Predator reboot incoming

[Purple]

I have no idea what you've been smoking, ingesting, injecting or rectally inserting as of late Purple, but your posts have seriously taken a nosedive in general quality as of late. Batman and Robin was an absolute travesty of a film, aimed squarely at kids to sell as many toys as possible (hence the word 'toyetic' being bandied about during production), and somehow managed to be more camp yet far less enjoyable than the '66 movie 30 years earlier.
Schumacher straight-up admitted he fucked up, and apologised to fans for the horror he had conceived in tandem with a bloated studio obsessed with selling the film to the lowest common denominator.

We are talking about the same movie here? As in, Mr Freeze and all?

Also, why is it so inconceivable to you that I might have a different taste in movies from yours?

[Elheru Aran]

We are talking about the same movie here? As in, Mr Freeze and all?

Also, why is it so inconceivable to you that I might have a different taste in movies from yours?

The point is that by the objective standard of how many people liked it vs. those that didn't, the nays are in the vast majority compared to you. There are a number of reasons why that is-- plot, design, scripting, etc-- all to some degree subjective. But at the end of the day, what matters is that while you're not wrong for liking the movie, you are in the distinct minority and will have to acknowledge that almost everybody else thought it was absolute ass.

The alternative is that you are essentially trolling on purpose. It's like saying that you think Jar Jar Binks was the best character of the prequel trilogy.

[Purple]

The point is that by the objective standard of how many people liked it vs. those that didn't, the nays are in the vast majority compared to you. There are a number of reasons why that is-- plot, design, scripting, etc-- all to some degree subjective. But at the end of the day, what matters is that while you're not wrong for liking the movie, you are in the distinct minority and will have to acknowledge that almost everybody else thought it was absolute ass.

Honestly I just recently learned that people did not like it. The movie is way too old for me to have cared to read reviews back in the day. And so I still do not actually understand what about it they dislike. I get that most people don't like it. And I accept that. It's just one of those things I don't get. So I took the chance to probe to find out why.

The alternative is that you are essentially trolling on purpose. It's like saying that you think Jar Jar Binks was the best character of the prequel trilogy.

That's another thing I do not understand. Jar Jar was not the best character to be sure. But I honestly found him funny overall in the first movie. And was kind of sad when he was mostly left out of the later movies.

I guess I just have rather strange tastes. I mean, you probably would not find this video to be an entertaining 1.25 hours worth of watching. Where I find it so exciting that I have to pause from time to time when I start feeling overwhelmed.

[Iroscato]

Also, why is it so inconceivable to you that I might have a different taste in movies from yours?

It's not inconceivable. It's just ludicrous. You're entitled to your opinion of course, as all are, but to defend what amounted to such a gigantic middle finger to the fanbase and human intelligence in general beggars belief.

[Purple]

Also, why is it so inconceivable to you that I might have a different taste in movies from yours?

It's not inconceivable. It's just ludicrous. You're entitled to your opinion of course, as all are, but to defend what amounted to such a gigantic middle finger to the fanbase and human intelligence in general beggars belief.

As I said. I genuinely do not understand most of the criticism. Maybe it's because I genuinely could not care less for Batman as a character and just watched the movie as a campy SF with no expectations beyond a few hours mindless fun. For all I know the movie could have missed everything that makes a "Batman" movie "Batman" and I would not have noticed. Or maybe I am just a sucker for Arnolds one liners. Which again, I admittedly am.

[Borgholio]

I am serious. I loved the movie. It's fun, action packed and has Arnold in it.

You're fucking weird, Purple.

I seriously can not understand what people dislike about the movie. It had a memorable cast of villains, some very good one liners, a villain that actually felt human and a female lead for each end of the good evil spectrum. It had some great special effects, good action and was generally fun. So what's not to like?

What got me hating the movie was simple...it was cheap. I don't mean the cast...it had some huge names in it. I'm talking about the production and execution. The plot was childish, the acting was campy and over the top, many scenes felt like they were filmed in a sub-standard sound stage...

In terms of production quality and story, it was 180 degrees different from the darker, grittier, and more "realistic" Batman from the original movie. Each sequel following the first just got campier and cheesier until Batman and Robin where it could have been pulled straight out of the 1960's TV show.

That's probably why the rebooted Batman series did so well...it went back to it's roots...a dark, terrifying, mean son of a bitch in a bat costume trying to clean up an even meaner city. THAT is Batman.

[Purple]

This actually explains it than. I was always more of a Flash Gordon type of guy. So Batman and Robin fit my tastes. The other movies were always far too dark and gritty for me. And it seems that this darkness is what modern Batman is all about thus the thing I like is exactly what made Batman fans hate it. Makes sense. That's probably why I am not a fan of Batman in general outside of the few movies either.

[General Zod]

I don't recall any plot. I do recall a bunch of tropes designed to string together a few set pieces.

I mean, just compare it to the first two Batman movies with Michael Keaton. It can't hold a candle to either of them in terms of quality or acting.

[Replicant]

I don't recall any plot. I do recall a bunch of tropes designed to string together a few set pieces.

I mean, just compare it to the first two Batman movies with Michael Keaton. It can't hold a candle to either of them in terms of quality or acting.

Your not alone, just about any list of worst movies ever includes Batman and Robin.

[Purple]

I don't recall any plot. I do recall a bunch of tropes designed to string together a few set pieces.

It's been a while since I watched it but here is what I remembered.

- Ivy is created along with Bane
- Freeze shows up
- Batman and Robin stop Freeze
- Ivy appears
- Ivy seduces batman and robin
- In the mean time Alfreds niece (I think) appears and stomps around gets into gratuitous driving scene and has to be saved by robin
- Robin finds out that everyone except him knows Alfred is dying of a disease. Apparently a gentleman does not talk about his ailments.
- Batman ruins a date
- Ivy springs Freeze and they proceed to diamond, but not before Ivy disconnects Freeze's wife from life support
- Batman and robin fight over Ivy induced in no small part by her charming Gordon and rigging the Bat signal into a Robin signal.
- Things go bad
- Freeze wants to use the diamond to freeze the worldTM
- Batman and robin talk about trust and than go after them
- Batgirl finds out about Batman, gets a suit and goes after them.
- Day is saved, Freeze is told his wife is OK and will be transferred to the prison lab for him to work on, gives batman cure for Alfred in return. Best Arnold one liner in the movie. Roll credits

And I typed this out literally off the top of my head. I did not use the internet or rewatch the movie in the last several months or anything. So my apologies if I missed something major. Also, I did not bother listing the minor things like the car and motorcycle chase scene where Robin screws up or Ivy remodeling the abandoned public baths.

I mean, just compare it to the first two Batman movies with Michael Keaton. It can't hold a candle to either of them in terms of quality or acting.

Honestly I find them to be dull by comparison. Not enough action, one liners and car chases. Well aside from the driving scene with the remote controlled batcar. That's priceless.

[Channel72]

You're one special guy, Purple.

[PREDATOR490]

Reboot of Predator - See Robocop.
Prequel to Predator - See Prometheus.
Sequel to Predator - See Alien Resurrection

When it comes to the Predator / Aliens franchise it routinely produces poor movies.
The only question is how offensively stupid is it going to get and will it at least entertain.

Predators managed it much to my eternal surprise which only makes me more jaded with the next installment.
I cant imagine exploring the rich mythology of Predator producing anything good but useless screen filler like Alien VS Predator or going into the realm of insane like Prometheus.
Its a fucking gory monster film people, stop trying to make up stories about Predators building Pyramids or tying them into the convoluted Xenomorph bullshit.
I can just see them being turned into Noble Samurai with a wacky honor code while giving us a PG-13 load of CGI crap.

[Channel72]

Yeah, Predators was surprisingly good - it wasn't exactly the Aliens type blockbuster follow-up it was trying to be, but it was really going in the right direction, and definitely far better than Predator 2 or any of the AvP crap. Basically, it's one of those movies where they seemed to be doing everything right (the premise, the casting, etc.) but it didn't quite reach the level of a real classic like the original Predator. (It sort of stalled a bit when they ran into Laurence Fishburne.) But at least they were seriously trying, instead of just slapping together garbage like with AvP or Prometheus.

[Guardsman Bass]

I hated Predators, although I have a hard time pinning down exactly why I disliked it so much.

I'll watch a re-boot to Predator, although I don't see what the point of it is. The original Predator had three things going for it: 1)the memorable cast, particularly Arnie and Ventura; 2)the novelty itself of an alien big game hunter hunting people; and 3)the intense violence of it. A reboot's not going to have #2, #3 is pretty common now and difficult to stand out individually, leaving only #1 - which is a crap-shoot in terms of actors. It's probably just going to come across as a generic action movie with the predator included.

[Channel72]

The reason I liked Predators was mostly to do with the premise. A lot of times a sequel will just be a replay of the original storyline, except with some superficial difference such as location, or whatever. (See every Die Hard/Hangover/Friday the 13th movie...)

What was awesome about Aliens, was rather than simply replaying the stuff that happened in Alien with different circumstantial details, they went in an entirely new direction that made the movie stand out on it's own. Terminator 2 did the same thing. And I appreciated that Predators also did the same thing.

Rather than just rehash the "mysterious hunter kills people in Jungle/Los Angeles" from Predator and Predator 2, they went in an entirely new direction, where now the humans were all "predators" themselves, and they were taken to a different planet specifically to be hunted. It fit in perfectly with the Predator mythology, and I can't imagine another premise that would be worth exploring in a Predator sequel. We really don't need yet another "single Predator kills people until Arnold/Danny Glover/generic-action-hero kicks its ass, etc."

That said, I agree that, unlike Aliens, Predators just wasn't that awesome. The premise was fantastic, but somehow it just doesn't stand out as a classic, and I can't exactly put my finger on why that is either. Maybe it was the cast, maybe the dialogue was too bland, maybe it was the weird turn the plot took when they met Laurence Fishburne, maybe I didn't like the new Predator design... I don't know. We're certainly not going to be quoting it years later the way people still quote Aliens today.

I really think a lot of what determines whether some film becomes a classic has a lot less to do with plot/premise, and almost everything to do with memorable characters/dialogue... Predators just didn't have anything like Hudson, Burke and Ripley - not to mention all the quotable dialogue.

Regardless, I'd much rather Hollywood attempt things like Predators than just remake the same old shit.

[PREDATOR490]

Predators was pretty decent until it seems like they ran out of steam. They built up a decent premise and got the suspense going with the folks figuring out the situation which most of the audience that are not brain dead should follow.
It is after the first encounter and they get away that it seems like the movie decided they needed to explain the premise. Introduce a really silly cameo appearance so they can do plot exposition and introduce the new goals. Then you have the attempts to create 'cool' scenes even if they are completely stupid. I.E Samurai fight with a Predator with a cliche delayed double K.O

This is the same issue that AVP ran into with the endless exposition bullshit about Pyramids and introduction to the cast. They introduce you to people and they get whacked immediately. Thanks for wasting screen time on facehugger food. The major issue is the movies trying too hard to be clever or choosing a premise that requires bullshit exposition to work.

Trying to 'explore' the mythology of Predators is just going to end up creating exposition filler screens between the cast being brutally murdered in various ways. Of course, the possibility is they try and make a more interesting human story out of it. I.E Aliens with Ripley / Newt or Terminator with Connor / Arnie but that is a fairly delicate thing to pull off. As evidenced by the numerous attempts to add sequels to these franchises has proven.

The only premise that I can see being remotely interesting for a 'new' theme is if they tried to do the film with the Predator as the main character / anti-hero. Kinda like an alien Judge Dredd that enjoys tearing the spinal cords out of the enemy... yeah, I dont see it happening either.

So... sit back folks for a Predator movie that will spew bullshit exposition with potential big name cameos while showing the family friendly violence you expect from a villain that flays corpses and routinely takes skulls as trophies. Then again, I suppose you can hope they will at least maintain some level of brutality like Predators. That might at least be worth watching if they manage some interesting deaths but I fully expect the human characters to be lame stereotypes.

[Iroscato]

^ I'd actually be up for seeing a Predator movie focusing on a Predator as he murders his way across the galaxy, that could be pretty interesting. One of the problems I foresee, however, is it would have to be almost silent on his part as Predators aren't exactly wordsmiths.

[LadyTevar]

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[Batman]

I suspect 'Batman and Robin' actually worked reasonably well as a 'Who gives a damn about the plot making sense or even paying attention to the source material? As long as I get splosions, nifty one-liners and lots of pointless action scenes I'm fine' movie. So as 'popcorn' movies go it was probably alright. The problem with it is that is monumentally failed as a 'Batman' movie.

[biostem]

If they're going to make a new Predator movie, I'd like to see it kind of continue where the 1st 2 movies were going; Set something up where a group of soldiers are undertaking a mission, whose purpose they are unaware of. Have this mission turn out to be a convoluted means of trying to lure in a Predator and capture it. Now have it either go in the direction of the soldiers either just trying to survive the combination of the Predator(s) + their own higher ups willingness to sacrifice them, or have some of the soldiers who survive actually ally w/ the Predator in order to hunt down the "greater hunter" - i.e. those that tried to set them up...

[avatarxprime]

Since the talk is of the mythology of the Predators, I was actually wondering if they might go forward with the Predators idea and a plot from the books with a human who has essentially become a Predator. You could have the human "Predator" teamed up with a proper Pred hunting humans with a reveal eventually that one of the "aliens" is actually a human, with the other humans trying to get his/her help against the actual Predator.

[Metahive]

Honestly I find them to be dull by comparison. Not enough action, one liners and car chases. Well aside from the driving scene with the remote controlled batcar. That's priceless.

2/10 for your trolling attempt.

[Purple]

I suspect 'Batman and Robin' actually worked reasonably well as a 'Who gives a damn about the plot making sense or even paying attention to the source material? As long as I get splosions, nifty one-liners and lots of pointless action scenes I'm fine' movie. So as 'popcorn' movies go it was probably alright. The problem with it is that is monumentally failed as a 'Batman' movie.

This. I really newer cared about Batman as a character nor about the whole marvel comics thing. (He is a marvel character right?) I was always more of a Power Rangers kid. So the movie felt right to me. I was always like "Wow, why aren't all batman movies like this?"

Turns out Batman is not supposed to be a Power Ranger.

[Batman]

Okay, now you're undeniably trolling.

[Purple]

Okay, now you're undeniably trolling.

No, I was being metaphorical. Basically if you remove the metaphor the post reads as:

I always preferred a certain kind of style of entertainment. So the movie felt right to me because it fit that style. I was always like "Wow, why aren't all batman movies like this?" Since I like that style and wanted to see more movies like that.

Turns out that style is contrary to the spirit of the character which accounts for fans of that character not liking it.

Well that and I genuinely newer cared much for the whole set of superhero characters. I just newer was into them. I have this friend at university who is an absolute comic book fan and he keeps getting fits every time I mix up Marvel and DC characters by accident. Than again, he is the guy who told me that they argent the same thing so it's his fault by relation. A good rule of thumb with me and comic book knowledge is thus: If the character did not have a movie devoted to him I have not heard of him or her. If he or she has, I only ever know about the movies.