These clones Suck. I wish I had something better.

CaptHawkeye · Post by **CaptHawkeye** » 2007-07-09 08:02am

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, can you imagine what a conversation between two Hartmans would be like?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-07-09 08:49am

CaptHawkeye wrote:Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, can you imagine what a conversation between two Hartmans would be like?

With Dr Cox making up the Medical Corps.

The_Last_Rebel · Post by **The_Last_Rebel** » 2007-07-11 06:34am

Jack Bauer: intelligent, incredibly tough, can run on full steam for 24 hours or perhaps even longer without rest or eating, and can take someone out without a second thought.

Eleventh Century Remnant · Post by **Eleventh Century Remnant** » 2007-07-11 07:05am

Yes, but Bauer's only been doing that for six days and already he looks shattered. Khan was too arrogant to make a good clone- that and you have to wonder; the seeds of the republic go back twenty-five thousand years. The whole thousand generation bit.

So, at the beginning of the republic they were a little further on than we are now. How much genetic drift could you expect in another thousand generations?
That's roughly the distance between Neandertal and modern man, isn't it? We know there are 'near-humans', adaptations to various environments, and- well. The humans of the GFFA take all that extremely complex technology virtually in their stride, so much so that it hardly seems to intrude at all. Is this all cultural, or is there some, for instance, sharper pattern-recognition that makes technical reasoning easier for them?

That aside, leave out a loose cannon like Bauer. I opt for someone who has been living on the edge, in daily mortal combat against a huge variety of lethal foes, not least human stupidity, forthirty years- and he's already a clone.

Judge Joseph Dredd, of Mega-City One.

I can think of half a dozen reasons while this would be a really bad idea, but it would be fun to watch them happening.

General Deathdealer · Post by **General Deathdealer** » 2007-07-11 07:07am

Lord Revan wrote:
Rye wrote:A load of Frank Castles would rule. Excellent military and one-man-war-machine record.

If we're going to suspend the "normal-ish" rules, imagine the sheer wankathon that would be an army full of clones of the God Emperor of Man.
aren't those called Grey Knights?

No entirely. The Adeptes Astartes start out as normal humans, then go through 19 different "operations" to make them Astartes. The Geneseed is implanted before any of the operations, and this is what links them to the rest of their chapter. The geneseeds are made from the genetic material from the Primarchs.
If the Palpatine wants a truly "super soldier" he should clone one of the Primarchs. I would suggest Horus (pre-Davin). He would tear Master Chief apart.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-07-11 07:32am

General Deathdealer wrote:No entirely. The Adeptes Astartes start out as normal humans, then go through 19 different "operations" to make them Astartes. The Geneseed is implanted before any of the operations, and this is what links them to the rest of their chapter. The geneseeds are made from the genetic material from the Primarchs.
If the Palpatine wants a truly "super soldier" he should clone one of the Primarchs. I would suggest Horus (pre-Davin). He would tear Master Chief apart.

I think he's talking about how it's rumoured that the Grey Knights' geneseed comes directly from the Emperor.

General Deathdealer · Post by **General Deathdealer** » 2007-07-11 07:41am

General Schatten wrote: I think he's talking about how it's rumoured that the Grey Knights' geneseed comes directly from the Emperor.

Rye said clones of the Emperor, and Lord Revan said he thought they were the Grey Knights.

But I agree with you (now that I think more about it) that he was probably trying to infer about the geneseed coming from the Emperor.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-07-11 11:47am

Yes I meant the geneseed (I wasn't 100% serious there), as I think that space marines are streching the defination of normal quite alot but the God-Emperor (there's a reason for that title after all) would be tearing that defination asunder as he's not "normal" in by any defination I know of.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-07-11 01:05pm

Riddick.

Physically not that far off from normal - though obviously the clones wouldn't have his unique eyes - but you'd save a bundle on equipment. Just give your army whatever you have lying around, they'll kill anyone with it.

lance · Post by **lance** » 2007-07-11 02:51pm

Spider-man would be perfect, he already has clones, so why not a few billion more. Also he has precog so as to not be totally useless against jedi.

Baal · Post by **Baal** » 2007-07-11 05:54pm

Molyneux wrote:Riddick.

Physically not that far off from normal - though obviously the clones wouldn't have his unique eyes - but you'd save a bundle on equipment. Just give your army whatever you have lying around, they'll kill anyone with it.

Are we assuming that when cloned his "personality" will get cleaned up? Because the last thing you want is a few million fuck all authority types running around with his skills.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2007-07-11 06:02pm

Baal wrote:
Molyneux wrote:Riddick.

Physically not that far off from normal - though obviously the clones wouldn't have his unique eyes - but you'd save a bundle on equipment. Just give your army whatever you have lying around, they'll kill anyone with it.
Are we assuming that when cloned his "personality" will get cleaned up? Because the last thing you want is a few million fuck all authority types running around with his skills.

Hmm...good point. Still, he was military at one point according to the DVD, and if the clones have good reason to follow the Emperor they could be a formidable force.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2007-07-11 06:26pm

Lord Revan wrote:Yes I meant the geneseed (I wasn't 100% serious there), as I think that space marines are streching the defination of normal quite alot but the God-Emperor (there's a reason for that title after all) would be tearing that defination asunder as he's not "normal" in by any defination I know of.

Grey Knights are from Captain Garro(of the Death Guard)'s Gene Seed.

kinnison · Post by **kinnison** » 2007-07-12 11:55am

This somewhat depends on how good your indoctrination procedures are - i.e. whether you can get the clones to agree with your policies and the way you can carry them out. There are many fictional ubermensch who might try to subvert your government.

However, I offer three. Two from my favourite universe - guess which one?

1. Christopher Kinnison (Kimball's son). He is the end result of three billion years plus of selective breeding, is genetically perfect, has an absolutely gigantic amount of mental power and is presumably marginally stronger physically than his sisters.

2. If you need grunts, van Buskirk from the same series.

3. (different verse) Leloo from Fifth Element.

Eleventh Century Remnant · Post by **Eleventh Century Remnant** » 2007-07-12 01:32pm

Do you mean three good choices for mass production as reliable soldiery, or three fictional ubermensch who might try to subvert the government?
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

A beign with an absolutely gigantic amount of mental power, combined with absolute incorruptibility and irresistible drive, would be a good choice to bring justice and order to the galaxy- and I can imagine him frying most of the Jedi Order for dereliction of duty, an added bonus- but a spectacularly bad choice for a Sith Lord to make.

Maybe, if the plans from Dark Empire had come off and Palpatine really had managed to soul drain the entire galaxy into himself, he might take the risk. Maybe. But at that point, who's left to fight?

We don't need a hero; we do need a grunt. An ordinary soldier, good at war, with enough mental resilience and self discipline to serve and fight, without any great talent for disobedience, chaos and mayhem.

vanBuskirk, maybe, but he washed out of Lensman school only because he was a mathematical idiot- not because he wasn't morally up to it. I'm not sure he would toe the Stormtrooper Corps line.

avatarxprime · Post by **avatarxprime** » 2007-07-13 02:46am

I'd pick Shane Gooseman from the The Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers. He is a skilled soldier and the only survivor of the supersoldier program not to go insane. He is skilled in various forms of combat. He has "biological defenses" which are based off a form of shapeshifting that allow him to come up with a defense against attacks provided he has survived it before or something similar as well as adapt to new environments. In addition he has a rapid healing factor.

Atlan · Post by **Atlan** » 2007-07-13 03:07pm

Felix, from the book "Armor".
He's quite a good soldier, knows how to follow order, and just as importantly, which ones not to if the order is insane, but his absolute saving grace:
The motherfucker just WILL NOT DIE.
He's pretty much the ultimate survivor.

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2007-07-13 03:15pm

a younger Col. Saul Tigh, anyone?

the guy is just. you don't want to mess with him. period

or,

a million or so Otto Skorzenys

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-07-13 03:27pm

DrMckay wrote:a younger Col. Saul Tigh, anyone?

the guy is just. you don't want to mess with him. period

You want the Grand Army of the Republic do be a bunch of alocoholic hypocritical bastards? He may be tough as nails but he's erratic and very fucked up.

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2007-07-13 03:31pm

yes, but he's already had practice fighting robots. some in hand-to-hand as well.

And how 'bout a ton of Bill Adama clones as the Clone Commanders. they keep all the tighs awawy from the "Medicinal" brandy, as well as being tactically brilliant.

pure win

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2007-07-13 05:38pm

My choices would be: Fehdman Kassad (But he's been mentioned).
Failing that, the infamous "Cheradenine" Zakalwe, a man who managed to destroy culture tracking gear (including a sentient, advanced hunter-missile) with only the equipment available on a primitive world. Eat your heart out Kyle Reese.

And if you want merely tough cannon fodder (As opposed to ingenious, cunning, versatile bastards that would make hardened SAS veterans weep) then you could always use someone boring, like most Adeptus Astartes candidates (pre modifications), or just a really big & tough human (Like Brag from the Tanith first & Only [40k]) or perhaps a Fish Speaker, Miles Tegg or that wonder candidate for cloning, the reflex updated version of the Great Ginaz Swords master - Duncan Idaho

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-07-13 07:27pm

It's taken this long for someone to say it?

SUPERMAN.

All we need are the Kryptonian genes and we have an army of men of steel. They could just fly into an unshielded Mon Cal cruiser and, I don't know, punch a hole in it? Fly around the rebel base's planet so fast that it goes backwards in time and is never built? Build a new Death Star ultra-fast? Toss a turbolaser into Mon Mothma?

Lord of the Abyss · Post by **Lord of the Abyss** » 2007-07-13 08:08pm

Brock Samson would be interesting. < pictures thousands of Brocks with his patented maniacal look, with facial twitches in unison >

Hell, that's something Venture might actually try.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-07-13 09:44pm

I know! Jason Voorhees!

Just clone the same amount of Pamela Voorhees, kill all the Jasons, then kill all the moms. Provide hockey masks and a variety of bladed weapons.

I'm on a role, so a shitload of Freddies (burn them all and claim that the Rebels did it), an assload of Leatherfaces (tell them that the Rebels are good to cook), and a smidgen of Michael Myers (Immune to lasers? HELL YEAH!).

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-07-13 10:51pm

chitoryu12 wrote:It's taken this long for someone to say it?

SUPERMAN.

All we need are the Kryptonian genes and we have an army of men of steel. They could just fly into an unshielded Mon Cal cruiser and, I don't know, punch a hole in it? Fly around the rebel base's planet so fast that it goes backwards in time and is never built? Build a new Death Star ultra-fast? Toss a turbolaser into Mon Mothma?

Palpatine will NOT be happy with an army of clones that can easily overpower him or overthrow him. (I know I wouldn't be if I were in his position.)