Let's just say that yea, maybe Neo was in some other Advanced Matrix where the Code is Gold when he did his Smith-delete thing.
I really can't see the Machines bothering with the whole charade of keeping Humans around unless the Deus Ex Machina is somewhat sadistic and wants to reenact "I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream." And yes, there are too many ways the Machines can get around the Dark Storm effect if they wanted to, like maybe expand outward into space?
Homer Simpson : SLobber .... (Insert random item here)
Shroom Man 777 wrote:The whole point of the Matrix films is that almost *nothing* is real. ? I mean even their postapocalyptic "reality" was supposed to be engineered by the Machines to perpetuate their weirdo bullshit plans.
'Just for this scenario presume that there something like "Human Farms" etc physically present on the destroyed earth, the sunlight blocking nanos are still there and the Machines have not in 500 years managed to figure out any antidote by themselves.
Like i said, unless the Machines needed to keep them around, why would they, unless they want to be needlessly sadistic and get their kicks from slaugtering 250K+ humans The Hard Way 5 times previously?
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Neo never leaves the matrix. That's why he has powers in the so called "real world". The machines don't actually need humans for anything, and the sky isn't scorched at all. They run The Matrix and its layers because they find it highly amusing.
I refuse to accept any other explanations for the shocking failure displayed by the series.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
Shroom Man 777 wrote:The whole point of the Matrix films is that almost *nothing* is real. Is it the air you breathe? What is real? The red pill, or the blue pill? I mean even their postapocalyptic "reality" was supposed to be engineered by the Machines to perpetuate their weirdo bullshit plans.
And it could've been handled so much better if the Wachowskis didn't get caught up in their own legend. It's not like they're incapable of making a good movie: they made the first Matrix, after all, V wasn't exactly terrible, Book Of Eli is supposedly quite a good film. Yet Matrix 2 & 3 were stinkers of epic proportions. It's like they snorted ground cash after Matrix 1 and were high when making the other two movies
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Shroom Man 777 wrote:The whole point of the Matrix films is that almost *nothing* is real. ? I mean even their postapocalyptic "reality" was supposed to be engineered by the Machines to perpetuate their weirdo bullshit plans.
'Just for this scenario presume that there something like "Human Farms" etc physically present on the destroyed earth, the sunlight blocking nanos are still there and the Machines have not in 500 years managed to figure out any antidote by themselves.
Like i said, unless the Machines needed to keep them around, why would they, unless they want to be needlessly sadistic and get their kicks from slaugtering 250K+ humans The Hard Way 5 times previously?
Some old, hard-wired imperative to keep mankind alive, maybe. Let's not forget that, as far as we know, mankind was actually the aggressor and the one that completely fucked up the world. The machines pretty much moved into a stance of 'we would like to keep our creators alive, but they are goddamn retards. Put them in these vats and give them paradise while we try and fix the world'. That was the initial plan for the Matrix. Paradise for its inhabitants, no Zion to slaughter at all.
"Doctors keep their scalpels and other instruments handy, for emergencies. Keep your philosophy ready too—ready to understand heaven and earth. In everything you do, even the smallest thing, remember the chain that links them. Nothing earthly succeeds by ignoring heaven, nothing heavenly by ignoring the earth." M.A.A.A
loomer wrote:
That was the initial plan for the Matrix. Paradise for its inhabitants, no Zion to slaughter at all.
How can we really know that, though? The only mention of this was from Smith, who was trying to break Morpheus at a time. He could've been lying through his teeth, especially since the machines think nothing of allowing agents to take over random humans in the Matrix and discarding the bodies like cheap tissue paper when they stop being useful.
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Well, we can't, but it's a pretty reasonable motive compared to a lot of the other ones. They're mostly emotionless machines, they don't have any real reason to keep us around (except as processors in a massive neural net. I'm sticking with that rather than 'lol power') beyond a genuinely benevolent motive.
"Doctors keep their scalpels and other instruments handy, for emergencies. Keep your philosophy ready too—ready to understand heaven and earth. In everything you do, even the smallest thing, remember the chain that links them. Nothing earthly succeeds by ignoring heaven, nothing heavenly by ignoring the earth." M.A.A.A
loomer wrote:(except as processors in a massive neural net. I'm sticking with that rather than 'lol power')
To process what, exactly? Their brain is dedicated to living out a fantasy. They can only really get the full immersion depicted if they're basically just nabbing all of the neural signals as they leave the brain and introducing phony signals to enforce consistency in their virtual world. Any brain system you task to do something else needs to have it's functionality mimicked by a computer, which has to be of equivelant power to make it work the same.
Any computing power they somehow magicked out of this system would be orders of magnitude less than it takes to simulate the goings on of the world, enforcing consistency between individuals, running the human-maintenance software and so on.
I'm sticking with my amusement hypothesis.
A scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
