Darth Maul vs Darth Vader

[Perinquus]

What's this? It looks like Vader is tearing off Darth Maul's little horns and is gouging at Maul's eyes with them! And down goes Maul!

This is Nick Nitro saying good fight, good night.

The comic was in the Infinities series, which has no bearing on anything. In actual combat, Vader would annihilate Maul.

Remember that in RotJ, Vader was also toying with Luke until Luke caved and turned temporarily to the Dark Side. Then he recovered himself, having beaten up on Vader. I should also point out that Maul seems to have the worst luck with cheap moves, losing to Obi-Wan, who Vader bested easily, and Vader in the Infinities series.

Excuse me, were you paying attention to the lightsaber fight in ANH?

Now, just to set the record straight, old Obi Wan was holding Vader off without seeming difficulty. Watch his death scene closely. He looks to his left, sees Luke, Han, the princess and all run across the hanger bay to the Falcon and realizes they can now escape, then turns his head back toward Vader, straightens up from his fighting posture, raises his blade out of guard to vertical, and closes his eyes, leaving himself wide open. In other words, he stopped fighting. He probably had to stop to concentrate on "becoming one with the Force" instead of merely dying.

You do understand he sacrificed himself? He knew he couldn't fight his way past Vader, and all the stormtroopers, and the others wouldn't leave as long as he was still drawing breath, and since it was more important that they get away to destroy the death star later, he gave up. Until that point he and Vader appear to have been very evenly matched.

[Perinquus]

I am oh so tired of hearing how Vader is a cripple. Once Vader in his fully armored suit glory kicks Mace Windu's ass in Episode III; I can sit back and revel in my "I was sooooooo right"-

We may not get to see the fully-armored Vader fight a Jedi Master; GL has said that Episode III is going to be mostly Anakin, so perhaps the tranformation to Vader is something that will occur near the end of the movie. And the fight with Obi-Wan will likely be the climax of Episode III. Obi-Wan is going to have to be in rare form in this fight, given the fact that he is one of the worst characters with a lightsaber we've seen so far.

How do you figure he's one of the worst? We've only seen him fight two opponents who were themselves using lightsabers. In TPM his style is flashier and less refined than Qui Gon's, but that could be chalked up to youth and inexperience. AOTC is set several years later, when he has presumably learned better discipline and refined his technique. He lost to Dooku because Dooku is supposed to be one of the greatest swordmasters in the history of the Jedi order. Apart from Obi Wan we've only seen three other Jedi fighting other saber wielding opponents - Qui Gon, Anakin, and Yoda. And the only one of the three to succeed where Obi Wan failed was Yoda. This is not exactly a broad basis for comparison.

[Master of Ossus]

Qui-Gon was also one of the greatest swordsmen in the Jedi Order (ref. canon TPM novelisation).

[Vympel]

The fight with Obi-Wan definitely won't be the climax of the movie- think about all the ways the plot will go- the movie definitely won't end on the fight and then putter out to nothing- the fight with Obi-Wan will be in the second half of the film to be sure, but GL has already formulated the 'Vader scene' in his head according to interviews- we've gotta see Vader do SOMETHING. Hopefully kill a Jedi

[Joe]

I am oh so tired of hearing how Vader is a cripple. Once Vader in his fully armored suit glory kicks Mace Windu's ass in Episode III; I can sit back and revel in my "I was sooooooo right"-

We may not get to see the fully-armored Vader fight a Jedi Master; GL has said that Episode III is going to be mostly Anakin, so perhaps the tranformation to Vader is something that will occur near the end of the movie. And the fight with Obi-Wan will likely be the climax of Episode III. Obi-Wan is going to have to be in rare form in this fight, given the fact that he is one of the worst characters with a lightsaber we've seen so far.

How do you figure he's one of the worst? We've only seen him fight two opponents who were themselves using lightsabers. In TPM his style is flashier and less refined than Qui Gon's, but that could be chalked up to youth and inexperience. AOTC is set several years later, when he has presumably learned better discipline and refined his technique. He lost to Dooku because Dooku is supposed to be one of the greatest swordmasters in the history of the Jedi order. Apart from Obi Wan we've only seen three other Jedi fighting other saber wielding opponents - Qui Gon, Anakin, and Yoda. And the only one of the three to succeed where Obi Wan failed was Yoda. This is not exactly a broad basis for comparison.

He's by no means a bad fighter, he's just not on the same level as some of the true masters like Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Yoda, Dooku, or Maul. Anakin is a much better Padawan than Obi-Wan was, at least in the realm of sabre-fighting. So while Obi-Wan may be one of the greatest fencers in the galaxy, he is, when compared with most of the other fencers we have seen thus far, one of the worst.

[Joe]

The fight with Obi-Wan definitely won't be the climax of the movie- think about all the ways the plot will go- the movie definitely won't end on the fight and then putter out to nothing- the fight with Obi-Wan will be in the second half of the film to be sure, but GL has already formulated the 'Vader scene' in his head according to interviews- we've gotta see Vader do SOMETHING. Hopefully kill a Jedi

GL has ended each of the Star Wars films with a musical sequence; maybe he intends to include Vader's transformation in this sequence? That would be cool as hell. On the other hand, Obi-Wan knows about Vader being revived and put in the life-support suit, so he's obviously SEEN Darth Vader in all his glory. So you're probably right; we'll see Vader in action. I am looking forward to see how Vader stacks up against a Jedi Knight in his prime with his physical limitations, and how he has to change his fighting style.

[Perinquus]

We may not get to see the fully-armored Vader fight a Jedi Master; GL has said that Episode III is going to be mostly Anakin, so perhaps the tranformation to Vader is something that will occur near the end of the movie. And the fight with Obi-Wan will likely be the climax of Episode III. Obi-Wan is going to have to be in rare form in this fight, given the fact that he is one of the worst characters with a lightsaber we've seen so far.

How do you figure he's one of the worst? We've only seen him fight two opponents who were themselves using lightsabers. In TPM his style is flashier and less refined than Qui Gon's, but that could be chalked up to youth and inexperience. AOTC is set several years later, when he has presumably learned better discipline and refined his technique. He lost to Dooku because Dooku is supposed to be one of the greatest swordmasters in the history of the Jedi order. Apart from Obi Wan we've only seen three other Jedi fighting other saber wielding opponents - Qui Gon, Anakin, and Yoda. And the only one of the three to succeed where Obi Wan failed was Yoda. This is not exactly a broad basis for comparison.

He's by no means a bad fighter, he's just not on the same level as some of the true masters like Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Yoda, Dooku, or Maul. Anakin is a much better Padawan than Obi-Wan was, at least in the realm of sabre-fighting. So while Obi-Wan may be one of the greatest fencers in the galaxy, he is, when compared with most of the other fencers we have seen thus far, one of the worst.

Well, as I said, we've basically seen three, besides Obi Wan himself. You really can't say for certain that Obi Wan is less skilled a lightsaber fencer than Mace Windu is, because we have no direct evidence that this is, in fact, the case. We haven't yet seen Mace Windu fight another lightsaber wielder.