tyranids in the star wars galaxy

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-08 05:19am

willburns84 wrote:When the Night Lords *what*? Destroyed the planet? BDZ'd the planet?

The planet killer is pretty uber, I must admit. Let us not forget the Blackstone fortresses, when two or more were working together, they caused a sun to go nova during the conflict in the Gothic Sector... Ugh.

Let's forget the Blackstone Fortresses by all means. They are not standard issue or even reproducible. They are lost artefacts from the Dark Age of Technology.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-10-08 07:35am

also on the Ultra Marines and Nid invasion. It was the first Nid wave faced, and the weakest. None of the really hard nid's had been Breed yet. (I'm talking about nid's of Titan size amoung other things) it was a scout fleet that they faced on Ultimar, and still they almost lost!

on 40K weapons the Lasgun, is not of a fixed power setting. At full power it can penertrate heavy armour, but it eats through the power packs like nobodys business. (I Believe in one of the Ghost Novels, a man kills a Chaos Marine with one at full power.) mostly they are used at lower power settings to conserve ammo, because the Imperial Guard are front line soldiers that may have to wait a while to be restocked during a push. (Gaunt orders the combined forces he was leading to half power becuase the non-ghost group worked on the theory of full power and you don't have to shoot again. but it would be a while before they where going to be able to get new power packs, they where stuck behind enemy lines. (A Creeping bombardment that was slowly destroying the Chaos Trenches controlled by the Chaos side, to destroy the Imperiums forces because they could no longer hold out.))

Strength Four, Inquistor shows what strength four means, strength four is the abilty to kill a man with a punch, smashing the guys skull. Strength is Human Strength. Thats quite a large leap, which tells you that the 40K stats leave mass areas, it's a rough approax not a cast iron guide, for guides to the power of weapons look to the Fluff. (And take Dan Abnett as your guide... the guys unstoppable)

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-08 02:47pm

Eleas wrote:
willburns84 wrote:When the Night Lords *what*? Destroyed the planet? BDZ'd the planet?

The planet killer is pretty uber, I must admit. Let us not forget the Blackstone fortresses, when two or more were working together, they caused a sun to go nova during the conflict in the Gothic Sector... Ugh.
Let's forget the Blackstone Fortresses by all means. They are not standard issue or even reproducible. They are lost artefacts from the Dark Age of Technology.

Umm, the Blackstone Fortresses are actually the Talismans of Vaul, built by the Eldar to combat the threat of the C'tan and the Necrontyr...

(And take Dan Abnett as your guide... the guys unstoppable

Hes becoming the Fluff-God

although William King isnt to far behind, neithers Graham Mcneil.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-08 02:57pm

white_rabbit wrote:
Eleas wrote:
willburns84 wrote:When the Night Lords *what*? Destroyed the planet? BDZ'd the planet?

The planet killer is pretty uber, I must admit. Let us not forget the Blackstone fortresses, when two or more were working together, they caused a sun to go nova during the conflict in the Gothic Sector... Ugh.
Let's forget the Blackstone Fortresses by all means. They are not standard issue or even reproducible. They are lost artefacts from the Dark Age of Technology.

Umm, the Blackstone Fortresses are actually the Talismans of Vaul, built by the Eldar to combat the threat of the C'tan and the Necrontyr...

My bad. But aside from a minor technicality, my point still stands - the Eldar are at present incapable of building anything even approaching the power of the Talismans of Vaul.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-08 05:25pm

quote]

My bad. But aside from a minor technicality, my point still stands - the Eldar are at present incapable of building anything even approaching the power of the Talismans of Vaul.[/quote]

I wouldnt put it that way, novels like Farseer indicate they are still capable of producing and using weapons like the Akilimor Dark matter superweapons, and Eldar Technology has actually advanced rather than declined since the fall, example being the newest (relitively speaking) clas of Aspect Warrior, the Warp-Spiders...

I would think it more of a case that they dont have the crucial component of the Talismans of Vaul, which I believe was some sort of Eldar Dietys artifacts, techwise, the Eldar still rock..the Blackstones were probably built before humanity even left Terra... The eldar still can build Warpcannons, I think the Tempest Superheavy utilises them..

But I agree, in the main, Warpcannons on that scale along with the other more estoric theorised capabilitys of the Blackstones might be beyond their reach due to resource problems..

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-08 05:29pm

white_rabbit wrote: But I agree, in the main, Warpcannons on that scale along with the other more estoric theorised capabilitys of the Blackstones might be beyond their reach due to resource problems..

Indeed.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-08 07:17pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Does this mean we get to also? *looks for a ship count from when the Night Lords DSed their home planet in a single volley*

DS'ed implies inserting 1e38joules or 50.000 times the energy of shattering it.
Did they destroy it, or shatter it? And how? Into several big pieces of did it make a DS style explosion with bits and pieces flying out at fractions of C?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-08 07:19pm

white_rabbit wrote:Umm, when did a blaster rifle kill something with a near miss ?

I assume by near miss you mean something like a hit on a wall near someones body killing them....otherwise I havent a clue what you mean..

Try ANH

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-08 07:21pm

white_rabbit wrote:
consequences wrote: You've yet to prove that its in excess of 15,000 kilometres, never mind 150,000km (Tyranid bioplasma range)

Be thankful this isnt the IoM v the empire, methinks ranges of 600,000km would be a wee bit difficult for you to compete with using that ROTJ argument.

Not really, I give SW a couple of lightseconds, it's as usual tied to how good their sensor info is at the time.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-10-08 08:01pm

"The Night Lords ships orbited Nostramo, hundreds of weapons trained on the shrouded planet, they rays of the systems dying sun glinting from barrels too numerous to count. As the fabric of space buckled and twisted, disgorging the few ships able to keep pace, the lances and mass drivers of Night Haunters flagship opened fire on the planet.

Beam after beam of incadescent light joined the fusillade, all concentrating upon the same point, a weak point in Nostramos adamantium crust theorised to to be left by the Primarchs initial landing. The lasers of the Night Lords' ships focused a blinding lance of pure energy into the planets core, and with a cataclysmic explosion, the dark planet burst apart."

Either way they blew the planet to pieces.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-08 08:22pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:Umm, when did a blaster rifle kill something with a near miss ?

I assume by near miss you mean something like a hit on a wall near someones body killing them....otherwise I havent a clue what you mean..
Try ANH

Where ?, when ?

HUH ?, could you give me a little more than that perhaps ?

DS'ed implies inserting 1e38joules or 50.000 times the energy of shattering it.
Did they destroy it, or shatter it? And how? Into several big pieces of did it make a DS style explosion with bits and pieces flying out at fractions of C?

Its not just the Night warriors who fragged planets, WordBearers, "shattered" a planet with geonuclear strikes, probably from mass drivers,

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-10 09:37am

Thmp.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-10 09:39am

Thmp.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-10-10 01:53pm

Just what are your last two posts ment to mean?

Also for the Near-miss-blaster-kills in ANH :

Detention centre: guy running down the corridor towards han and Luke
Leia firing at stormtroopers on the retracted bridge.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-10 03:54pm

white_rabbit wrote:quote]

My bad. But aside from a minor technicality, my point still stands - the Eldar are at present incapable of building anything even approaching the power of the Talismans of Vaul.

I wouldnt put it that way, novels like Farseer indicate they are still capable of producing and using weapons like the Akilimor Dark matter superweapons, and Eldar Technology has actually advanced rather than declined since the fall, example being the newest (relitively speaking) clas of Aspect Warrior, the Warp-Spiders...

I would think it more of a case that they dont have the crucial component of the Talismans of Vaul, which I believe was some sort of Eldar Dietys artifacts, techwise, the Eldar still rock..the Blackstones were probably built before humanity even left Terra... The eldar still can build Warpcannons, I think the Tempest Superheavy utilises them..

But I agree, in the main, Warpcannons on that scale along with the other more estoric theorised capabilitys of the Blackstones might be beyond their reach due to resource problems..[/quote]

The eldar Deities are the psycic critters/slann depending on what time period. They are not reproducable. Though the fluff in the Necron Codex makes it seem as if the Deciver has some more stashed somewhere...

Anyway. Lasguns

"as even a laspistol is perfectly capable of shooting through a wall to hit a target beyond, this means it is possible for an antire battle to be fought through floors ceilings and walls without visual contact ever being made."

Codex Cityfight Page ten.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-10 03:58pm

2000AD wrote:Just what are your last two posts ment to mean?

Also for the Near-miss-blaster-kills in ANH :

Detention centre: guy running down the corridor towards han and Luke
Leia firing at stormtroopers on the retracted bridge.

Detention guy, wasn't armoured. He may not have been killed. It is more likely he was burnt by superheated steam from the wall/killed by overpressure. The point is he was not armoured. Next

Stormies on bridge.
Cause of death was falling off the bridge.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-10 06:17pm

NecronLord wrote:Detention guy, wasn't armoured. He may not have been killed. It is more likely he was burnt by superheated steam from the wall/killed by overpressure. The point is he was not armoured. Next

But, on the other hand, I see no one claiming he was armored, just that he was killed. Misdirection.

Stormies on bridge.
Cause of death was falling off the bridge.

Really? Especially the guy who fell a total of 1 meter to the floor of the bridge for a bolt that struck the wall behind him?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-10-10 07:54pm

2000AD wrote:Just what are your last two posts ment to mean?

Also for the Near-miss-blaster-kills in ANH :

Detention centre: guy running down the corridor towards han and Luke

My copy shows what looks like a bolt hitting him, but no pyros.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-11 10:42am

But, on the other hand, I see no one claiming he was armored, just that he was killed. Misdirection

I do......stupidity..review the thread before you post..

[/quote]kill armored troops with a near miss is that

looky here! I think the crucial point is above

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2002-10-11 11:44am

How many shots does a lascannon get at normal (game terms) power level? E-11's IIRC, get something like 100...or at least a sufficiently large number our heros are never seen to reload (though maybe they did it offscreen). And would walls of IoM buildings be as strong as DS corridor walls? And he has the second example, of the people on DS corridor bridge...

I think somewhere on here Sir Darth Wong has done a range analysis on Imperial weapons...did he, or am I hallucinating again? I can't find it...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-11 02:32pm

If you want to be sad the laspistol can penatrate 6imches of concrete (actually Duracrete). scaled up that is over 30 feet.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-12 04:42pm

NecronLord wrote:If you want to be sad the laspistol can penatrate 6imches of concrete (actually Duracrete). scaled up that is over 30 feet.

Thats what i like to hear

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-12 06:17pm

white_rabbit wrote:Where ?, when ?

HUH ?, could you give me a little more than that perhaps ?

Prison scene, bolt impacts the wall next to an imperial and the guy is killed by the explosion, probably because superheated fragments where driven into his neck.
Thats why armor is used.

Its not just the Night warriors who fragged planets, WordBearers, "shattered" a planet with geonuclear strikes, probably from mass drivers,

Yes well shattered does not have imply anywhere near DS levels, one could shatter a planet with much lower energy expenditure.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-12 06:20pm

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-12 06:25pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:Where ?, when ?

HUH ?, could you give me a little more than that perhaps ?
Prison scene, bolt impacts the wall next to an imperial and the guy is killed by the explosion, probably because superheated fragments where driven into his neck.
Thats why armor is used.

Its not just the Night warriors who fragged planets, WordBearers, "shattered" a planet with geonuclear strikes, probably from mass drivers,
Yes well shattered does not have imply anywhere near DS levels, one could shatter a planet with much lower energy expenditure.

So, the guns didnt kill someone with their explosion nearby, and certainly not an armoured individual..

Little edit if I may, the Word Bearers actually blew up three planets on that occasion, the bombardment " cracking the planets apart at the core"

And as has been posted I believe, the Nightlords blew their planet into bits.

And the Planet killer blows up planets as well,