Basing arguments off computer game mechanics = bad idea!

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-25 10:40pm

One shot from any weapon can kill you instantly regardless of where it lands- Perfect Dark with one-hit kills enabled.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-25 10:54pm

A human can indeed fire a minigun while on the move - any number of FPS games.

Rocket launchers have no recoil - Goldeneye

A beer can can explode and kill people - CS skins

A person can carry a railgun and fire it without adverse effects - Quake 3

A person can survive being hit by said railgun - Quake 3

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-25 11:26pm

SirNitram wrote:While I still use RPG mechanics for most of my AD&D calc's and debates(Don't like it? Whine to someone who cares what you think.), we all know not to bring up the truly silly things.

A headshot from an antimatter rifle is survivable by a character of 10th level(LOL!!!!).

But Nitram seriously you actually are applying things that have real value(A Lightning bolt and extrapolating from that)

I'm talking about, guys arguing because said character can take up to five hundred gunshots...thus he can survive the collapse of the known universe.

Necro99 · Post by **Necro99** » 2003-01-25 11:29pm

RA1

A light tank can survive a nuclear ICBM blast at ground zero.
Nuff said.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-01-26 12:18am

SirNitram wrote:While I still use RPG mechanics for most of my AD&D calc's and debates(Don't like it? Whine to someone who cares what you think.), we all know not to bring up the truly silly things.

A headshot from an antimatter rifle is survivable by a character of 10th level(LOL!!!!).

That I find ammusing. Though i use inescapable death for things like that. I view hitpoints not so much as someone taking a hit head on, but there ability to twist and contort their bodies so as to protect themselves as much as possible(ie moving so the lightning bolt hits you in the leg instead of the face) with your con score representing your ability to keep doing that over, and over and over again, until your body just cant take it anymore and you crash to the ground with -1 hp

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-01-26 12:58am

What, you mean I can't neatly sidestep rockets? But I do that in UT all the time!

I'd add the (ludicrously low) speeds you get for some Wing Commander and Freespace ships going purely on the game mechanics, and the build times for capital ships from Homeworld.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-01-26 01:00am

Thought of one more (from damn near all space simulators, including the X-wing series): top speed of spacecraft has an absolute limit, rather than being limited by acceleration and relativistic velocities.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-01-26 01:12am

In C-dogs dodging bullets is easy. You can even outrun them if you aren't surrounded. You can also carry an infinite supply of grenades and ammunition.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-26 01:16am

Darksider wrote:worst game mechanics to use in a debate... any RPG i shudder to think if somone actually tried to use RPG game mechanics in a debate

Seen it happen in some of the Debates over at Spacebattles, namely, any Sephiroth versus [whoever]. Somebody brings out the Super Novae summon, and then a massive debate breaks out...

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-26 01:22am

You can take many a shot-fun blast to the body (Doom)
You can survive a few seconds under the fire of a mini-gun (Doom)
You can survive multiple rockets hits (If at 200% armor and health. Otherwise you die on number two.)
An apposing monster (It was a cyberdemon.) can take over 50 rockets (No, I'm not kidding. I had 100 rockets. I ran for a little bit, and noticed I had 50 left) and keep coming.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-26 01:24am

You can carry a couple of hanguns, some rifles, a rocket launcher, and other assorted heavy weapons and still be able to run, jump and dodge constantly.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-26 01:26am

The Dark wrote:A human can indeed fire a minigun while on the move - any number of FPS games.

Rocket launchers have no recoil - Goldeneye

Rocket launchers don't have recoil in real life. Well there's a little from the friction of the rocket sliding down the tube, but that's very minor.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-01-26 01:31am

maybe we should try card games.....

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-26 01:50am

SWPIGWANG wrote:maybe we should try card games.....

Well, we can start by saying its turn-based...

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-26 01:55am

A single pilot can carry an entire war effort on his shoulders, with no effective help from his comrades-Almost any flight sim, but most recently and annoyingly, Rogue Leader.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-26 05:30am

If you screw the pooch you can just hit restart

god codes=you can't be harmed

Running out to the edge of a screen with only 2 seconds left, = you survive x-grade nuclear blast (Fallout 1 & 2) with no long term problems (Like radation poisoning)

Take a little pill and all of those rads goes away (Fallout)

Erm Clothing lasts over 80 years, and will fit a descendant of the original wearer, regaurdless of Gender Difference (Fallout 1 to Fallout 2)

namdoolb · Post by **namdoolb** » 2003-01-26 06:17am

You can carry an AK down the street without a single person so much as reacting to it (GTA3, VC, and many other games too)

Any car crash, no matter how catastrophic, can be walked away from without so much as a scratch as long as the car doesn't catch fire or you don't land in water
(GTA3)

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-26 06:37am

HemlockGrey wrote:
According to Medieval: Total War, becoming a general of an army makes you nearly invincible in melee. If you're a prince or king, you are even more invincible than before.
That's what Sultan Osmond I thought too. 120 Varangian Guardsmen disabused him of the notion.

Shogun: TW: TMI...

The seven samurai (7 uber kensai) defending a pagoda on a hillside.

They took out over 2500 of the enemy, thats archers, yari, no-dachi, light and heavy cav....

It was an unbelievable slaughter. Then with a rallying charge the enemy general (in a Naginata cav unit) took down the last of them.

The hill was literally covered in corpses.

The other great one was the lone uber Kensai standing in the middle of a bridge: "You - SHALL NOT - PASS!" The enemy forgot to bring archers to the party. 1 lost kensai at the cost of 1400 enemy piled up on the bridge. When the enemy can only attack in ones and twos kensai are GODS.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-01-26 06:38am

Cars are extremely durable, being drivable even after a head-on collision at 100 mph.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-26 09:28am

The whole one man lightly armed can storm a whole base and kill all the fuckers in your way. - any FPS

You can hear gunfire in space - homeworld

you can infiltrate any chinese gang just but garroting some guy and stealong his robes. Even though your an anglo you'll be accepted. - Hitman 1

Guns no matter how large or small never need re-loaded - UT

Enemies are pretty dumb and will not rush you en-mass - any FPS

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-01-26 09:56am

Singuler Quartet wrote:
Darksider wrote:worst game mechanics to use in a debate... any RPG i shudder to think if somone actually tried to use RPG game mechanics in a debate
Seen it happen in some of the Debates over at Spacebattles, namely, any Sephiroth versus [whoever]. Somebody brings out the Super Novae summon, and then a massive debate breaks out...

that's exactly what im tralking about the game mechanics for console RPG's are not usefull in debates (computer Rpg's may be slightly more realistic) i mean turn-based combat????? monsters being able to survive multi-megaton explosions and then die from a series of sword slashes that ain't realistic

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-01-26 01:19pm

Necro99 wrote:RA1

A light tank can survive a nuclear ICBM blast at ground zero.
Nuff said.

Not quite. You forgot:

...but will die in seconds if you shoot it with a few assault rifles.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-26 01:26pm

Darth Pounder wrote:The whole one man lightly armed can storm a whole base and kill all the fuckers in your way. - any FPS

Fight your way through Hell - Doom

Guns no matter how large or small never need re-loaded - UT

Duken Nukem 3d had reloading for ht epsitol, and the super shhotgun has to be reloaded by hand, as in, you open the stock, drop the casing inside, shove in two more, and then close it. Just some examples of realism.

Enemies are pretty dumb and will not rush you en-mass - any FPS

Play Doom. You will get rushed by Demons at some point. Not fun.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-26 01:51pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
SirNitram wrote:While I still use RPG mechanics for most of my AD&D calc's and debates(Don't like it? Whine to someone who cares what you think.), we all know not to bring up the truly silly things.

A headshot from an antimatter rifle is survivable by a character of 10th level(LOL!!!!).
But Nitram seriously you actually are applying things that have real value(A Lightning bolt and extrapolating from that)

I'm talking about, guys arguing because said character can take up to five hundred gunshots...thus he can survive the collapse of the known universe.

There's obviously a difference, but there are quite a few who demand I not use the game statistics(Fine in most cases, but in AD&D, that's going against stated canonicity policy). Obviously, mortals can fall to modern weapons if they hit, but I've had people claim a Lich should fall to a Marine just because they have a large weapon.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-26 08:01pm

it takes several hits for one tank to kill another
you can build a building in less than a minute and then procede to train a squad in the same amount of time
you can use resources with a minimum of processing