Master Chief vs an Ork

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2007-10-17 05:39pm

andrewgpaul wrote:addendum; the surface the Marines and Titan are standing on is probably relevant; fighting in mud, the Marines may only get pressed into it, whereas on rock, they go "splat".

The Titan Squash incident took place in a city; so on foundations of Imperium make. A bunch of Blood Claws with jump packs are hanging around in a pretty beat up building with a Wolf Guard, and the Titan - the way it is described makes it sound too big to be a Warhound, but it isn't specified - crashes their party. The Blood Claws get out of the way thanks to their handy jet packs, but the Wolf Guard isn't able.

Not that it matters, because the Wolf Guard gets up afterwards, tells the Blood Claws to stop gawking and get back to work. His Terminator armour is damaged, and so is his body, but not nearly enough to even phase him for more than a moment.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-10-17 06:46pm

I hear you can support half the weight (more, since the foot is descending and then it walks off) of a giant titan on Terminator armour?

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-17 07:24pm

Stark wrote:I hear you can support half the weight (more, since the foot is descending and then it walks off) of a giant titan on Terminator armour?

Wha..? Isn't that what we're discussing right now?

As was stated, the Terminator armor wouldn't have to support the weight of the Titan if whatever was under it isn't as hard as the armor, in which case it would sink into the surface. That's not a stretch considering how tough the armor is.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-10-17 07:31pm

Yeah, thanks for keeping up there.

It's not as simple as 'less hard': it has to be softer enough to allow the armour to move before it pops like a grape. If only he'd snagged his arm on something and had it torn off...

Anyway, I was more laughing at how silly 40k is, certainly not disputing with canon sources. Not being a 40k fan, I find all this deeply amusing.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-17 07:43pm

It's got that whole over-the-top thing going.

The human population is orders of magnitude greater than the sum total of every person born in history, yet mankind is still considered to be on the "brink of extinction" due to the kinds of threats on constant assault.

But fortunately we have HEROES!
Clad in armor that withstands being stepped on by giant robots!

Anyway, now that you mention it, aside from the toughness of the armor and the give of the surface, the speed at which the titan's foot descends would be a big factor here.
Perhaps it was plodding forward at a ponderous pace?

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-17 07:48pm

Hmm, and also with the titan walking forward, the force involved would be more than the weight of the entire titan, not merely more than half.
Hmm, that's not helping.

Hey, look on the bright side! Even rough estimates of the pressure involved can't be quantified in the least, because Titan sizes constantly change throughout the fiction, and sometimes even within the same source!
Did it again.

40k isn't supposed to be serious, mate!

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2007-10-17 09:11pm

Isn't a Mars-class Warhound canonically 410 tons?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-10-17 09:15pm

Cykeisme wrote:Hmm, and also with the titan walking forward, the force involved would be more than the weight of the entire titan, not merely more than half.
Hmm, that's not helping.

Hey, look on the bright side! Even rough estimates of the pressure involved can't be quantified in the least, because Titan sizes constantly change throughout the fiction, and sometimes even within the same source!
Did it again.

40k isn't supposed to be serious, mate!

Yeah, you're right: since I think it's in combat, the leg would be coming down like a piston. Good thing Space Marines are hardcore!

Maybe they have soft rubber bases on the feet, just for such an ocassion? They must have retracted the Splattering Knives of Stabby Spirit Emperor We Beesech You Defeat Thine Foes With METAL, though.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-18 04:41pm

Lone_Prodigy wrote:Isn't a Mars-class Warhound canonically 410 tons?

Sorry, I didn't know that.

I guess it's just the density that varies from source to source then

Stark wrote:Yeah, you're right: since I think it's in combat, the leg would be coming down like a piston. Good thing Space Marines are hardcore! Maybe they have soft rubber bases on the feet, just for such an ocassion?

Look, maybe titans have a Terminator-shaped opening on the bottom of their feet, and the stepped-on guy just happened to fit into it.

Star wrote:Splattering Knives of Stabby Spirit Emperor We Beesech You Defeat Thine Foes With METAL

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-10-18 07:52pm

I dont read much WH40K, but I think that whole Titan stepping on the Terminator guy thing can be reasonable solved with "the Warp/Emperor did it."

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2007-10-19 12:20am

Darth Ruinus wrote:I dont read much WH40K, but I think that whole Titan stepping on the Terminator guy thing can be reasonable solved with "the Warp/Emperor did it."

Psh, try to keep up with the times. The proper response to any canonical, logical, or physical inconsistencies in 4th ed 40k is "C'Tan did it."

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-10-19 12:40am

Cykeisme wrote:
Stark wrote:Yeah, you're right: since I think it's in combat, the leg would be coming down like a piston. Good thing Space Marines are hardcore! Maybe they have soft rubber bases on the feet, just for such an ocassion?
Look, maybe titans have a Terminator-shaped opening on the bottom of their feet, and the stepped-on guy just happened to fit into it.

You know, that gives me an idea. What if it was the Titan's armour that gave way? The Marine would have probably been pushed a ways into the ground, and the rest of the way pushed into the thing's foot? Though in all probability SM armour, even Termy armour, being stronger than a Titan's plate is unlikely.