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In the first movie, the T-800 was in a tanker that blew up. That burned off its fleshy disguise and gave it a limp, but it was still functional, still mobile, still determined to complete its mission.Emperor Overlord wrote:Although if Terminator fought R2-D2, he'd lose. One thing I learned from watching these movies is that R2-D2 FTW!
Nitpick: the explosion didn't give the T-800 it's limp; it got that when said fuel truck ran over it at full speed and it's leg got caught and twisted underneath.Sidewinder wrote:In the first movie, the T-800 was in a tanker that blew up. That burned off its fleshy disguise and gave it a limp, but it was still functional, still mobile, still determined to complete its mission.
She broke through that vulture bounty hunter thingie's armour with her bare hands in the Evolution comic, I think; is there anyone available to do calcs on that, assuming conservative figures for armour durability and thickness?Thanas wrote:Maybe...but there is the small problem of having her abilities quantified. I mean, for all we know she nearly beat Luke Skywalker at hand-to-hand combat before he used the force. The comics show her defeating some of the best fighters in the galaxy in hand-to-hand, yet she is using superior speed/skill.
We simply do not know how much damage her durasteel exoskeleton can take. Has a calculation ever been made how much damage durasteel can take?
Because Grievous is considerably faster that the T-800 and is far from representative of what most droids can do.Aquatain wrote:Why not just compare The Terminator with General Grievous since they are both cybernetics and we have actually seen the general in hand to hand combat?
Not quite sure what you meant by this Thanas. Car bombs are usually far more powerful then hand grenades. Of course this depends on the "car". A motor cycle is going to carry less explosives then a sedan which is going to carry less explosives then a dump truck.Also, a car bomb is quite unlike to getting hit by a blast with the damage equivalent of hand grenades.
That wasn't a car bomb, it was a bomb planted underside a jeep that exploded. Your typical block of C4. Now, my understanding is that Cameron had the benefit of the underside of the car blocking the direct blast effect as well as the explosion seeming pretty small in comparison. Here is the video.Kartr_Kana wrote: Not quite sure what you meant by this Thanas. Car bombs are usually far more powerful then hand grenades. Of course this depends on the "car". A motor cycle is going to carry less explosives then a sedan which is going to carry less explosives then a dump truck.
ECR of an M67 is 15m, in Iraq we were told to try and stay 500m from a potential VBIED with the understanding we'd probably still get fucked up.
So if T800 can withstand a car bomb I'd say he can probably take a few blaster bolts.
Terminators are capable of surprising bursts of speed as well, in one episode a terminator managed to catch up to a speeding prison transport van while shrugging of MP5 fire. Which seems to suggest that they can move surprisingly fast if they want to. (As to why they do not use that ability when fighting other terminators - who knows. Maybe it drains the batteries? Cameron does use slightly faster hand-to-hand combat in one episode)Napoleon the Clown wrote:Because Grievous is considerably faster that the T-800 and is far from representative of what most droids can do.Aquatain wrote:Why not just compare The Terminator with General Grievous since they are both cybernetics and we have actually seen the general in hand to hand combat?
You are right, I just checked. Assuming it has the same attributes as Stormtrooper armour, a single punch of hers (which was all that it took) has more kinetic energy than bullets fired by modern rifles. So her punch has way more power than 1,177–2,240 J (5.56x45mm). However, I have not found any other calculations for stormtrooper armour, since all I found was: "can deflect kinetic energy much stronger as the impact from modern rifles".She broke through that vulture bounty hunter thingie's armour with her bare hands in the Evolution comic, I think; is there anyone available to do calcs on that, assuming conservative figures for armour durability and thickness?
We never see a terminator in a similar situation. Cromartie does decide to walk over a school bus instead of jumping over it, but that is a problem more related to poor intelligence instead of jumping abilites. He also probably wanted the high ground to better scan the parking lot. Note that both Cameron nor another terminator jump anywhere in the new series, but both were fully operational after falling three stories.Darth Hoth wrote:More on Guri: I checked the comic again, and apparently she can jump rather high. I am referring to when she jumps through the hole in the shield surrounding Caveel's fortress; from a rough scaling of the wall her jump is compared to in that picture, using the gate the Pikkel Sisters left through a couple of pages earlier, it can easily be ten metres or more. I am not sure how useful that is, but it indicates pretty good mobility and leg strength.
I've, alas, not got my computer working, and can't really look this stuff up, but from memory: there's some suggestions of single megajoules - most often in bits where they chew up the scenery (The SM Stirling novels retcon it to 'forty megawatt' range; single megajoule shots, in other words). The best example is in the questionably canonical 'T2' ride that Cameron made, which, as I recall, depicts smallarms blasting sizeable holes in foot wide concrete pillars. There's some other examples in the future-war segments of them doing noticable damage to the scenery. You can probably get something on this from my posts searching for T2-3D in particular. Of course, the TX's gun is also rather impressive, in terms of the kinetic energy it bestows, at any rate.TithonusSyndrome wrote:About as well as any battle droid. I remember Necronlord making a case for Skynet-era "laser" weaponry dishing out about the same kind of punishment as SW blasters.
I am sorry, but the whole idea of a 25.000+ old robot being fully operational and also managing to fight well against the wong....is just plain laughable. Who came up with that story?Count Chocula wrote:Hmm, I've got a candidate from the Wayback machine: Xim the Despot's War Robots. Relics from 25,000 years BBY, a large number of them were functional during and after the Imperial era.
They seem to fit the requirements - they have numerous weapons (which are of course off for this scenario), stand almost 3 meters high, have armored exteriors, and hands with fingers. And they were designed and built by humans (Tions according to Wiki), which would infer that they were programmed to find and exploit human anatomical weaknesses. They also kicked ass on the Vong before being destroyed.
The droids were in storage and inactive (it's been a long time since I've read the book, they might have been maintained by cultists as well). They had massively thick armour plate that was quite resistant to modern hand weapons as well as multiple built in weapons and huge strength.Thanas wrote:
I am sorry, but the whole idea of a 25.000+ old robot being fully operational and also managing to fight well against the wong....is just plain laughable. Who came up with that story?
I have read the Han Solo Adventures and it was laughable back then. Bad fiction, really.Count Chocula wrote:They made their first appearance in the novel "Han Solo And The Lost Legacy" - of course Han Solo and Gallandro (Han's opponent) pwned the droids, but they're both super-duper quick draw artists and crack shots. And, Solo has a neutronium character shield. The war droids wiped out everyone else at the mining site (if I recall the book correctly), and it was a close-run thing for Solo and Gallandro to escape. If a utility droid had not come up with a way to deal with the robots - don't want to spoil the book - they most likely would have killed Solo too.
So you are saying the Vong, who had no trouble curbstomping stormies, who wear a wanktastic armour, were defeated by a force that did not even use blasters?Imperial Overlord wrote: The droids were in storage and inactive (it's been a long time since I've read the book, they might have been maintained by cultists as well). They had massively thick armour plate that was quite resistant to modern hand weapons as well as multiple built in weapons and huge strength.
General grievous would easily take the terminator out. the moment he punched a dent in the aircraft when fighting kenobe proved he had some exotic alloy. I doubt no small pack of home made c4 is going to bust grievous into pieces.Aquatain wrote:Why not just compare The Terminator with General Grievous since they are both cybernetics and we have actually seen the general in hand to hand combat?
Battle of Ithor (where they fight both stormies and commandoes)Darth Ruinus wrote:A Basilisk wardroid is more like a Terminator HK, since it can fly and is armed IIRC with starfighter grade weaponry.
When did the Vong fight stormies? I have never read any SW book so I wouldn't know.
Terminators have punched through walls and metal. Heck, one terminator put another terminator through a steel wall.need4spd wrote: General grievous would easily take the terminator out. the moment he punched a dent in the aircraft when fighting kenobe proved he had some exotic alloy. I doubt no small pack of home made c4 is going to bust grievous into pieces.
