Captain Jack Harkness - species?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-07-13 12:07pm

Stark wrote:I'm not clear on this - are you saying that they're changing the audio on Gridlock after they aired it to include a justification for their super-shit bullshit off-the-cuff dumb crap? UGH!

According to the Last of the Time Lords commentry (I refuse to call is a 'podcast'), they re-recorded Boe's last lines in post-production, after writing Last of the Time Lords. 'Old Friend' in Gridlock is a reference to this. I know of no changes now being made to Gridlock, the 'Old Friend' line was in the version of Gridlock that aired.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-07-15 08:03pm

Lord Woodlouse wrote: Remember, he's from the 51st century. That's before even the humans of the year 200,000 and it's impossibly distant from the state of humanity in the year 5 billion.

The trouble is humanity and it's civilization seems to have not vastly changed, in spite of the literally astronomical timescale and humanity’s similar looking descendents travelling very far indeed - I wager the year 200, 000 was actually more socially, economically, biologically and technologically regressive than Captain Jack's 51st century (but then again the Dalek led Jagrafess conspiracy and the Dalek Emperor bombing the Milky Way's capital didn't help things) and New Earth's civilization was not problem free as well. The human race was facing Dark Ages when it was a spacebound society and they even chose to revert to humanoid form again well after the year 5 billion.

And I'm on the fence regarding the revelation of Captain Jack eventually ending up as the Face of Boe - it doesn't really contradict primary DW canon, Boe turning up in the year 200, 000 could easily be explained away by the Face of Boe having access to time travel and Captain Jack is aging despite his veritable indestructibility. Bear in mind if Jack Barrowman his playing his Captain Jack role six to ten years later, he'd have aged significantly and would start to resemble NCIS's Mark Harmon...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-07-16 08:10am

Big Orange wrote:New Earth's civilization was not problem free as well.

I cheered when it was revealed that the 'undercity' of N(*15)NY was caused by everyone outside dying. Because that particular Judge Dredd cliché is tired and old now.

Hitch Hiker · Post by **Hitch Hiker** » 2007-07-16 04:24pm

Interesting quote i just found from 'The Long Game'

Cathica: ...And over on the Bad Wolf channel, the Face of Boe has just announced he's pregnant.

I wonder what ever happened to his offspring...or could it simply be a line they threw into to keep with the Bad Wolf theme and werent even thinking of the Face of Boe theme at this time?

Hitch Hiker · Post by **Hitch Hiker** » 2007-07-16 04:36pm

Also from 'The Doctor Dances'

The Doctor: Coming out of the walls, can you feel it? [Jack and Rose look stunned] Funny little human brains. How do you get around in those things?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-07-16 04:46pm

NecronLord wrote: I cheered when it was revealed that the 'undercity' of N(*15)NY was caused by everyone outside dying. Because that particular Judge Dredd cliché is tired and old now.

Another nod to the Judge Dredd series: that guy in the last van who looked like a stereotypical 1930s/40s/60s English businessman with the bowler hat and umbrella was RTD's nod to Max Normal, a quirky Mega City 1 citizen. Also the Master ruling over a ruined society with the help of the alien Toclafane and human minions was remarkably similar to Chief Judge Cal's reign of terror from The Day the Law Died serial (which I'm reading now).

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2007-07-16 05:29pm

Hitch Hiker wrote:Interesting quote i just found from 'The Long Game'

Cathica: ...And over on the Bad Wolf channel, the Face of Boe has just announced he's pregnant.

I wonder what ever happened to his offspring...or could it simply be a line they threw into to keep with the Bad Wolf theme and werent even thinking of the Face of Boe theme at this time?

Supposedly they lived around 40 years each. The implication being that they were Boeforms.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-07-16 06:35pm

Big Orange wrote:
Another nod to the Judge Dredd series: that guy in the last van who looked like a stereotypical 1930s/40s/60s English businessman with the bowler hat and umbrella was RTD's nod to Max Normal, a quirky Mega City 1 citizen.

Fucking Max Normal? Seriously?

That's awesome.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2007-07-17 04:08pm

Are we sure his powers arise from Jack being part alien? Maybe people in the 51st century used genetic engineering to improve themselves a bit? Or would that technically make him sorta part alien anyway?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-07-17 06:30pm

Hitch Hiker wrote:Interesting quote i just found from 'The Long Game'

Cathica: ...And over on the Bad Wolf channel, the Face of Boe has just announced he's pregnant.

I wonder what ever happened to his offspring...or could it simply be a line they threw into to keep with the Bad Wolf theme and werent even thinking of the Face of Boe theme at this time?

There was a significant FoB backstory developed over many years before they threw out this drunken afterparty bullshit. So Stupid Even RTD Has Second Thoughts? Powerful stuff.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2007-07-17 06:44pm

Stark wrote:
Hitch Hiker wrote:Interesting quote i just found from 'The Long Game'

Cathica: ...And over on the Bad Wolf channel, the Face of Boe has just announced he's pregnant.

I wonder what ever happened to his offspring...or could it simply be a line they threw into to keep with the Bad Wolf theme and werent even thinking of the Face of Boe theme at this time?
There was a significant FoB backstory developed over many years before they threw out this drunken afterparty bullshit. So Stupid Even RTD Has Second Thoughts? Powerful stuff.

Even RTD? You loved the man a few months ago, saw him as the potential saviour of Torchwood!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-07-17 06:49pm

Oh sorry, 'better writer than complete monkeys' does not exclude 'man of silliness'. If we'd had even 'Last of the Lame Plots'-level writing for Torchwood, the show WOULDN'T have sucked as bad. And even 'Last of the Saint Lamers' was better than 'Let's Ruin the Daleks So Nobody Wants Them Back'.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-07-19 10:00pm

Russell T. Davies is a mostly competent writer, but he has been stretched dramitically thin in the last two seasons and "Last of the Time Lords" felt too much of retread of the last two better final episodes (although at least it didn't feature Daleks and it was entertaining enough, in spite of Davies knocking out the script within four days). And while I agree with Stark that a mediocre or average Doctor Who episode is better than Torchwood, I disagree that 50% of Season Three was shit, due to David Tennant toning down his performance somewhat alongside Season Three hosting an almost pitch perfect run of episodes from "Human Nature" up until "The Sound of Drums".