Harry Dresden versus Darth Vader.

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He also managed to cook a courtyard full of Red Court Vampires by calling up a fire storm that had flames 40 to 50 feet tall mind you this was after a power eating specter from hell made a snack out of his soul and his powers leaving him a mere shadow in terms of his power levels. Harry also tossed a car on top of another wizard by the name of Cowl.
Slight correction needed here, by this point Harry has done his Ghost Tag Team rematch with the soul sucking thing, and has actually not only regained all his former power, but also boasted it with some of the former Warlocks power. (The former Warlock/Now former Ghost magic was pretty much all destructive but that was okay, Harry was in a very destructive mood)

Added to this, the fact that it was Halloween, the veil between the living and the dead was at it's thinest, and further weakened by the actions of the Vampires themselves. Harry called upon the Countless number of dead under his feet for his little show with the Red Court Vampires.

On the other hand this was also early on in the books, and Harry has been getting more powerful as the books go on, getting more control, and getting just damned sneakier. This s the guy who worked out that when he was fighting the Ghost in the dream setting he needed some extra help, and so created his own Ghost to back him up after all...
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Slight correction needed here, by this point Harry has done his Ghost Tag Team rematch with the soul sucking thing, and has actually not only regained all his former power, but also boasted it with some of the former Warlocks power. (The former Warlock/Now former Ghost magic was pretty much all destructive but that was okay, Harry was in a very destructive mood)
The fire storm I was thinking of is shortly after Thomas betrays him and Michael at the ball and then pushes Susan into the hands of the Vampires. Harry then summons up the firestorm and cooks the Vampires in revenge for their taking Susan. You are thinking of the later battle where he faces Bianca after Susan has been infected with the thirst.
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Alright, I have not read the books (but from the accolades will, because I LOVE magic more than any other sci-fi or fantasy element)

But just going from this, you need to realize something. The best one can really do is get power benchmarks. This is because the power of a freeform magic using wizard is so flexible, that so long as he has been observed to be able to exert the actual energy, it is a fair bet they are capable of doing just about anything he wants with said energy. Within reason. In a setting where magical shields dont exist it does not stand to reason that a wizard can shield himself. But this is not the case in the Dresdenverse

So, if he has the power to do what you folks has said he has demonstrated, He can probably apply that power to ward off telekinesis, mind attacks, and possibly a light saber. It would depend on how the saber would interact with a magical shield. But I suspect, because a lightsaber does not exert infinite energy but simply cuts through known physical materials that a magical shield could stop it.

Now answer me this question. Is Dresden capable of magically cloaking himself?

In fact, let me address something. When dealing with a vs debate like this, it is generally wise to assume a few things. We assume in vs debates between star wars and star trek that star wars shields work against federation weapons and vice versa. It should be the same way here. We cannot evaluate the claim that magic spell X would be ineffective against the force. We will never be able to really evaluate that unless the people who rights to the various franchises get together over lunch and make a new series. So we have to assume they are mutually compatible and then compare (and quantify if possible) the power differential between the two individuals.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: Now answer me this question. Is Dresden capable of magically cloaking himself?
Yes, and no. Complete invis seems too be beyond him, or to be so difficult as to not be worth while. (I forget which) However he is capable of making a potion to do the old 'Do not notice me' trick. How effective it would be on Vader I cannot say. Since I would gues the Force would warn Vader of too great a threat.
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What about magical detection? Can he shield himself from scrying and the like?
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^ I don't think we've ever seen a situation where someone was trying to track Dresden. So other than a magic circle I can't say if he would or would not have a defense against tracking spells.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Now answer me this question. Is Dresden capable of magically cloaking himself?
Harry isn't very good at veils. As mentioned up thread Dresden is more of a magical thug so he has massive amounts of power to blow things up but his control of his power is not very fine and magic that requires real fine work is pretty challenging for him. He can throw up a veil that pretty much con people into ignoring or not noticing that nondescript guy over there somewhere. His apprentice Molly is far better in that she can cloak in total invisibility an entire VW Bug. She is a little new to it in that she makes mistakes like creaking floorboards or moving around too much air creating drafts allowing more alert people like Dresden or Murphy to notice her.
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