Replicators vs. the Empire

[Alyeska]

The Replicators will shred the Empire. Energy weapons (except for extremely powerful ones) will be useless against replicators. The new nanite androids are seemingly invicible against everything. They can take over a ship in a relatively quick amount of time. Once they have the ISD they will increase its firepower, shields, and speed by factors of insane amounts. A single ISD would be able to take on an Eclipse single handidly once the Replicators have control. If the Replicators take a planet, they will have access to resources to continue building their own ships. The Empire is effectively dead.

I doubt they are immune to the ship their on which they use to get about is immune though... it's simple, The empire realises the threat after the first isd goes down, we shall assume the Captain informed the empire via holonet and the empire puts together a battle group consisting of one ssd and it's attendant support vessels...which also includes an interdictor...they can upgrade it all they like....they aren't going anywhere

Problem is they likely won't catch said ISD. All systems are vastly upgraded. Even if they snag it out of hyperspace, the captured ISD will either slag the Interdictor and jump out before being damage, or it will simply engage its sub light engines and get out of range.

[Coaan]

The Replicators will shred the Empire. Energy weapons (except for extremely powerful ones) will be useless against replicators. The new nanite androids are seemingly invicible against everything. They can take over a ship in a relatively quick amount of time. Once they have the ISD they will increase its firepower, shields, and speed by factors of insane amounts. A single ISD would be able to take on an Eclipse single handidly once the Replicators have control. If the Replicators take a planet, they will have access to resources to continue building their own ships. The Empire is effectively dead.

I doubt they are immune to the ship their on which they use to get about is immune though... it's simple, The empire realises the threat after the first isd goes down, we shall assume the Captain informed the empire via holonet and the empire puts together a battle group consisting of one ssd and it's attendant support vessels...which also includes an interdictor...they can upgrade it all they like....they aren't going anywhere

Problem is they likely won't catch said ISD. All systems are vastly upgraded. Even if they snag it out of hyperspace, the captured ISD will either slag the Interdictor and jump out before being damage, or it will simply engage its sub light engines and get out of range.

I really doubt the captured ISD could slag an Interdictor intime before the main guns on the SSD opened up...If buying time is the order of business, you just sacrifice the rest of the battlegroup( a wall of ships is an effective shield) while the SSD does it's work

[His Divine Shadow]

*sniff sniff* I smell a "no limit" fallacy.

Given enough energy, any defense will fall. The notion of some magic-tech which is immune to any kind of energy weapon is stupid.

I find this magical upgrade of any technology notion to be worse.

So the Replicators had better tech than the Asgard, does that mean they have better tech than the Empire and can therefore make the ISD more effective, or is it just an arbitrary "make stuff 100x better"?

[Alyeska]

*sniff sniff* I smell a "no limit" fallacy.

Given enough energy, any defense will fall. The notion of some magic-tech which is immune to any kind of energy weapon is stupid.

I find this magical upgrade of any technology notion to be worse.

So the Replicators had better tech than the Asgard, does that mean they have better tech than the Empire and can therefore make the ISD more effective, or is it just an arbitrary "make stuff 100x better"?

Every single time Replicators got a hold of a ship they always improved the ship by several magnitudes. They took Asgard ships and with three Replicator/Asgard ships destroyed 5 Asgard ships and took no damage. They took a Goa'uld hyper drive that would take 125 years to reach the Milkyway and spead that up to 125 minutes. When the replicators reach the more advanced stages (using some interesting metals) they become powerful enough to have a fair chance of surviving what appears to be a high KT or low MT level explossion. The new Replicators are capable of taking memories out of people as well.

[Alyeska]

I doubt they are immune to the ship their on which they use to get about is immune though... it's simple, The empire realises the threat after the first isd goes down, we shall assume the Captain informed the empire via holonet and the empire puts together a battle group consisting of one ssd and it's attendant support vessels...which also includes an interdictor...they can upgrade it all they like....they aren't going anywhere

Problem is they likely won't catch said ISD. All systems are vastly upgraded. Even if they snag it out of hyperspace, the captured ISD will either slag the Interdictor and jump out before being damage, or it will simply engage its sub light engines and get out of range.

I really doubt the captured ISD could slag an Interdictor intime before the main guns on the SSD opened up...If buying time is the order of business, you just sacrifice the rest of the battlegroup( a wall of ships is an effective shield) while the SSD does it's work

Considering the Replicators past performance in upgrading the ships they have taken, I have little doubt they could slag the Intedictor and get away scott free.

[His Divine Shadow]

Every single time Replicators got a hold of a ship they always improved the ship by several magnitudes. They took Asgard ships and with three Replicator/Asgard ships destroyed 5 Asgard ships and took no damage. They took a Goa'uld hyper drive that would take 125 years to reach the Milkyway and spead that up to 125 minutes. When the replicators reach the more advanced stages (using some interesting metals) they become powerful enough to have a fair chance of surviving what appears to be a high KT or low MT level explossion. The new Replicators are capable of taking memories out of people as well.

In other words, they have superior technology to the Asgard.
And since they have superior tech to them, or a better understanding of technology or physics than them, clearly it was no problem for them to make a more efficient hyperdrive from a Goa'uld one.

Now it depends wheter they have superior tech to the Empire, or if they have anything that they can improve on

[Alyeska]

Every single time Replicators got a hold of a ship they always improved the ship by several magnitudes. They took Asgard ships and with three Replicator/Asgard ships destroyed 5 Asgard ships and took no damage. They took a Goa'uld hyper drive that would take 125 years to reach the Milkyway and spead that up to 125 minutes. When the replicators reach the more advanced stages (using some interesting metals) they become powerful enough to have a fair chance of surviving what appears to be a high KT or low MT level explossion. The new Replicators are capable of taking memories out of people as well.

In other words, they have superior technology to the Asgard.
And since they have superior tech to them, or a better understanding of technology or physics than them, clearly it was no problem for them to make a more efficient hyperdrive from a Goa'uld one.

Now it depends wheter they have superior tech to the Empire, or if they have anything that they can improve on

Actually they started out as less advanced then the Asgard. But they escaped Asgard confinement, sampled Asgard technology and quickly assimilated it then advanced it. And when it comes to the Replicators on the Goa'uld ship, we are unsure if they had contact with the Asgard replicators or not.

[Coaan]

Problem is they likely won't catch said ISD. All systems are vastly upgraded. Even if they snag it out of hyperspace, the captured ISD will either slag the Interdictor and jump out before being damage, or it will simply engage its sub light engines and get out of range.

I really doubt the captured ISD could slag an Interdictor intime before the main guns on the SSD opened up...If buying time is the order of business, you just sacrifice the rest of the battlegroup( a wall of ships is an effective shield) while the SSD does it's work

Considering the Replicators past performance in upgrading the ships they have taken, I have little doubt they could slag the Intedictor and get away scott free.

They can adapt to St technology yes, but who is to say they can adapt to Sw technology? We can only assume whether they would or would not. The Replicators where nigh invincible are not Immune to everything, especially the ship they would be on, With enough firepower...the Isd would go down and I believe the main guns on the SSD would do that....failing that, just hammer it with the fleet while the interdictor withdraws from the immediate area yet stays within range to block their escape.

[Alyeska]

They can adapt to St technology yes, but who is to say they can adapt to Sw technology? We can only assume whether they would or would not. The Replicators where nigh invincible are not Immune to everything, especially the ship they would be on, With enough firepower...the Isd would go down and I believe the main guns on the SSD would do that....failing that, just hammer it with the fleet while the interdictor withdraws from the immediate area yet stays within range to block their escape.

If the Interdictor is to far away, they merely need to engage sublight engines and get out of range. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if when they take the knowledge out of people and the information banks they will build something like the Bakura ships used to punch through interdictor fields.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

I doubt the replicators will be blaster immune if they are built out of that material.

I don't think anyone said they're blaster immune, but we're working from what we've seen... And we've seen them, numerous times, spontaneously reconnect and become fully functional again within a minute of being blown apart with shotguns etc. etc. I don't see how being blown apart with a blaster would be any different.

[Coaan]

They can adapt to St technology yes, but who is to say they can adapt to Sw technology? We can only assume whether they would or would not. The Replicators where nigh invincible are not Immune to everything, especially the ship they would be on, With enough firepower...the Isd would go down and I believe the main guns on the SSD would do that....failing that, just hammer it with the fleet while the interdictor withdraws from the immediate area yet stays within range to block their escape.

If the Interdictor is to far away, they merely need to engage sublight engines and get out of range. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if when they take the knowledge out of people and the information banks they will build something like the Bakura ships used to punch through interdictor fields.

Which is why I mentioned staying within range if they do, the interdictor merely compensates nd moves closer as it moves away

So they've went from having One ISD to control of an entire shipyard? in all probability the Empire would have the firepower needed to take down the ship, time would be critical yes but considering they are contained in one ship, the threat of further infection is neglible

[DocMoriartty]

I doubt the replicators will be blaster immune if they are built out of that material.

I don't think anyone said they're blaster immune, but we're working from what we've seen... And we've seen them, numerous times, spontaneously reconnect and become fully functional again within a minute of being blown apart with shotguns etc. etc. I don't see how being blown apart with a blaster would be any different.

A shotgun just knocks holes in you or blows pieces off you.

A blaster will superheat portions of you to gas, melt some of you, heat all of you, and finally violently explode you all over the place.

I would say that the two have very different effects.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

It's not that simple though... Here's the scenario how I'd see it:

1.) Replicators (somehow) randomly appear on an Empire vessel
2.) The crew of the Empire vessel begin taking out the replicators with their sidearms but the replicators seem to re-combine their collective parts even when decimated by weapons-fire.
3.) The Empire crew either die trying to fight the replicators or they flee the vessel, seeing as the replicators are interested only in technology I think the latter.
4.) The Empire vessel, after some modification, is now completely under the control of the replicators which they will use to gain access to more vessels and hopefully planets.
5.) The Empire sends in reinforcements to take-out the "replicator's ship"
6.) Even if The Empire is successful in blowing that ship to peices (and the replicators inside) the replicators have a good chance of recombining in space... Uh oh, you now have alot of replicators made out of Empire materials floating through space in random directions... Congratulations, you have created a "replicator bomb" and if I understand correctly inertia is limitless in space so the replicators (now in higher numbers) would *continue* floating until they reached ships, shipyards and stations and would *then* be taking multiple targets at once.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

A blaster will superheat portions of you to gas, melt some of you, heat all of you, and finally violently explode you all over the place.

This is a good point but surely Empire blasters wouldn't be able to vapourise a complete replicator, so there would still be peices to recombine (each single peice is capable of independence, and is capable of combining with any other peice if I recall... I'll give the episode reference later).

[Coaan]

It's not that simple though... Here's the scenario how I'd see it:

1.) Replicators (somehow) randomly appear on an Empire vessel
2.) The crew of the Empire vessel begin taking out the replicators with their sidearms but the replicators seem to re-combine their collective parts even when decimated by weapons-fire.
3.) The Empire crew either die trying to fight the replicators or they flee the vessel, seeing as the replicators are interested only in technology I think the latter.
4.) The Empire vessel, after some modification, is now completely under the control of the replicators which they will use to gain access to more vessels and hopefully planets.
5.) The Empire sends in reinforcements to take-out the "replicator's ship"
6.) Even if The Empire is successful in blowing that ship to peices (and the replicators inside) the replicators have a good chance of recombining in space... Uh oh, you now have alot of replicators made out of Empire materials floating through space in random directions... Congratulations, you have created a "replicator bomb" and if I understand correctly inertia is limitless in space so the replicators (now in higher numbers) would *continue* floating until they reached ships, shipyards and stations and would *then* be taking multiple targets at once.

Would strong enough acid not melt the little fuckers to a state where they were unable to regrow?

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Hehe yup that'd do it... Again though, easier said than done :S

[Coaan]

Hehe yup that'd do it... Again though, easier said than done :S

Specialized water pistols loaded with the strongest acid you can find.... that should do it

[Darth Wong]

It's not that simple though... Here's the scenario how I'd see it:

1.) Replicators (somehow) randomly appear on an Empire vessel
2.) The crew of the Empire vessel begin taking out the replicators with their sidearms but the replicators seem to re-combine their collective parts even when decimated by weapons-fire.
3.) The Empire crew either die trying to fight the replicators or they flee the vessel, seeing as the replicators are interested only in technology I think the latter.

Step 3 is the final step, since the Empire is not the Federation. They don't abandon ships in a fully-functional state. They'll blow the ship before they abandon it.

[Alyeska]

They can adapt to St technology yes, but who is to say they can adapt to Sw technology? We can only assume whether they would or would not. The Replicators where nigh invincible are not Immune to everything, especially the ship they would be on, With enough firepower...the Isd would go down and I believe the main guns on the SSD would do that....failing that, just hammer it with the fleet while the interdictor withdraws from the immediate area yet stays within range to block their escape.

If the Interdictor is to far away, they merely need to engage sublight engines and get out of range. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if when they take the knowledge out of people and the information banks they will build something like the Bakura ships used to punch through interdictor fields.

Which is why I mentioned staying within range if they do, the interdictor merely compensates nd moves closer as it moves away

So they've went from having One ISD to control of an entire shipyard? in all probability the Empire would have the firepower needed to take down the ship, time would be critical yes but considering they are contained in one ship, the threat of further infection is neglible

You don't stay in range with something that is much faster then yourself.

[Alyeska]

I doubt the replicators will be blaster immune if they are built out of that material.

I don't think anyone said they're blaster immune, but we're working from what we've seen... And we've seen them, numerous times, spontaneously reconnect and become fully functional again within a minute of being blown apart with shotguns etc. etc. I don't see how being blown apart with a blaster would be any different.

A shotgun just knocks holes in you or blows pieces off you.

A blaster will superheat portions of you to gas, melt some of you, heat all of you, and finally violently explode you all over the place.

I would say that the two have very different effects.

Considering that there is thermal and vaporizing weapons in SG-1 and they do absolutely nothing to Replicators, I don't see blasters harming them at all.

[Coaan]

If the Interdictor is to far away, they merely need to engage sublight engines and get out of range. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if when they take the knowledge out of people and the information banks they will build something like the Bakura ships used to punch through interdictor fields.

Which is why I mentioned staying within range if they do, the interdictor merely compensates nd moves closer as it moves away

So they've went from having One ISD to control of an entire shipyard? in all probability the Empire would have the firepower needed to take down the ship, time would be critical yes but considering they are contained in one ship, the threat of further infection is neglible

You don't stay in range with something that is much faster then yourself.

Show me the numbers that shows exactly how much faster a 'captured' ISD would move at

[Alyeska]

Which is why I mentioned staying within range if they do, the interdictor merely compensates nd moves closer as it moves away

So they've went from having One ISD to control of an entire shipyard? in all probability the Empire would have the firepower needed to take down the ship, time would be critical yes but considering they are contained in one ship, the threat of further infection is neglible

You don't stay in range with something that is much faster then yourself.

Show me the numbers that shows exactly how much faster a 'captured' ISD would move at

Give me proof that Replicators can't upgrade an ISD. Every single account of Replicators taking over a ship has them upgrading every system beyond its original capabilities.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Step 3 is the final step, since the Empire is not the Federation. They don't abandon ships in a fully-functional state. They'll blow the ship before they abandon it.

A.) The Federation? Who mentioned them? I'm not some single-minded Trekkie
B.) Could this not take us straight to step six?

6.) Even if The Empire is successful in blowing that ship to peices (and the replicators inside) the replicators have a good chance of recombining in space... Uh oh, you now have alot of replicators made out of Empire materials floating through space in random directions... Congratulations, you have created a "replicator bomb".

I'm not just nitpicking, is this a possibility?

[Coaan]

I don't think anyone said they're blaster immune, but we're working from what we've seen... And we've seen them, numerous times, spontaneously reconnect and become fully functional again within a minute of being blown apart with shotguns etc. etc. I don't see how being blown apart with a blaster would be any different.

A shotgun just knocks holes in you or blows pieces off you.

A blaster will superheat portions of you to gas, melt some of you, heat all of you, and finally violently explode you all over the place.

I would say that the two have very different effects.

Considering that there is thermal and vaporizing weapons in SG-1 and they do absolutely nothing to Replicators, I don't see blasters harming them at all.

It depends on the power difference between those jaffa sticks and blasters and etc etc, they ay just be highly resistant to energy, not immune

[Alyeska]

A shotgun just knocks holes in you or blows pieces off you.

A blaster will superheat portions of you to gas, melt some of you, heat all of you, and finally violently explode you all over the place.

I would say that the two have very different effects.

Considering that there is thermal and vaporizing weapons in SG-1 and they do absolutely nothing to Replicators, I don't see blasters harming them at all.

It depends on the power difference between those jaffa sticks and blasters and etc etc, they ay just be highly resistant to energy, not immune

They are resistant to energy to the point that an energy weapon capable of vaporizing an armored humanoid in three shots has absolutely no impact on a replicator. Jaffa Staff weapons which have high levels of thermal capabilities cause no harm either.