, most communications systems as well.
Try getting the military to do anything useful when the general populace is in the dark ages, regardless of whether or not the military can even get word along to the doers before it's too late.
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The undoubtedly brilliant alien engineers at my disposal will construct some sort of memetic plague that essentially hypnotizes (or whatever) the populace into obedience. We will distribute this plague through the mobile phone network, because any area that doesn't have mobile phone coverage can probably be subdued easily anyway.
Failing that, I jump into orbit, demonstrate some reasonably absurd level of firepower, and demand surrender. I will then watch the natives flail helplessly for a bit, shoot whatever pathetic attack they think to mount at me out of the skies, make my demand again, and now warn that whoever tries anything funny gets the crap blasted out of them. I won't treat Earth as a single entity, but reward nations that obey by promising them a fair deal under the occupation, and punish nations that resist by crippling them from orbit. That ought to get the message across pretty swiftly, and with minimal fuss. Although I might have to annihilate a few religious fucknuggets from orbit, but hey- target practice for my fleet's targeteers is always welcome.
As part of the terms is to be as low-tech as possible..
Firstly, get as many willing participants as possible. Trade high-tech industrial capability for full member-participation in the mercenary force, with of course required productivity, food, and manpower quotas to be handed over to the force. Provide them with the necessary means to meet those goals. This phase is done quietly. As for anyone who doesn't take to the offer..
Just need some sizable rocks. Enough to flatten a few square miles, but not big enough to cause major environmental harm.
Lead off the invasion by dropping them on major political/cultural centers of any nation that refused the 'nice' offer. New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo. Let them take a few hits before demanding complete subservience. Explain that if they are compliant, they can continue their lives in much the same way as before, but that resistance will be met with the utter annihilation of the population local to the rebellion, with more of those space rocks. A society that refuses to even be useful as slaves is only useful as an example to others. If absolutely necessary, drop Phobos onto Mars and explain that we can do the same to the Earth and her Moon if they don't like the terms. Their position is completely hopeless if they resist, and that point must be made clear.
Technology will be provided to maximize the industrial capacity and raise Earth's technological level to a sufficient level which can actually benefit the mercenary force, and competent personnel can be added to the fleet and earn standard mercenary wages.
Nuke a minor city(Dublin, Glasgow, etc.). Threaten to nuke major cities if Earth doesn't surrender. If they don't surrender, do it, and then demand that they surrender. The politicians will have no choice but to comply, and all I need is a medium sized ship and a few nukes.
Why all the love for destroying a city right off the bat? Can't you at least demonstrate the Awesome Firepower™ of your Fully Operational Battlestation on something that doesn't get loads of people killed?
I mean, I love excessive force as much as the next guy, but you could at least try to convince the natives in a fashion that doesn't involve blasting thousands of them into orbit and little bits, before moving over to a method that does if the first method fails.
State your intent, let them try helplessly to come up with a Smart Plan for a bit, and when everything they tried has failed, you can restate your demand, and then if they still don't acknowledge your superiority I guess you could always move over to blasting stuff from orbit. After all, it's not as if your super merc force of doom is in any way threatened by our little ball of dirt, so I fail to see why we should engage in shock and awe real estaet destruction of the Hiroshima-type right off the bat.
weemadando wrote:Read Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke. The Overlords method of deceiving mankind into subjugation seemed to be a good move. Play the long game.
yeah the Overlords talked about simple things...like blocking the sun, or deploying specific sound frequencies to incapacitate human leaders or allowing one of thier human contacts to be captured and then rescued "like magic".
One alternative that may work along the lines of the bioweapon idea, would be to engineer a plague that your race already has a sufficient immunity built up to and disseminate it throughout Earth's atmosphere. As people start dying off by the thousands you come in and offer a "cure" in exchange for complete subservience. Providing time isn't too critical of a factor.
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Offer access to wondrous technology and full Galactic citizenship on the condition that complete sovereignty of every square centimetre of earth is handed over. Sweeten the deal by granting a small proportion of every nation passage to a another world of their choice, taking their families with them. This offer is non-negotiable and if they refuse, drop an asteroid in a relatively deserted but highly visible area, and explain to them that are much nastier powers out there who would not have been so kind as us. Make the offer again. If they once again refuse, zap Mt Everest with a huge laser, and explain that we have enemies who would never have given them so many chances. If they still yet refuse, my temper goes and Plan B is activated:
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I drop rocks on the primitive bastards until they scream for mercy.
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ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:But civilian systems generally are not.
And by purpose, most communications systems as well.
Try getting the military to do anything useful when the general populace is in the dark ages, regardless of whether or not the military can even get word along to the doers before it's too late.
The point is that if the object is to neutralise military opposition, which is who any invader really has to worry about as they've got the heavy weapons and the protected communications, EMP is utterly inadequate to the task. The objections you cite have already been taken into account for carrying on military operations as well as emergency governance in the environment of protracted nuclear warfare and would apply to this scenario as well.
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Lord Revan wrote:I'd stay away from NBC weapon as they can and do cause alot of uneeded damage/problems and can backfire really badly, especially bio-weapons
Biological weapons can't backfire if you're an alien species with an entirely different biological makeup, probably not even using DNA.
They most certainly can, when one of the mission parameters is to minimize loss of planetary resources, including people and animals. If that sucker mutates, it could very well kill everyone off, thus rendering your mission a ghastly failure.
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SiegeTank wrote:Why all the love for destroying a city right off the bat? Can't you at least demonstrate the Awesome Firepower™ of your Fully Operational Battlestation on something that doesn't get loads of people killed?
I mean, I love excessive force as much as the next guy, but you could at least try to convince the natives in a fashion that doesn't involve blasting thousands of them into orbit and little bits, before moving over to a method that does if the first method fails.
State your intent, let them try helplessly to come up with a Smart Plan for a bit, and when everything they tried has failed, you can restate your demand, and then if they still don't acknowledge your superiority I guess you could always move over to blasting stuff from orbit. After all, it's not as if your super merc force of doom is in any way threatened by our little ball of dirt, so I fail to see why we should engage in shock and awe real estaet destruction of the Hiroshima-type right off the bat.
That's what I said. The Earth has a built-in retarded sidekick boy in the Moon, and beating the shit out of a hero's sidekick is a surefire way to prove your Villain-chops.
Carving the words "SURRENDER OR DIE" in gigantic letters on the Moon's surface so that they're visible with the naked eye from Earth would be a pretty impressive demonstration.
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This is the Dr. Who Universe and you guess that the Doctor is likely to turn up. You are also aware of UNIT and Torchwood. Do you change your plans at all? Your information on the Doctor is the same as anyone who has heard and read of his adventures (as if they were on TV.)
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This is the Dr. Who Universe and you guess that the Doctor is likely to turn up. You are also aware of UNIT and Torchwood. Do you change your plans at all? Your information on the Doctor is the same as anyone who has heard and read of his adventures (as if they were on TV.)
In that case, Torchwood is ground zero for demonstration of intent. Given they have some energy weapon that can seriously fuck up a spacecraft, it's target #1.
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This is the Dr. Who Universe and you guess that the Doctor is likely to turn up. You are also aware of UNIT and Torchwood. Do you change your plans at all? Your information on the Doctor is the same as anyone who has heard and read of his adventures (as if they were on TV.)
Include shoot on sight orders for killing the doctor maybe and have regular patrols of competent soldiers aboard ship? I mean i know he's supposed to regenerate and stuff (surely you'd be able to just keep shooting him though?) but I dont think anyone in the revival series have even tried shooting him despite the numerous opportunities. As for UNIT, are they like torchwood and only able to deploy soldiers completely unequipped with heavy weapons?
Actually UNIT are irrelevant unless they can magic themselves up to the floating deathships everyone is proposing, though if they can pull of a torchwood lasercannon of doom like in the christmas invasion we might want to mount 'detect ultratech' devices on the ships to pre-emptively splode said lasercannon.
Though really the doctor is only dangerous if he's allowed to mess with ultratechnology of some form or another.
Why not try posing as a god first? It's worked for cowing civilizations in our own past. Exhibiting your wrath in suitably religious-themed ways will probably help, particularly against odd-man-out religions who think you're the devil or what have you.
If that doesn't work, hey: there's always bombardment of those plucky humans with asteroids.
Darkevilme wrote:
Include shoot on sight orders for killing the doctor maybe and have regular patrols of competent soldiers aboard ship? I mean i know he's supposed to regenerate and stuff (surely you'd be able to just keep shooting him though?) but I dont think anyone in the revival series have even tried shooting him despite the numerous opportunities.
He's had his hand cut off before during the middle of a regeneration sequence. Apparently if he's in the first 15 hours of regenerating to a new body he can just regrow a part that's been cut off. I'd assume this applies to smaller injuries as well, though sufficient firepower should be able to permanently kill him.
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