Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg

[gamer]

I don't know why you are calling this wank getting mad at me for saying it probably could eat an alien is pretty silly, especially your counter argument which consists of "it's alien duh". Blacklight can eat a radio, clothing, and body armor and replicate this what makes you think it can't eat an alien? Unless the aliens aren't using DNA and made out of metal I don't see the problem.

Your entire argument has been "Blacklight can eat and replicate anything, alien or not, as long as it's alive! Hurrr!" And that's dumb and unsupported by any evidence.

And yes, I am having doubts on the Borg infecting any of the competitors here since the only real non humanoid race they come across Species 8472 is incapable of being assimilated.

Which had little to do with Species 8472 being non-humanoid and was mostly to do with the fact that they were aliens from another dimension of space who may or may not be shapeshifters, depending on how canon Star Trek: Online is.

But it doesn't matter they are on a planet of 100 billion humans. They start out with an army of 100,000 armed soldiers (I thought the Borg had some pretty tough soldiers) which is more than what anyone else starts out with except for the Scourge, since this is the entire Scourge army their army starts somewhere in the millions.

This is true, and this is why the only way this thread can be not-retarded is if you limit the assimilation/consuming/mutating abilities of each faction to the humans in question. Because there are at least three factions involved, not including Zerg or Tyranid, that are capable of taking over minds, altering bodies and enhancing dudes, and the only way to figure out how they would interact with or affect each other, or which would win out, relies entirely on guesswork. You don't know.

So just limit Blacklight's consuming ability to regular humans, limit Eves mitochondrial manipulation to regular humans, and limit borg assimilation to humans, and then maybe we can actually make something that's not a huge clusterfuck of guesswork out of this thread.

Like I said the Blacklight virus can not only consume and replicate flesh and bone but it can consume and replicate clothing, armor, and even a working radio. Think about that for a moment a virus consumes a radio takes it apart and replicates an exact duplicate of it that actually works, consuming and replicating aliens shouldn't be too difficult. They have flesh and DNA so why not, what's going to stop the virus? Also every aspect of a vs debate is speculation and guesswork no one truly knows anything.

If you want we can have a second scenario in scenario 2 everyone's powers work on just humans.

@Imperial528
Yes, 3 of the combatants are non-space faring races, but this isn't a space battle, the borg don't have any orbiting cubes and the Tyranids do not have orbiting hive ships, even the PDF isn't getting assistance from the Imperial Navy the only combatant with space flight abilities would be the Zerg and their mutalisks which somehow are capable of flapping their wings in space so that's an advantage for the Zerg but it isn't insurmountable, especially since the mutalisks need to get rather close to be able to attack targets on the ground. I wonder how well would Frost Wyrms or Tyranid gargoyles perform against a mutalisk?

Also yes, the Lich King's forces at least initially would be primarily reliant on close-combat using ancient primative weapons (while primative, warcraft weapons are far, far, better than anything we had in the middle ages) but they aren't above modernization, kill and raise a few PDF troops now you have modern soldiers, take over a military base now you have modern armor, aircraft, and so on. Kill a Blacklight Hunter raise its corpse now you have a hunter working for you, kill a Carnifex raise its corpse now undead Carnifex.

As for the Blacklight virus you are correct it has poor airborne capabilities, and non-existant spread in water (Hive worlds are mainly solid city so there wouldn't be much water to worry about). The reason for this isn't because the virus is fragile its actually quite resilient so resistant Mercer was able to survive a multi-megaton nuke, the problem is that its absurdly dense. The infected weigh in the tons, and more advanced forms like Heller and Mercer are so heavy they can jump off a building and total a tank with the shockwave by just landing next to it.
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And what is this about mitochondria? So far I only said Eve can only affect humans and possibly the other Star Trek races that are a part of the Borg since they are so genetically close to human they can interbreed, Zerg, Tyranids, possibly Blacklight, and the others would be immune. I also said Eve can raise the dead by pumping their corpses with her mitochondria which is an ability she displays in game.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Alright, I'm out, you're too enamoured with Blacklight and Eve to make anything interesting come from this thread. Although it was a lost cause to begin with.

[gamer]

Alright, I'm out, you're too enamoured with Blacklight and Eve to make anything interesting come from this thread. Although it was a lost cause to begin with.

You have yet to show me that the Blacklight virus can't eat/absorb a Zerg unit. Hell in Starcraft humans eat Zerg (there was a tv ad in the campaign talking about fried mutalisk wings) so why can't the Blacklight virus? Really I would like to know.

And Eve what about her, how am I so enamoured with her?

[Sinewmire]

I don't know much about the Lich King but I heard he was absurdly powerful and quite capable of taking things like spacemarines down so I thought maybe the scourge would do alright here, plus once they start infecting soldiers they'd have a strong military as well like their own tanks, aircraft, lasguns, etc.

Ever seen that episode of Buffy with The Judge in it? He cannot be slain by any weapon forged by man. Buffy's response? "That was then. This is now". Pulls out a rocket launcher. Boom.

Also its worth noting World of Warcraft monsters are incredibly powerful the way I see it lvl 1 equals human beyond that we are getting into superhuman territory.

Apart from all those level 80 humans running around? Rabbits are level one, and I've seen a level 50 chicken. Level is an abstract concept.

Well... a Dominatrix and "some spores" are very much capable of taking over a planet. Schlee or the spores with Schler will be able to produce enough spores of Schler own to start the usual Tyranid ecology (hyper growth of local plant matter for eating, growth of Spore Chimneys, larval Tyranid forms, then necrotic poison spores in the air etc.) but as a Hive Synapse creature Schlee can summon Tyranid fleets rending the lack of ships moot.

I think there might well be an argument for the Borg assimilating Tyranids on an individual basis - and if they did manage to assimilate say, a Noorn Queen, that'd be very interesting - but we've seen that they're pretty vulnerable to physical weapons, so they should be pretty vulnerable to Fleshborers, spike rifles, spinefists and all the usual tyranid nasties that stand up well against other 40k stuff.

I've no idea about Eve or Blacklight stuff. It pretty much comes down to can they/can't they. So, which is more powerful? Tyranid virus forms, which are refined from an entire galaxy of virus samples, or Blacklight which is from Earth? I think?

A Dominatrix is a psyker. Assuming Magic and Psychic power are more or less the same thing (implide but not a given, admittedly) She can stand up against Wacraft's magic (unless there's no relation? I don't know) and I'd be interested to see if the Shadow in the Warp disrupts the Lich King's control like Illidan's attack on Icecrown did.

[gamer]

Yeah I'm seeing a Tyranid victory, besides calling in the fleet which they can't for this debate they should be able to handle the other forces regardless.

Eve can't affect them with her powers and she typically doesn't create armies just random mutants so her forces would be far too weak, unorganized (Eve is a poor general and leader), and outnumbered to deal with the Tyranids.

The Lich King would probably have some trouble just fighting the PDF and the Tyranids would be killing undead faster than he can raise them but the Lich King at least would do better than Eve.

The Borg can't adapt to physical attacks, nanoprobes may not work, and they are outnumbered (how fast can the Borg turn the human population into Borg drones?), what the Borg do have is their superior weaponry so that might help something as "simple" as a phaser would be quite deadly even to something as big as a Carnifex (phaser to the face anyone?).

The Blacklight virus and Zerg would probably do well against the Tyranids or at least be a major pain. The Zerg are almost like Tyranid clones they reproduce almost just as fast, highly adaptable (hell they can create monsters with wings that fly in space), and intelligent (with Kerrigan leading them of course). How fast is Zerg reproduction vs Tyranid reproduction? How powerful are Zerg units compared to Tyranid units?

The Blacklight virus would also be an issue or at least very annoying it spreads very quickly (probably not as fast as Zerg or Tyranids but very fast, plus eating pounds of raw virus may not be very safe), intelligent (with Greene leading them, and it can absorb information), produces powerful beasts to fight (walkers (evolved infected) run 280mph, punch through armor, and can survive a 30mm shell to the chest and they get stronger with Hunters and the super rare Runners which may be strong enough to survive a nuke), and highly adaptable (eating Tyranid or Zerg flesh would give the virus access to their genetic information so creating hydralisk hunters and such isn't beyond their grasp).

[Lord Revan]

I don't know much about the Lich King but I heard he was absurdly powerful and quite capable of taking things like spacemarines down so I thought maybe the scourge would do alright here, plus once they start infecting soldiers they'd have a strong military as well like their own tanks, aircraft, lasguns, etc.

Ever seen that episode of Buffy with The Judge in it? He cannot be slain by any weapon forged by man. Buffy's response? "That was then. This is now". Pulls out a rocket launcher. Boom.

tbh Malygos who had intrest in seeing the Lich King gone and had no problems on having mortal races be killed to achivive his goals, didn't either try to lure Arthas out of Icecrown or simply use his mastery over magic to blow the top of the Icecrown citadel would suggest a simple RPG won't kill Arthas, that said the Lich King has limits we just don't know what exactly those limits are (a common problem with Warcraft related stuff).

[gamer]

I don't know much about the Lich King but I heard he was absurdly powerful and quite capable of taking things like spacemarines down so I thought maybe the scourge would do alright here, plus once they start infecting soldiers they'd have a strong military as well like their own tanks, aircraft, lasguns, etc.

Ever seen that episode of Buffy with The Judge in it? He cannot be slain by any weapon forged by man. Buffy's response? "That was then. This is now". Pulls out a rocket launcher. Boom.

tbh Malygos who had intrest in seeing the Lich King gone and had no problems on having mortal races be killed to achivive his goals, didn't either try to lure Arthas out of Icecrown or simply use his mastery over magic to blow the top of the Icecrown citadel would suggest a simple RPG won't kill Arthas, that said the Lich King has limits we just don't know what exactly those limits are (a common problem with Warcraft related stuff).

Yeah I don't think a rocket launcher is enough gun for the Lich King from what I've heard, it would be nice though if I could see a list of his powers or a quote or something for his feats.

[Lord Revan]

there really isn't anything usefull, just some vague hints that may or may not be hyperboles as I said before lack of accurate data is a major problem when dealing with Warcraft or Starcraft.

[gamer]

there really isn't anything usefull, just some vague hints that may or may not be hyperboles as I said before lack of accurate data is a major problem when dealing with Warcraft or Starcraft.

That's too bad there should be something out there besides just gameplay. Also since he gets the entire Scourge army his generals are there to back him up as well so that might help. I guess for now his abilities would be comparable to an extremely high level nurgle cultist psyker maybe Alpha level.

So far it seems Tyranids are on the top when it comes to power with Zerg, Blacklight and the Borg behind them. Eve and the Lich King maybe the weakest.

Pound for pound who's units are stronger the Tyranids or the Zerg? Also who reproduces/spreads the quickest Tyranids or the Zerg?

Also what kind of experience and weaponry do the Borg have for surface combat?

[Lord Revan]

well Blizzard is more concerned about making an intresting story (which can be done thru gameplay) then giving technical details and the Zerg are just as big of a question mark as the Scourge and for the same reason.

[Serafina]

Tyranid-organisms can survive 40K-Virus Bombs. Those break down biological matter, including those of alien planets.
So we know that Tyranids have some sort of defense mechanism against biological warfare. In fact we know that one super-virus designed by advanced human science can't defeat them - one that has actually shown itself capable of affecting non-terrestrial life. And destroying something is easier to boot, so it seems pretty damn unlikely that Blacklight would work well against Tyranids.

[gamer]

Tyranid-organisms can survive 40K-Virus Bombs. Those break down biological matter, including those of alien planets.
So we know that Tyranids have some sort of defense mechanism against biological warfare. In fact we know that one super-virus designed by advanced human science can't defeat them - one that has actually shown itself capable of affecting non-terrestrial life. And destroying something is easier to boot, so it seems pretty damn unlikely that Blacklight would work well against Tyranids.

I too think the Blacklight virus would have an impossible time trying to infect something like the Tyranids. Well unless they start chowing down on pounds of raw blacklight flesh this might be dangerous to their health, but breathing in the airborne virus, getting bit/scratched, etc. shouldn't do a thing.

When I say work well/be annoying I mean it would be pretty hard to completely stomp out with its regeneration, hardiness, fast growth rate, and spread. It also has the ability to create some pretty superhuman infected ranging from basic zombies that can punch through a man but go down easily to gunfire to the walkers(people who have survived as a zombie for a few days) who run 280mph, punch through armor, and survive 30mm autocannon rounds to the chest or the hunters who sprint faster than 300mph, rip through tanks, and can survive being hit with a 120mm HEAT round and beyond them the Runners who are known for being superintelligent, shapeshifters, bullet dodgers who can run continously at 280mph, strong enough to level buildings easily, and tough enough to survive a multi-megaton nuke these guys could give the Tyranids some trouble. Then there is Blacklight's ability to adapt it may not be able to infect the Tyranids but there isn't much stopping it from absorbing a Tyranid corpse and getting access to its genetic information to use as it pleases which can happen in an instant, and finally Blacklight is intelligent while this doesn't give it any advantage over the Tyranids since they are also very intelligent it does make them more difficult to fight as they aren't just going up against a horde of unintelligent zombies but an actual army led by a hivemind creating a singular consciousness that possesses all the knowledge of everyone infected by the virus well until you destroy the hivemind by killing the Runners and Greene then they revert to a horde of unintelligent zombies with no direction.

Anyway with that said Blacklight probably can't beat the Tyranids not by a longshot, but it won't go down easily.

Now how about the Zerg they seem like Tyranid clones can they defeat the Tyranids? Are Zerg units stronger than Tyranid units? Do the Zerg reproduce and spread faster?

Also not much has been said about the Borg. What kind of weapons and experience do they have for planetary combat? How fast can they convert the human population into Borg drones?

[gamer]

I guess this is the inevitable conclusion if the Tyranids can't be stopped.

[Imperial528]

The Zerg are really closer to Aliens or biological Borg than the Tyranids, although they do look very similar and I wouldn't be surprised if the design of the Zerg was also influenced by the Tyranids, but regardless, the Zerg are just weaker as a species than Tyranids. Although I don't know if the Tyranids have the sort of build-up ability that the Zerg do, however I don't think that will matter much because the Tyranids can literally eat away the planet with the Zerg still on it.

[Metahive]

Like I said the Blacklight virus can not only consume and replicate flesh and bone but it can consume and replicate clothing, armor, and even a working radio. Think about that for a moment a virus consumes a radio takes it apart and replicates an exact duplicate of it that actually works, consuming and replicating aliens shouldn't be too difficult. They have flesh and DNA so why not, what's going to stop the virus? Also every aspect of a vs debate is speculation and guesswork no one truly knows anything.

If you want we can have a second scenario in scenario 2 everyone's powers work on just humans.

Question one, when does that happen and question two, if he can replicate complex machines, why can't he eat and subsequently morph into a tank or helicopter? Hell, he can't even replicate the other virus forms he eats, he can't become a hunter, a super soldier or don Liz Greene's giant worm "armor".

Both the Zerg and the Tyranids have way more experience with biological warfare than humanity and humanity found a way to counter Alex fairly quickly, first the parasitic tumor and later bloodtox. I don't think either space bug race won't have much trouble dealing with him.

[gigabytelord]

The Zerg are really closer to Aliens or biological Borg than the Tyranids, although they do look very similar and I wouldn't be surprised if the design of the Zerg was also influenced by the Tyranids, but regardless, the Zerg are just weaker as a species than Tyranids. Although I don't know if the Tyranids have the sort of build-up ability that the Zerg do, however I don't think that will matter much because the Tyranids can literally eat away the planet with the Zerg still on it.

Actually, fun fact, the Zerg are the Tyranids, sort of... you see starcraft was going to be a wh40k game originally, but at the last second games workshop pulled the rights, so Blizzard facing bankruptcy or being sued if they went ahead with the release, chose to rename and rework the already finished game.

And now we have starcraft, seems like a bad choice on the part of games workshop to me.

[Imperial528]

That's interesting, although from a quick search it seems it is just a rumor. I was thinking mainly in terms of behavior though, as the Zerg are more of a Borg "assimilate all" with some Alien "infect peoples" thrown in, rather than Tyranid "eat everything". That and there are a lot more direct similarities between the Aliens series and the Zerg than with the Tyranids (In the SC beta that later become the demo, the Zerg are referred to as xenomorphs by the Terrans)

[gamer]

Like I said the Blacklight virus can not only consume and replicate flesh and bone but it can consume and replicate clothing, armor, and even a working radio. Think about that for a moment a virus consumes a radio takes it apart and replicates an exact duplicate of it that actually works, consuming and replicating aliens shouldn't be too difficult. They have flesh and DNA so why not, what's going to stop the virus? Also every aspect of a vs debate is speculation and guesswork no one truly knows anything.

If you want we can have a second scenario in scenario 2 everyone's powers work on just humans.

Question one, when does that happen and question two, if he can replicate complex machines, why can't he eat and subsequently morph into a tank or helicopter? Hell, he can't even replicate the other virus forms he eats, he can't become a hunter, a super soldier or don Liz Greene's giant worm "armor".

Both the Zerg and the Tyranids have way more experience with biological warfare than humanity and humanity found a way to counter Alex fairly quickly, first the parasitic tumor and later bloodtox. I don't think either space bug race won't have much trouble dealing with him.

Mercer replicates radios, gasmasks, clothing, body armor all the time just play the game. I really have no idea why the virus can eat a radio and replicate it, or even eat non-biological clothing and such and replicate it. Personally I think it somehow just mimics the appearance and function of these devices but its still just flesh like after eating a radio it now understands exactly how a radio functions so creates an organ that looks, feels, and works like a radio.

Mercer just doesn't bother becoming a zombie it really wouldn't help him, and yes absorbing other mutants happens all the time in the game. Mercer learns how to shapeshift his body into various weapons by consuming a Hunter, he learns how to grow armor after being mauled by walkers, and in Prototype 2 it appears he may have full control over the infection by absorbing Greene. Heller and the Supreme Hunter are all similar.
Greene is also infected with the Blacklight virus her hives are like factories for processing genetic information in the Web of Intrigue it states Greene uses the infected to gather the dead and bring it to her hives for processing just using human dna she can create hunters, hydras, and other mutants. I really think the devs were influenced by The Thing, Blacklight has all of its characteristics except amplified.

As for Blackwatch's ability to combat the virus they are the creators of the virus after all so they should know how it works. They created men strong enough to throw ballistic missiles like javelins in just days and even they were very ineffective against the virus. They developed Bloodtox to poison the virus it works wonders initially but in a few days the virus has adapted. They develop a cancer to defeat the virus by making the virus eat itself it works very well on Mercer but works horribly on Greene, Greene immediately rejects it then turns it into her own monster in seconds making a sentient cancer with all of Mercer's powers but loyal to Greene.

I'm not saying the virus can infect Zerg or the Tyranids such a task would be near impossible with the hivemind and powerful immune systems they both have (eating Blacklight infected corpses may infect them though). The virus can however consume one of them and gain access to their genetic information to learn more about them, create more powerful mutants and modify itself to become more deadly and all of this can happen in a span of a few seconds.

With that said Blacklight probably isn't going to be capable of taking on the Tyranids but it won't go down easily.

Zerg may have a better shot if they are just as strong as Tyranids or else they'd be in the same boat as the Blacklight virus. I'm not sure how Borg would fare though.

[gigabytelord]

Mercer replicates radios, gasmasks, clothing, body armor all the time just play the game. I really have no idea why the virus can eat a radio and replicate it, or even eat non-biological clothing and such and replicate it. Personally I think it somehow just mimics the appearance and function of these devices but its still just flesh like after eating a radio it now understands exactly how a radio functions so creates an organ that looks, feels, and works like a radio.

Mercer just doesn't bother becoming a zombie it really wouldn't help him, and yes absorbing other mutants happens all the time in the game. Mercer learns how to shapeshift his body into various weapons by consuming a Hunter, he learns how to grow armor after being mauled by walkers, and in Prototype 2 it appears he may have full control over the infection by absorbing Greene. Heller and the Supreme Hunter are all similar.
Greene is also infected with the Blacklight virus her hives are like factories for processing genetic information in the Web of Intrigue it states Greene uses the infected to gather the dead and bring it to her hives for processing just using human dna she can create hunters, hydras, and other mutants. I really think the devs were influenced by The Thing, Blacklight has all of its characteristics except amplified.

As for Blackwatch's ability to combat the virus they are the creators of the virus after all so they should know how it works. They created men strong enough to throw ballistic missiles like javelins in just days and even they were very ineffective against the virus. They developed Bloodtox to poison the virus it works wonders initially but in a few days the virus has adapted. They develop a cancer to defeat the virus by making the virus eat itself it works very well on Mercer but works horribly on Greene, Greene immediately rejects it then turns it into her own monster in seconds making a sentient cancer with all of Mercer's powers but loyal to Greene.

I'm not saying the virus can infect Zerg or the Tyranids such a task would be near impossible with the hivemind and powerful immune systems they both have (eating Blacklight infected corpses may infect them though). The virus can however consume one of them and gain access to their genetic information to learn more about them, create more powerful mutants and modify itself to become more deadly and all of this can happen in a span of a few seconds.

With that said Blacklight probably isn't going to be capable of taking on the Tyranids but it won't go down easily.

Zerg may have a better shot if they are just as strong as Tyranids or else they'd be in the same boat as the Blacklight virus. I'm not sure how Borg would fare though.

Sounds like a never ending war to me, or the PDF will be the winners in the end. Think about it what happens when you place all of these powerful foes in the same place? They'll try their best to kill each other before they start going after the PDF.

I think in all honesty that you are going to end up with a never ending stale mate, as soon as one enemy gets the upper hand the others will dog pile him, unless the Zerg and Nids make friendly for even a short period of time and then everyone else is fucked, and by the way I'm not saying that's even possible, it would be scary as hell though.

Now from what I've heard about the blacklight virus it's best bet would be to go after the PDF first to build an army, but then again even in the games the US military was considered a credible threat, and the PDF has, well... just slightly better tech at it's disposal.

Now how about them Borg, well they shouldn't have any issues dealing with the weird and wacky genetic antics that the various enemies are throwing at them, but they will have an issue with numbers, can they produce enough drones to be a viable long term enemy, and as stated before the PDF are not push overs so capturing humans to mass convert will be an issue, especially while the fucking nids and zerg are running around trying to eat everything.

Aw the lich King, all I can say is if the undead plague is magical and not viral then fuck this shit where's my shot gun.

[Serafina]

Mercer clearly can't replicate non-biological matter. In fact he can't even properly replicate biological matter - he can absorb it, and he can shift his appearance such that he looks like a certain human, but that's about it. He can't turn into Hunters or Super-Soldiers - all he has is the ability to disguise himself as another human, and to absorb biomatter to heal himself.

He most likely just absorbed (as in, kept inside his body) a radio once (or several times if the old one breaks) and uses it. Just like he uses weapons he picks up, instead of morphing them from nowhere. We never see his clothing being anything other than appearance - he doesn't spontaneously morph a functional gasmask when affected by Bloodtox, he doesn't morph ranged weapons or anything else.


Bottom line: All he can do is absorb biomatter of humans (and mabye other terrestrial creatures), and morph his own body into various biological weapons. Or in other words: Tyranid Warfare 101, except on a smaller scale.

[Eulogy]

Also, don't forget that the longer this conflict drags on the greater the probability that the humans will start gaining the upper hand, whether it be by stealing Borg tech and equipment, studying corpses of the fallen, or even turning the tables by bringing under control some of a side's minions, even if only temporary. Besides, what's to say that a few civilians manage to nick some spellbooks from the servants of Arthas?

If they get ignored too long, I daresay the humans might just resolve this conflict for all sides concerned, AND they get much magic, new technology, and (not so) shiny toys to show for it. It'd be like X-COM on acid.

[gamer]

Mercer clearly can't replicate non-biological matter. In fact he can't even properly replicate biological matter - he can absorb it, and he can shift his appearance such that he looks like a certain human, but that's about it. He can't turn into Hunters or Super-Soldiers - all he has is the ability to disguise himself as another human, and to absorb biomatter to heal himself.

He most likely just absorbed (as in, kept inside his body) a radio once (or several times if the old one breaks) and uses it. Just like he uses weapons he picks up, instead of morphing them from nowhere. We never see his clothing being anything other than appearance - he doesn't spontaneously morph a functional gasmask when affected by Bloodtox, he doesn't morph ranged weapons or anything else.


Bottom line: All he can do is absorb biomatter of humans (and mabye other terrestrial creatures), and morph his own body into various biological weapons. Or in other words: Tyranid Warfare 101, except on a smaller scale.

Mercer does certainly absorb non-biologicals its not like he leaves clothing behind after he consumes someone nor does he possess the thing's weakness the inability to consume metal. You're right his disguise isn't non-biological its the Blacklight virus but redesigned in such a way to look like his victim down to the fabric on his clothes. Creating a gasmask doesn't help because Bloodtox is designed to cause necrosis immediately upon skin contact and unfortunately for Mercer his disguises are actually a part of his flesh, unfortunately for Blackwatch the infected are quickly able to adapt. As for turning into Hunters or Supersoldiers what purpose would that serve? The infected are smart enough to see past any of Mercer's disguises so it won't work sort of like morphing into a Tyranid warrior the Tyranids will know you aren't one of them so they'll attack anyway. He probably could transform into them if he wanted its obvious he can already absorb their biomass, memories, and genetic information (he absorbs a Hunter to gain the ability to create bioweapons, he later absorbs another hunter to cure cancer.) This is still far more impressive than the Tyranids you don't see Tyranids taking down a space marine eating him and then becoming space marines themselves with all the memories and skills that, that space marine knew and all of this occurring within a 5 second timeline.

Greene also absorbs biomatter except on a much larger scale her hives are like factories where the infected bring the corpses of the dead to them so their genetic material can be processed and used, being limited to just human DNA Greene was capable of creating Hunters, Hydras, and other mutants which is pretty impressive when you think about it. If they fight the Zerg or Tyranids they can bring the corpses to the hives break them down and absorb their biomass, memories (typical zerg memories aren't going to be terribly helpful though), and genetic information to do with as they please, a very useful ability I must say.

The Tyranids while likely to win won't have an easy fight with this.

[gamer]

I think this all comes down to

then again I heard Zerg are like the watered-down version of the Tyranids and vastly weaker if so they would be in the same situation as the Blacklight virus strong enough to not get outright stomped but too weak to actually destroy the Tyranids.

I'm still wondering what kind of weapons, tactics, and experience do the Borg have for planetary combat? So far it seems they only have drones and if so they may have difficulty just handling the PDF. Though they could capture and assimilate Imperial technology and modify it for the Borg like a Leman Russ tank with a giant phaser or something.

Lich King Arthas might still have a chance with all the bodies and tech laying around he can use for his undead army.

Eve would be pretty much a non-threat to the other factions it seems.

Or you never know the PDF could win this unfortunately they are being actively attacked by Eve, Greene, the Borg, and the Lich King as they all need humans to expand their power.

[gigabytelord]

Or you never know the PDF could win this unfortunately they are being actively attacked by Eve, Greene, the Borg, and the Lich King as they all need humans to expand their power.

You see, there's the issue, allmost all of these forces need humans to grow, and not only are they all trying their best to kill/eat each other but their only source of replenishment can actively shoot back and depending on which commander is present, can do so very effectively, this is basically a 6 v 1 contest, except the 6 are all trying to murder each other on the way to the finish line.

I have a feeling that when they get there, they'll be to bogged down killing each other that the PDF will just say "fuck it" and use human wave tactics against the survivors, when you have a population of one hundred billion to draw on, fighting reserves aren't really an issue.

[avatarxprime]

That's interesting, although from a quick search it seems it is just a rumor. I was thinking mainly in terms of behavior though, as the Zerg are more of a Borg "assimilate all" with some Alien "infect peoples" thrown in, rather than Tyranid "eat everything". That and there are a lot more direct similarities between the Aliens series and the Zerg than with the Tyranids (In the SC beta that later become the demo, the Zerg are referred to as xenomorphs by the Terrans)

Umm, xenomorph means "alien form," it's an accurate term to use when talking about the Zerg before the humans actually know what the Zerg are. In the demo the Zerg are just starting to invade and previously every world they came to, the Protoss showed up and glassed it to stop the spread. Also, I would say the Zerg favor the "eat everyone" style. The only reason they are bothering with assimilating humans as opposed to just eating them is because they need humanity's psionic abilities to prepare themselves to fight and later assimilate the Protoss. It's funny though how despite this the Zerg apparently gain no resistance to psionic manipulation that the humans are able to put together.