Trek and 40K Crossover Scenario

[Stormbringer]

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.

There's also the fact that the Tau can manage at least a small (by 40K standards) Empire while being psyker-blind. They've got no Navigators at all yet they can manage short jumps even among the chaos of the warp.

It wouldn't be hard for them to manage a crushing local superiority to any Star Trek power at the very least.

[Azazal]

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.

There's also the fact that the Tau can manage at least a small (by 40K standards) Empire while being psyker-blind. They've got no Navigators at all yet they can manage short jumps even among the chaos of the warp.

It wouldn't be hard for them to manage a crushing local superiority to any Star Trek power at the very least.

Now that dos raise an interesting scenario, Tau meet the Feddies, or BATTLE OF THE SPACE COMMIES!! Actually I can see them teaming, the feds thinking they gained a new powerful ally, only to find out they are the new Tau thrall race.

[CycloneRider052]

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.

Navigators existed pre-Age of Strife didn't they? Isn't the only reason they need the Astronomican now is because Chaos screwed with the Warp so bad after Slaanesh was born?

[CycloneRider052]

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.

Navigators existed pre-Age of Strife didn't they? Isn't the only reason they need the Astronomican now is because Chaos screwed with the Warp so bad after Slaanesh was born?

Ghetto Edit: Dis-regard, somehow missed Brother-Captain Gaius answering my exact question.

[Stormbringer]

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.

Navigators existed pre-Age of Strife didn't they? Isn't the only reason they need the Astronomican now is because Chaos screwed with the Warp so bad after Slaanesh was born?

Navigators probably existed during the closing millenia of the Dark Age of Technology as we known that psykers (of which they are a peculiar offshoot) were coming into being at that time. So Navigators as such existed.

However they didn't actually navigate at the time. For most of the Dark Age of Technology the Warp was in a lull state, warp space relatively calm, and the Chaos powers of the period relatively weak. Mutants and psykers among humanity were rare even compared to "now". Humanity used mechanical substitutes, regular humans, and other more archaic means of navigating the warp with a great deal of success thanks to the favorable conditions. I believe it's mentioned that warp speeds were much greater as a result, enabling a much more integrated galatic diaspora.

That all ended when the Age of Strife began. The Eldar melted down, the Chaos powers fed off the growing instability, the warp went to hell with storms and realspace incursions. Humanity went mad as a partial result and everything went to hell. At some point during this primitive psykers and Navigators came to the for, at least for luckier civilizations.

The Navis Nobilitae and it's Great Houses were formed by Imperial Charter (in much the same way as the Adeptus Astares) at the very start of the Imperium. So they're an old organization but the present structure of society only goes back to the founding of the Imperium; before that date it was a patchwork.

[Azazal]

The Navis Nobilitae and it's Great Houses were formed by Imperial Charter (in much the same way as the Adeptus Astares) at the very start of the Imperium. So they're an old organization but the present structure of society only goes back to the founding of the Imperium; before that date it was a patchwork.

Hmmm. My 40K sense does not like this, however, my books are packed away at the moment so I can't cite at the moment. But I recall the Navigators coming into being around the 10th millennium and being key to faster longer warp jumps, mechanical and normal human only jumps being the standard before that. With the ability to make warp travel faster and further, the navigator houses came to control space travel much in the same way as the navigators in DUNE. But as I said, my books are not handy so take with much salt.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Hmmm. My 40K sense does not like this, however, my books are packed away at the moment so I can't cite at the moment. But I recall the Navigators coming into being around the 10th millennium and being key to faster longer warp jumps, mechanical and normal human only jumps being the standard before that. With the ability to make warp travel faster and further, the navigator houses came to control space travel much in the same way as the navigators in DUNE. But as I said, my books are not handy so take with much salt.

M22-M25 saw the first Navigators, according to the timeline in the back of all the Horus Heresy books.

[Connor MacLeod]

I thought the whole point of Navigators and the Astronomicon was because the Warp in the 40K galaxy was so bloody turbulent and unpredictable? Its basically just a beacon to fix on and helps ships maintain a straight-line navigational course. Same with the astropathic beacon network and non-Astronomican Navigator ability (both of which extend over 10-20 LY per astropath/Navigator, IIRC.)

Some 40K ships I recall (Imperium and Eldar mainly, but maybe Chaos) can use non-Astropath, non-Navigator means (computers?) to travel over very short distances (4-5 LY tops) - it only becomes unreliable over distancese greater than that becuase of the nature of the Warp (turbulence and whatnot.)

What I'm driving at is that the Impeirum in the ST galaxy would be in an essentially "Calm" immaterium - the ST galaxy by definition cannot comprise the sort of extensive psychic-based disturbances the 40K galaxy does because they can't tap it the way races like Humans and eldar can (no modifications for on ething - they'd be more like the Tau.)

[Academia Nut]

The Astronomicon is indeed necessary for the Imperium to utilize long range Warp travel in the 40th millenium, but the Navigators were developed well beforehand and are why there are human colonies on the opposite side of the galaxy from the Dark Age of Technology. Basically it seems that Navigators + Astronomicon = roughly the same speed as Navigators before the Warp went all screwy. So yeah, in the calm Alpha Quadrant the Imperium would retain their speed advantage and might even be able to set non-time travel speed records with a temporary Warp beacon set-up as a nav point.

But yeah, the Imperium is regarded as being able to get into a slugging match with the Galactic Empire and give a good showing through sheer meanness alone despite the fact that they fall down on the points of FTL speed, space combat, and general industrial capacity. And we know how badly the GE could beat down the Federation.