So if you gave a SW ship a ZPM it could preform that well? How about a Starfleet ship? It's not like either ship's engines would be a limiting factor.General Zod wrote:An Asgard ship with a fully powered ZPM can travel between galaxies in a matter of days though. What kind of SW ship can do that?NecronLord wrote: The upper limit on ZPM power is some megatons per second. They're impressive because they're really small, not because they're necesserily the most powerful power source around.
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Since you're apparently too dense get my point, randomly mixing and matching parts is absurd and makes no sense for anything other than sheer wankery when you consider what certain engines are capable of on their own.NetKnight wrote: So if you gave a SW ship a ZPM it could preform that well? How about a Starfleet ship? It's not like either ship's engines would be a limiting factor.
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Minutes. A true Asgard ship can do it in minutes. The Daedalus, takes weeks. By Asgard standards, it's a piece of crap.General Zod wrote:An Asgard ship with a fully powered ZPM can travel between galaxies in a matter of days though. What kind of SW ship can do that?
But that's due to Stargate Hyperdrive being much much better than Star Wars'. Not a power difference.
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True, but I never said anything about a power difference in my original post. Just that it outclassed SW hyperdrive.NecronLord wrote: Minutes. A true Asgard ship can do it in minutes. The Daedalus, takes weeks. By Asgard standards, it's a piece of crap.
But that's due to Stargate Hyperdrive being much much better than Star Wars'. Not a power difference.
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What I find hilarious is that he has an Asgard engine and ZPM as an auxiliary reactor when they easily outclass Star Wars hyperdrive. It's pretty clear Darth Smiley is going for pure wank factor here.
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General Zod wrote:An Asgard ship with a fully powered ZPM can travel between galaxies in a matter of days though. What kind of SW ship can do that?NecronLord wrote: The upper limit on ZPM power is some megatons per second. They're impressive because they're really small, not because they're necesserily the most powerful power source around.
A human ship can travel between galaxies using a ZPM in a matter of days. The Asgard use some neutrino based engines if I remember right. They dont use ZPM technology at all.
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The jump drives from the Dune movie are a good candidate. They apparently go from anywhere in the universe to anywhere else in one jump. However you need a pilot with some serious precog ability to use them, unless you count the later Dune books, which as I (dimly) recall showed that this was just a bullshit religious limitation and decent Ixian computers could do FTL navigation just fine.
As I recall the slipfighters from Andromeda are a) FTL-capable (as in Culture fight-at-FTL, not SW/BSG jump-only) and b) AI-controlled, so if you must have fighters they make more sense than any other fighters I've seen.
As I recall the slipfighters from Andromeda are a) FTL-capable (as in Culture fight-at-FTL, not SW/BSG jump-only) and b) AI-controlled, so if you must have fighters they make more sense than any other fighters I've seen.
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Wait, what? I never said that the Arton engines are for Time Vortex travel only. From what Necron Lord said it sounded more like they are exclusively for real space travel, not Vortex travel.Stark wrote:Are you kidding? You think the arton engines are only for time travel? Why? Travelling through space is travelling through time and space, just 1s/1s. ZOMG!
True, but all other forms of time travel have been considered inferior by the Doctor to the TARDIS. We know that Jack's Vortex manipulator for example was highly unreliable until the Doctor upgraded it and even then it still left people who used it feeling unwell.Stark wrote:BTW, the Dalek fleet travelled through the Time Vortex just fine in the Time War. I'm not one who thinks they had independent drives, but you can certainly exist in there without any silly Time Lord nonsense.
OK, good to know . I don't really have anything else to say, Mr. Friendly Guy and Parallax already brought up everything I was going to.Stark wrote:God no. It's a magical box. Only the EU bullshit makes it out to be some kind of sentient symbiote in love with the Doctor or some retarded shit like that. It's SO STUPID I WANT TO KILL IT.avatarxprime wrote:Finally, I apologize if the TARDIS emotions are non-TV only. I thought they had something about it in the earlier Doctor series.
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Energy Weapons: DW - Jack's Sonic Blaster (appropriately scaled up)
Missile Weapons: DW - Dalek Missiles
Shields: SW - Planetary Shields
Engines: DW - Arton Engines
Reactor: SG-1 - Asgard Energy Core
Transporting: ST - Iconian Gateway
Looks: Farscape - Talyn
Stealth: SG-1 - Merlin's Phase Shift Device
Manufacturing: LEXX - Mantrid Drones
Are you intentionally being obtuse? Time travel WITHOUT A CAPSULE makes you feel like shit. It's not a function of magic Time Lordy-ness. It's a function of not being openly exposed to the time vortex. The Doctor just 'fixed' the wrist computer and maybe guided it with his dimension-exploring mental powers. Jack had already used it without a Time Lord or any holy spirit of time travel.avatarxprime wrote:True, but all other forms of time travel have been considered inferior by the Doctor to the TARDIS. We know that Jack's Vortex manipulator for example was highly unreliable until the Doctor upgraded it and even then it still left people who used it feeling unwell.
PROTIP: other time travel shit is inferior because the Time Lords jealously guarded their monopoly. Remember why the human scientists were SECRETLY investigating time travel? Vortex travel tech is now so common random morons like the Chula have it.
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The Vortex Manipulator can't possibly expose its user(s) to Time Vortex seeing as that is lethal. It was certainly enough to off Jack for a bit in Utopia. Since the Doctor described it as a "space hopper" it's more likely to work with teleport tech. We know that the Dalek Transmat from Station 5 could pluck individuals from the Time Vortex and those affected were a bit off temporarely as a result and seeing as the Doctor managed to upgrade Jack's to function as a teleport it probably functions similarly.Stark wrote:Are you intentionally being obtuse? Time travel WITHOUT A CAPSULE makes you feel like shit. It's not a function of magic Time Lordy-ness. It's a function of not being openly exposed to the time vortex. The Doctor just 'fixed' the wrist computer and maybe guided it with his dimension-exploring mental powers. Jack had already used it without a Time Lord or any holy spirit of time travel.avatarxprime wrote:True, but all other forms of time travel have been considered inferior by the Doctor to the TARDIS. We know that Jack's Vortex manipulator for example was highly unreliable until the Doctor upgraded it and even then it still left people who used it feeling unwell.
Since the Rassilion Imprimatur is supposed to protect you from the stress of time travel, it's possible this is something about the method that the Time Lords use.
Exactly, other people, even rival powers like the Daleks have time tech that is below the Time Lords. Following the loss of the Time Lords the tech is still below a TARDIS.Stark wrote:PROTIP: other time travel shit is inferior because the Time Lords jealously guarded their monopoly. Remember why the human scientists were SECRETLY investigating time travel? Vortex travel tech is now so common random morons like the Chula have it.
Other time travel tech like the Dalek Time Corridors also functioned vastly differently from Time Lord tech. Those used wormholes to gain access to the Time Vortex while a TARDIS is able to directly enter and exit it.
Time windows like those used on the Madame de Pompadour were not exceedingly exacting, but bypassed needing to use the Time Vortex entirely.
The Toclafane used some kind of time rift teleport thing to travel through time (which could have been Time Lord influenced via the Master). But all of these have been considered as less exacting than TARDIS travel, the Doctor's lack of proper piloting skills aside. The manner a TARDIS uses to travel could still be a sufficiently exotic secret that it does produce stress that a "normal" time machine does not while allowing greater control than the other observed methods allow and thus requires the Imprimatur.
Also, how can you call the Chula morons, we know nothing about them other than they were involved in a war.
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Energy Weapons: SW Deathstar II Superlaser (HAH you guys settled for the slower charging less powerful DS I)
Missle Weapons: SG Ancient Drones (Only because those blackhole hypermissiles from mutineers moon aren't eligible as it is a book.)
Shields: Atlantis city shields
Engines: Asgard hyperdrive, Mimbari Jump engines as back up ( you never know when you need a safe place to hide, or a way to scatter an enemy ship formation)
Reactor: ZPM, hypermatter back up
Transporting: ST iconian gateways probably the best idea Star trek came up with, except for of course, how do you get BACK to the ship
Looks: Mercury class battlestar (Seriously this is looks only? Itd be slow, unshielded, fall apart when we start flying fast and my fighters wouldn't fit but we can fudge all that right?
Stealth: Merlin's Phase Ship Device
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Fighters: I guess the Vipers from the old BSG, because the launch bay only takes triangle shaped ships, and the old Vipers have SW ripoffs for lasers, which is better than the bullets the new bsg uses. I'd also want a cimpany of Spartans, a couple of the dropships from aliens some At Ats, AT ST, Ghosts etc. And a pony.
Missle Weapons: SG Ancient Drones (Only because those blackhole hypermissiles from mutineers moon aren't eligible as it is a book.)
Shields: Atlantis city shields
Engines: Asgard hyperdrive, Mimbari Jump engines as back up ( you never know when you need a safe place to hide, or a way to scatter an enemy ship formation)
Reactor: ZPM, hypermatter back up
Transporting: ST iconian gateways probably the best idea Star trek came up with, except for of course, how do you get BACK to the ship
Looks: Mercury class battlestar (Seriously this is looks only? Itd be slow, unshielded, fall apart when we start flying fast and my fighters wouldn't fit but we can fudge all that right?
Stealth: Merlin's Phase Ship Device
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Fighters: I guess the Vipers from the old BSG, because the launch bay only takes triangle shaped ships, and the old Vipers have SW ripoffs for lasers, which is better than the bullets the new bsg uses. I'd also want a cimpany of Spartans, a couple of the dropships from aliens some At Ats, AT ST, Ghosts etc. And a pony.
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How many Asgard ships are there with ZPMs?General Zod wrote:An Asgard ship with a fully powered ZPM can travel between galaxies in a matter of days though. What kind of SW ship can do that?NecronLord wrote: The upper limit on ZPM power is some megatons per second. They're impressive because they're really small, not because they're necesserily the most powerful power source around.
Anyways my starship:
Energy Weapons: SW Turbolasers
Projectile Weapons: SG Ancient Drone Weapons prior to Atlantis ruining them
Shields: Are Ancient City shields stronger than SW shields? If so I pick them...
Engines: SG Asgard hyperdrive
Reactor: SG Ancient ZPMs
Transporting: ST Dominion transporters. They transport through shields and have a longer range than Asgard transporters.
Looks: SW Executor
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A grand total of none. Not that it really matters, a bog standard Asgard ship, powered by an Asgard power core, can travel between the Milky Way and Ida in a few seconds (while towing another ship!).Stargate Nerd wrote:How many Asgard ships are there with ZPMs?General Zod wrote:An Asgard ship with a fully powered ZPM can travel between galaxies in a matter of days though. What kind of SW ship can do that?NecronLord wrote: The upper limit on ZPM power is some megatons per second. They're impressive because they're really small, not because they're necesserily the most powerful power source around.
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