Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Nah, Tau are the mecha and anime battlesuit army for the weeaboos who hate the rest of the game's gritty gothic setting but want to play it anyway.
Which is why their tanks kick more ass than equal points in Battlesuits any day, right?
Maybe somebody wanted to have a halfway intelligent shooty army, simply to be different from all these ridiculous melee-oriented armies, like Tyranids, Orks, etc.
You've really rather made his point for him there haven't you ?
If the tanks are so much better, then the only reason to take the mecha/anime themed stuff is because you like it for its aesthetics over its functionality etc.
Molyneux wrote:Okay...for a slightly more niche example, Fred Perry's characters seem to have no end of fans - at least two of them are close to seven feet tall, and they tend towards "inhumanly muscular".
No, I think that female Space Marines would look closer to her, only with about twice the muscle mass.
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Nah, Tau are the mecha and anime battlesuit army for the weeaboos who hate the rest of the game's gritty gothic setting but want to play it anyway.
Which is why their tanks kick more ass than equal points in Battlesuits any day, right?
Maybe somebody wanted to have a halfway intelligent shooty army, simply to be different from all these ridiculous melee-oriented armies, like Tyranids, Orks, etc.
You are aware of sarcasm, right?
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Cosmic Average wrote:No, I think that female Space Marines would look closer to her, only with about twice the muscle mass.
She looks like a man wearing a bikini. NOT something the standard WH40K fanboy will consider "cool" or "sexy," i.e., NOT something the fanboy would buy.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Nah, Tau are the mecha and anime battlesuit army for the weeaboos who hate the rest of the game's gritty gothic setting but want to play it anyway.
Which is why their tanks kick more ass than equal points in Battlesuits any day, right?
Maybe somebody wanted to have a halfway intelligent shooty army, simply to be different from all these ridiculous melee-oriented armies, like Tyranids, Orks, etc.
You are aware of sarcasm, right?
Sure. I have an account with a 40K forum, however, where that would not have been sarcastic in the slightest.
I personally don't understand why you couldn't just have Sisters of Battle subdivisions with different fighting styles and combat doctrines. Sure, none of them will be able to do the same sort of physical feats that Space Marines have (unless you give them super armors or something?), but at least they won't look like pillars of muscle and gristle.
And eh. The Tau mechas aren't that ineffective. In my experience, they're very useful in TT for fighting the ubiquitous space marine armies.
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Depending on how advanced WH40K humans' bionics stuff is, they might be able to pull off the same feats without breaking the universe's rules. In that case they'd look less like pillars of muscle and gristle and more like... uh... pillars of metal plating and superconducting cable. The logical end would be a human nervous system (or just the CNS) in a synthetic shell.
(You could make a heavily modified person look ordinary, but why would you want to, unless they were supposed to go undercover among unaugmented humans? For ordinary troops, you'd just want to make them as tough as possible, good looks be damned.)
Gullible Jones wrote:Depending on how advanced WH40K humans' bionics stuff is, they might be able to pull off the same feats without breaking the universe's rules.
Easily. There are Techno-Magi that can dodge las fire by calculating where weapons fire will go when the trigger is pulled, and others that can effortlessly rip both arms off Chaos Terminator Champions and kill them before they can react. However, such things are immensely rare and expensive, and could not be produced on a large scale.
(You could make a heavily modified person look ordinary, but why would you want to,
Humans tend to care about their appearance, and most would not wish to be transformed into Skitarii.
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I actually liked that Tigers of Veda army. Sure, it's non-canonical, but the thing that makes it so could theoretically be changed without breaking the setting (note, not changing it in-universe). I've seen a fair few 'cool-looking' armies that just won't fit. The Simpsons Space Marines, for example, or the ones that look like Imperial Stormtroopers.
Granted, his painting skills don't match the effort he put into designing the army, but hey; there's worse out there; at least they're painted
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So, if you ignore the "geneseeds do not work for the female physiology" and the "female space marines will look like steroid monsters", and came up with fluffy justifications to address those points, how would female space marine still fit in with canon? Would they mess up the style and substance already established in the universe? Other than the "space marines can only be male" creedo of Games Workshop, that is.
NecronLord wrote:They've been known to get so titanically huge that they require elements of dreadnought armour to be salvaged in order to clad them.
Whoa.
Any more info I can find on this, somewhere?
NecronLord wrote:There are Techno-Magi that can dodge las fire by calculating where weapons fire will go when the trigger is pulled, and others that can effortlessly rip both arms off Chaos Terminator Champions and kill them before they can react. However, such things are immensely rare and expensive, and could not be produced on a large scale.
I thought Space Marines (and their Chaos brethren) were pretty badass already.
How would an augmented fellow like the Techno-Magi handle against a Primarch or a Greater Demon?
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:So, if you ignore the "geneseeds do not work for the female physiology" and the "female space marines will look like steroid monsters", and came up with fluffy justifications to address those points, how would female space marine still fit in with canon? Would they mess up the style and substance already established in the universe? Other than the "space marines can only be male" creedo of Games Workshop, that is.
My personal opinion is no, but whether something messes with the "style" of a setting is sort of subjective. Aside from the bit about the implants only being compatible with males I can't think of a concrete objection to it myself, though someone more knowledgeable about the universe might.
Ghetto Edit: and who the hell cares how ripped they are, they'll be in power armor anyway. I personally hate the "almost any female character must be a hot piece of ass" credo that so many media adopt to pander to the lowest common denominator of undersexed teenagers.
Junghalli wrote:Ghetto Edit: and who the hell cares how ripped they are, they'll be in power armor anyway. I personally hate the "almost any female character must be a hot piece of ass" credo that so many media adopt to pander to the lowest common denominator of undersexed teenagers.
Oh come on, as though we don't all wish real life was like that
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Cykeisme wrote:Whoa.
Any more info I can find on this, somewhere?
Such characters appear in the Ultramarines and Grey Knights novels, IIRC.
I thought Space Marines (and their Chaos brethren) were pretty badass already.
How would an augmented fellow like the Techno-Magi handle against a Primarch or a Greater Demon?
The demon primarch waves a hand, and his blood turns to salt or something.
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Battlehymn Republic wrote:So, if you ignore the "geneseeds do not work for the female physiology" and the "female space marines will look like steroid monsters", and came up with fluffy justifications to address those points, how would female space marine still fit in with canon? Would they mess up the style and substance already established in the universe? Other than the "space marines can only be male" creedo of Games Workshop, that is.
If they were written into the game from the beginning, then I don't think it would be an issue, really. Trying to squeeze them in now would be a bit jarring.
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Cykeisme wrote:Whoa.
Any more info I can find on this, somewhere?
Such characters appear in the Ultramarines and Grey Knights novels, IIRC.
I thought Space Marines (and their Chaos brethren) were pretty badass already.
How would an augmented fellow like the Techno-Magi handle against a Primarch or a Greater Demon?
The demon primarch waves a hand, and his blood turns to salt or something.
Pasanius (sp) was one of them (from the Ultramarines Omnibus), and wasn't it parts of terminator armour?
One or the other was actual Dreadnought armour, not 'mere' terminator armour.
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NecronLord wrote:Sisters aren't pillars of muscle anyway.
Actually, you'd think they would be, given that other Progena that end up in military roles tend to be described as being extremely solid (also tall, but that's nothing new). They may not be bulging out of their skin, but I would be highly surprised if a Sister wasn't rather tanky.
I'm going to point out that I don't think they've had "sexy" in mind for quite awhile, the past couple of editions or so. See: Sisters Repentia.
While you see lots of Sister art where their scars aren't all that horrific, at the very least the Canonesses are getting pretty mashed up over time. It's almost a concession to reality.
Ford Prefect wrote:Actually, you'd think they would be, given that other Progena that end up in military roles tend to be described as being extremely solid (also tall, but that's nothing new). They may not be bulging out of their skin, but I would be highly surprised if a Sister wasn't rather tanky.
They're not terrible. There's a point at which huge amounts of muscle become counterproductive, I expect. Sisters are mostly gun-fighters, after all. And without augs, it doesn't much matter how bricklike you are...
While you see lots of Sister art where their scars aren't all that horrific, at the very least the Canonesses are getting pretty mashed up over time. It's almost a concession to reality.
Yep. Of course, they still look pretty hot, for the most part.
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They're not terrible. There's a point at which huge amounts of muscle become counterproductive,
yeah, just ask the ultramarines, in one of the codex's theres that note about the initiate whose muscle enhancements went a wee bit wonky, and his muscles eventually split his reinforced chest cage apart.
Bit disappointing, but they decided to investigate that mutations potential for use in assault squads
NecronLord wrote:They're not terrible. There's a point at which huge amounts of muscle become counterproductive, I expect. Sisters are mostly gun-fighters, after all. And without augs, it doesn't much matter how bricklike you are...
Certainly, you wouldn't want your muscles to be so large that you can't actually stand at attention properly.
Yep. Of course, they still look pretty hot, for the most part.
The Sister of Battle are pretty much one of the most idealised nuns this side of anime in terms of physical appearence, after all.
