Shivans vs. Empire

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:38pm

You're beggining me to prove that The Empire hasn't got FTL scanning capability but you're NOT providing evidence in accordance with the topic... COULD THE EMPIRE DETECT SHIVAN VESSELS?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 10:38pm

There's more "research" than just watching the fucking films and reading the novels, you stupid cunt.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-29 10:40pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:You're beggining me to prove that The Empire hasn't got FTL scanning capability but you're NOT providing evidence in accordance with the topic... COULD THE EMPIRE DETECT SHIVAN VESSELS?

Yes, easily.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:40pm

And there's more to debating than arguing without even *trying* to supply evidence...

I am challenging you to prove that The Empire could detect Shivan vessels... "you stupid cunt".

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 10:42pm

You're not even worth anymore of my time, ant.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:42pm

I take it you wish to withdraw from this topic then? And accept that The Empire would be annihilated by The Shivans?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-29 10:44pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:I take it you wish to withdraw from this topic then? And accept that The Empire would be annihilated by The Shivans?

Did you even read the big site these boards are on? Becauses your a fucking idiot if you didn't. You're making ridiculous claims and wonder why people think you're a dumb ass.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 10:45pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:1.) The SD in "The Empire Strikes Back" couldn't see the Millenium Falcon LATCHED ONTO it, not only that but the others in the battlegroup couldn't see it (with clear line of site) floating in it's junk, and they weren't too far away.

What do visuals have to do w/ shit? The ISDs aren't covered w/ windows.

It isn't exactly easy to detect something on top of you with sensors focusing on things 300,000 km away or so, eh?

It was a unique blindspot, right next to the ISD, not a general failure, cunt.

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:2.) In "A New Hope" sensors on a SD didn't seem to notice the escape pod containing droids which escaped from inside the vessel itself.

"There goes another one."
"Hold your fire, there's no lifeforms. It must have short-circuted."

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:3.) The Empire has no FTL sensors.

Read the site cunt.

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:4.) It's 3am and my own sensors aren't working properly, if I recall more I'll let you know.

Shut up, cunt.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-29 10:45pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:I take it you wish to withdraw from this topic then? And accept that The Empire would be annihilated by The Shivans?

Actually, you made the first argument saying the Empire can't detect Shivans. Now you're putting that burden of proof onto Spanky and Stormbringer.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 10:45pm

He used selective interpretation so the evidence suited his claims.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:46pm

I made a rediculous claim, that the Empire would not be able to detect Shivan vessels and have had zero opposition on that particular matter... And I'm an idiot?

Maybe you should try proving me wrong instead of wasting your time with lame-ass insults.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-29 10:46pm

And believe me, I am a freespacer. But even if the Empire couldn't lock on to the Falcon making a deep dive, the falcon is A LOT smaller than a Sathanas.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:48pm

Shinova wrote:Actually, you made the first argument saying the Empire can't detect Shivans. Now you're putting that burden of proof onto Spanky and Stormbringer.

Actually when I said that the Empire wouldn't detect Shivan vessels I used evidence from Freespace itself based on Terran sensor technology against their inferior Empire counterparts (the whole "not being able to detect vertically moving ships speaks for itself.)

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-29 10:49pm

Question to the opposition (which includes Spanky, Stormbringer):

The Falcon went into FTL in ANH when it escaped from the Death Star 1, did it?

(homing device tracked through hyperspace?)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 10:49pm

There are numerous examples of FTL sensors in the EU.

And if you're going to say that the EU doesn't count: Shut the fuck up and get out of here.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:50pm

Shinova wrote:And believe me, I am a freespacer. But even if the Empire couldn't lock on to the Falcon making a deep dive, the falcon is A LOT smaller than a Sathanas.

If the Shivan vessels can't be detected what makes you think they'd *need* something as insanely powerful as the Sathanas? Not only that but while the Empire ships are targetting the Sathanas with everything they have the rest of the Shivan vessels will be flying around like ninja's on fire (Halo 2 will rock) slapping the Empire all over the place.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-29 10:50pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:
Shinova wrote:Actually, you made the first argument saying the Empire can't detect Shivans. Now you're putting that burden of proof onto Spanky and Stormbringer.
Actually when I said that the Empire wouldn't detect Shivan vessels I used evidence from Freespace itself based on Terran sensor technology against their inferior Empire counterparts (the whole "not being able to detect vertically moving ships speaks for itself.)

No, you spouted much refuted crap. Clearly you never read Mike's site. So what's the point of debating with an ignorant idiot?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-29 10:52pm

Oi...yet another person who does not grasp...burden of proof fallacy.

And as for the sensor not detecting the Falcon..he did shut off all power, is a much smaller vessel then the Shivan warships.

Also in a debate...it is not really good to outright lie.

3.) The Empire has no FTL sensors.

You didn't watch RoTJ now did ya, or did you forget that they saw the INCOMING REBEL FLEET.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2003-01-29 10:53pm

Read Mike's site... Not really giving a shit here, mostly biased crap, it doesn't include the *existing* evidence *against* the FTL sensors so I'm not really impressed.

Anyway, bed now, see you tomorrow *blows a big kiss*. Don't forget to back-up the Empire on the tiny threat posed by the Shivans.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-29 10:54pm

Shinova wrote:Question to the opposition (which includes Spanky, Stormbringer):

The Falcon went into FTL in ANH when it escaped from the Death Star 1, did it?

(homing device tracked through hyperspace?)

Well that and the ROTJ incident(Rebel Fleet)...yes the Empire has very capable FTL sensors.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-29 10:55pm

It's nice to see a dumbfuck believe because he can't see it, it must not be there.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-29 10:55pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:
Shinova wrote:And believe me, I am a freespacer. But even if the Empire couldn't lock on to the Falcon making a deep dive, the falcon is A LOT smaller than a Sathanas.
If the Shivan vessels can't be detected what makes you think they'd *need* something as insanely powerful as the Sathanas? Not only that but while the Empire ships are targetting the Sathanas with everything they have the rest of the Shivan vessels will be flying around like ninja's on fire (Halo 2 will rock) slapping the Empire all over the place.

What makes you think Imperial sensors can't detect Shivan hulls? All you have supporting this is one isolated incident from Empire Strikes Back. Care to provide any other evidence from BOTH SW and Freespace that will prove that Empire can't detect Shivans?

And you've never read about the tbl Freespace calcs, have you? Those put the strongest beam cannons at around 28GT per sec or something like that (a high end).

A MEDIUM turbolaser on the Acclamator, a transport ship, is rated 200GT per shot. Now take an Imperial Star Destroyer. Care to guess how much higher than 200GT those turbolasers will be?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 10:56pm

I say we ban him before he wakes up in the morning.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-29 10:56pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Read Mike's site... Not really giving a shit here, mostly biased crap, it doesn't include the *existing* evidence *against* the FTL sensors so I'm not really impressed.

And with that you are officially certified a dumbass.

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Anyway, bed now, see you tomorrow *blows a big kiss*. Don't forget to back-up the Empire on the tiny threat posed by the Shivans.

*kicks Embracer in the nuts* Good bye and good riddance.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 10:58pm

Embracer, I already pointed out your shit stank. Please keep up.