Avengers out on DVD

[Majin Gojira]

I don't remember the Widow taking such a shot from the Hulk, but that would be stretching it.

It's either a shove or casual backhand she takes. Either way, it's not "Imma gonna hit black widow" it's more she gets hit as a side effect of his trying to find a way out at that point. It's only after he hits her does he remember, "Oh yeah, that girl annoyed me! HULK SMA--" and then Thor happens.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Also, Luke's point about Coulsen's god-killing gun having RPG firepower, well, Coulsen himself states it's an untested prototype and he doesn't know what it will do.

[Crazedwraith]

I don't remember the Widow taking such a shot from the Hulk, but that would be stretching it.

It's either a shove or casual backhand she takes. Either way, it's not "Imma gonna hit black widow" it's more she gets hit as a side effect of his trying to find a way out at that point. It's only after he hits her does he remember, "Oh yeah, that girl annoyed me! HULK SMA--" and then Thor happens.

Also this is the same universe that will have definitely normal human Tony Stark jetboot himself skull first into his garage with no permant damage. Just putting that out there. Marvel movies have never been that good at showing realistic impact effect.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

I don't remember the Widow taking such a shot from the Hulk, but that would be stretching it.

It's either a shove or casual backhand she takes. Either way, it's not "Imma gonna hit black widow" it's more she gets hit as a side effect of his trying to find a way out at that point. It's only after he hits her does he remember, "Oh yeah, that girl annoyed me! HULK SMA--" and then Thor happens.

Also this is the same universe that will have definitely normal human Tony Stark jetboot himself skull first into his garage with no permant damage. Just putting that out there. Marvel movies have never been that good at showing realistic impact effect.

As I recall, he actually put a hole in the roof- clearly it must have been made of tin foil

[Ted C]

I didn't even interpret that scene as Stark's armour running out of power because it was in space. During the fight, Jarvis had already informed Stark that the armour was almost out of power, after which Stark leapt up into the air, flew out to intercept a missile, grabbed it, forced it into a new course, and flew it into the portal. Stark's armour wasn't powering down because it was in space, it was powering down because it was out of power.

Stark even told Jarvis to "save everything we've got left for the turn".

[Scrib]

I don't remember the Widow taking such a shot from the Hulk, but that would be stretching it.

It's either a shove or casual backhand she takes. Either way, it's not "Imma gonna hit black widow" it's more she gets hit as a side effect of his trying to find a way out at that point. It's only after he hits her does he remember, "Oh yeah, that girl annoyed me! HULK SMA--" and then Thor happens.

Also this is the same universe that will have definitely normal human Tony Stark jetboot himself skull first into his garage with no permant damage. Just putting that out there. Marvel movies have never been that good at showing realistic impact effect.

For that matter, I'm still curious as to how a suit that is light enough for Gwyneth Paltrow to throw around can give a man enough strength to use a bodybuilding bar with weights as a club and knock over someone else in a Iron Man suit without causing any lasting damage. Those things absorb impact well.

[Simon_Jester]

For that matter, I'm still curious as to how a suit that is light enough for Gwyneth Paltrow to throw around can give a man enough strength to use a bodybuilding bar with weights as a club and knock over someone else in a Iron Man suit without causing any lasting damage. Those things absorb impact well.

I think the ultra-portable Mark V "Gwyneth Paltrow throw around" suit was different than the relatively heavy-duty Mark IV "kick my buddy's ass" armor.

[avatarxprime]

or blown to bits by a bomb. And Captain America's tiny ass shield apparently has a magnetic charm that causes all enemies to only fire once at a time, conveniently at an angle where Rogers can deflect or dodge it. And the one time he gets hit in the back, he gets back up...without even a scar! Is he superhuman now?

"Peak human potential" technically, but honestly, yeah, he's superhuman. Given the suit he was wearing (body armor and all that), that certainly would have helped.

Movie Cap is closer to Ultimates Cap than 616 Cap, so yeah, definitely superhuman, he even has a simple healing factor.

I don't remember the Widow taking such a shot from the Hulk, but that would be stretching it.

It's either a shove or casual backhand she takes. Either way, it's not "Imma gonna hit black widow" it's more she gets hit as a side effect of his trying to find a way out at that point. It's only after he hits her does he remember, "Oh yeah, that girl annoyed me! HULK SMA--" and then Thor happens.

Also this is the same universe that will have definitely normal human Tony Stark jetboot himself skull first into his garage with no permant damage. Just putting that out there. Marvel movies have never been that good at showing realistic impact effect.

I still hold to the, admittedly fan, theory that the arc generator/repulsor combo generates a natural force field around the user at all times. I mean, Tony also survived crash landing in the Mark I without any serious injuries. It would fit with the comics where the suit had its defenses enhanced by "magnetic fields".

[Sea Skimmer]

Such a field would really help explain how he could be hit by a 120mm shell, while flying forward into it at what looked like several hundred miles per hour no less, then hits the ground at a good fraction of the speed of sound with enough force to make a crater you'd expect from a 500lb bomb. The suit might be strong enough to take such hits, the human brain would be mush from either event. Smashing through the garage roof was nothing compared to those impacts.

[Cykeisme]

For Stark's survival to be even remotely possible, the suit can't just be durable on the outside, it must have some sort of Star Wars intertial compensator thingy going on inside. Maybe the "repulsor" technology has an application like that?

[FaxModem1]

Need to survive a crash? There's an app for that.

[Crazedwraith]

For Stark's survival to be even remotely possible, the suit can't just be durable on the outside, it must have some sort of Star Wars intertial compensator thingy going on inside. Maybe the "repulsor" technology has an application like that?

Considing that a) the MkI had no repulsors and b) the repulsors explicitly generate lots of recoil in their puprose as weapon and flight stabiliser. I'd go with no. No they don't.

There's no magic forcefields, or interial dampners. It's just an unrealistic comic book movie.

Wasn't that my point to begin with?

[Alkaloid]

Actually the missiles they gave him to build another missile were packed full of them, for some reason you need repulsors to make the jericho work, but I'm inclined to agree. Given that the MkIII is made of a gold titanium alloy I would assume its not one solid block of armour and is working like a cross between scale armour and spaced armour, and is also in a movie so can make physics do whatever the hell it wants.

[Crazedwraith]

Umm. No. The Jericho was the first weapon to include the repulsors. So the prior Stark techs the terrorist had did not include them. hence the mark I did not.

[Scrib]

For that matter, I'm still curious as to how a suit that is light enough for Gwyneth Paltrow to throw around can give a man enough strength to use a bodybuilding bar with weights as a club and knock over someone else in a Iron Man suit without causing any lasting damage. Those things absorb impact well.

I think the ultra-portable Mark V "Gwyneth Paltrow throw around" suit was different than the relatively heavy-duty Mark IV "kick my buddy's ass" armor.

That explains the fact that he didn't just blast off and make use of his aerial advantage, but the problems with impacts remain. They've been discussed above but it's a bit ridiculous the amount of damage he takes.

[Ted C]

Iron Man is hardly the first movie series to ignore the fact that, no matter how tough the armor is, a sufficient impact will still liquefy the person on the inside.

[Simon_Jester]

For that matter, I'm still curious as to how a suit that is light enough for Gwyneth Paltrow to throw around can give a man enough strength to use a bodybuilding bar with weights as a club and knock over someone else in a Iron Man suit without causing any lasting damage. Those things absorb impact well.

I think the ultra-portable Mark V "Gwyneth Paltrow throw around" suit was different than the relatively heavy-duty Mark IV "kick my buddy's ass" armor.

That explains the fact that he didn't just blast off and make use of his aerial advantage, but the problems with impacts remain. They've been discussed above but it's a bit ridiculous the amount of damage he takes.

Not to be disagreeable, but what do you mean about "blast off and make use of his aerial advantage?"

In the fight with Vanko... hm.

One interesting possibility (unlikely I know) is that the lightweight Mark V doesn't have flight capability.

Another is that Stark didn't want to risk Vanko getting away or causing more harm.

In the fight with Rhodes, Stark had no reason to 'blast off.' He was fighting inside the confines of a building. He didn't really want to kill his friend; the fight had more of the character of a big nasty brawl until the repulsor shots.

[Havok]

Vanko's whips have a specific range. He could have just floated out of that range and kept hitting him with repulsor blasts I think is the point he is making. I gathered the suit didn't have flight capabilities either or just quick burst type stuff.

[Simon_Jester]

Ah. On the one hand, the Mark V would be light and therefore easy to get into the air. On the other hand, the Mark V may have skipped the suit jets for the sake of further weight savings- because somehow they got the weight down to pretty much nothing but a suit of plate armor.

It's interesting to note that when Vanko went after Stark the first time, it was at a time when he "knew" Stark wouldn't be armored up. If you didn't already know about the ultralight Mark V, you'd assume that there was no way for Stark to get into his armor, and that he'd be relatively easy meat.

[Sea Skimmer]

Course if Vanko assumed he didn't have armor, a shotgun or assault rifle or a bomb, or hell pouring motor oil on the track and causing a bad crash would have worked a lot better then the energy whips did. I think Vanko just assumed Stark wouldn't fly away because he assumed someone with as big an ego as Stark wouldn't run away from the first serious challenge to his technology. Though you've also got to love all those police IIRC were running around in the background, cops in Monaco have guns and are very numerous as you'd expect in a rich tourist gambling mecca. What really should have happened is someone blows Vanko's brains out within 20 seconds.

[Scrib]

Not to be disagreeable, but what do you mean about "blast off and make use of his aerial advantage?"

In the fight with Vanko... hm.

One interesting possibility (unlikely I know) is that the lightweight Mark V doesn't have flight capability.

Another is that Stark didn't want to risk Vanko getting away or causing more harm.

That's what I meant? Why wouldn't Stark just move out of range of his whips and throw the all those cool gadgets he has at him? He's not exactly armored. I doubt he has time to get away and Stark's armor has some good targeting iirc. So the most reasonable conclusion is that he just didn't have flight.

Course if Vanko assumed he didn't have armor, a shotgun or assault rifle or a bomb, or hell pouring motor oil on the track and causing a bad crash would have worked a lot better then the energy whips did

That defeats the purpose, which was to show that Tony's tech wasn't so far ahead of the competition.

[Simon_Jester]

It would have been kind of cool if Vanko's armor had the same blatantly improvised character as Stark's Mark I suit, but with the whips. That would explain the lack of cops with guns going after Vanko, too- the police response to something like that might well be "hang on until tanks show up."

[Scrib]

It would have been kind of cool if Vanko's armor had the same blatantly improvised character as Stark's Mark I suit, but with the whips. That would explain the lack of cops with guns going after Vanko, too- the police response to something like that might well be "hang on until tanks show up."

Unfortunately had to travel with his whips. I don't think he could move something that heavy.

[Simon_Jester]

Huh?

He's got an arc reactor, and his use of an energy-intensive weapon like electro-whips suggests that he could probably have built and powered something about as capable as the Mark I if he'd put his mind to it.

[Scrib]

Huh?

He's got an arc reactor, and his use of an energy-intensive weapon like electro-whips suggests that he could probably have built and powered something about as capable as the Mark I if he'd put his mind to it.

Not my point. Tony built his armor on location and used it to travel out. IIRC Vanko transported his armor, it would have been more difficult to move a few tons worth of armor. If I recall he had to use illegal means, I think his couriers would be more suspicious as well. If they were suspicious enough he would be in trouble, what with the IM tech being highly coveted.