Alyeska wrote:
Their numbers are obviously far too small. A few thousand troops against a world is a ridiculous contest (except in Trek, where 2000 Romulans can be sent to conquer the entire planet Vulcan).
That's impossible though....even if all of the planets population was unarmed.
So I reason that the Romulans were planning on taking over a specific center, like planetary defenses for example.
Darth Wong wrote:Their numbers are obviously far too small. A few thousand troops against a world is a ridiculous contest (except in Trek, where 2000 Romulans can be sent to conquer the entire planet Vulcan).
That's impossible though....even if all of the planets population was unarmed.
So I reason that the Romulans were planning on taking over a specific center, like planetary defenses for example.
ROTFLMAO!!! Federation planets are like Federation starships? Capture the bridge and you have control of the entire planet? The funniest thing about that is ... I can actually see the Federation structuring their planets that way!
Think about it: centralized control. No chance of dissent, thanks to automated population-control and riot-suppression systems which are in place but rarely mentioned if ever. All you have to do is take over the planetary control centre and you have nominal control of the entire planet!
Of course, this would imply incredibly fascist world governments, but everyone knows that I have long suspected Trek of this anyway.
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Darth Wong wrote:Their numbers are obviously far too small. A few thousand troops against a world is a ridiculous contest (except in Trek, where 2000 Romulans can be sent to conquer the entire planet Vulcan).
That's impossible though....even if all of the planets population was unarmed.
So I reason that the Romulans were planning on taking over a specific center, like planetary defenses for example.
ROTFLMAO!!! Federation planets are like Federation starships? Capture the bridge and you have control of the entire planet? The funniest thing about that is ... I can actually see the Federation structuring their planets that way!
Think about it: centralized control. No chance of dissent, thanks to automated population-control and riot-suppression systems which are in place but rarely mentioned if ever. All you have to do is take over the planetary control centre and you have nominal control of the entire planet!
Of course, this would imply incredibly fascist world governments, but everyone knows that I have long suspected Trek of this anyway.
Remember, the Emperor had sole control of the Coruscant atmospheric processing system, and the ability to turn it on and off at will. The Federation having such a system, if a none lethal one, is no big stretch.
However Paradise lost would suggest that while such a system could exist, its capacity must be fairly limited. Perhaps simply automated system-protecting things like power plants and government buildings, everything important.
Without such, the populace can rebel all its wants but would just starve or freeze.
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Darth Wong wrote:Their numbers are obviously far too small. A few thousand troops against a world is a ridiculous contest (except in Trek, where 2000 Romulans can be sent to conquer the entire planet Vulcan).
That's impossible though....even if all of the planets population was unarmed.
So I reason that the Romulans were planning on taking over a specific center, like planetary defenses for example.
ROTFLMAO!!! Federation planets are like Federation starships? Capture the bridge and you have control of the entire planet? The funniest thing about that is ... I can actually see the Federation structuring their planets that way!
Think about it: centralized control. No chance of dissent, thanks to automated population-control and riot-suppression systems which are in place but rarely mentioned if ever. All you have to do is take over the planetary control centre and you have nominal control of the entire planet!
Of course, this would imply incredibly fascist world governments, but everyone knows that I have long suspected Trek of this anyway.
I believe a better description would be "authoritarian totalitarianism," as they are communist.
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Incidentally, how is the Isard's Revenge bit to be justified? Hobbie and Wedge both had experience against Imperial Walkers, and they gained more experience by destroying the walkers on the ground. They then used their torpedoes later to attack starships and succeeded in destroying several fighters with them. I don't see an obvious way to solve this conundrum.
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Master of Ossus wrote:Incidentally, how is the Isard's Revenge bit to be justified? Hobbie and Wedge both had experience against Imperial Walkers, and they gained more experience by destroying the walkers on the ground. They then used their torpedoes later to attack starships and succeeded in destroying several fighters with them. I don't see an obvious way to solve this conundrum.
if the torps are that powerful, fire a torp at the ground near the walkers, and a second later, they fall into a pit hundreds of feet deep, it would blow the earth right up from underneith them, called a Nuclear Crator
Master of Ossus wrote:Incidentally, how is the Isard's Revenge bit to be justified? Hobbie and Wedge both had experience against Imperial Walkers, and they gained more experience by destroying the walkers on the ground. They then used their torpedoes later to attack starships and succeeded in destroying several fighters with them. I don't see an obvious way to solve this conundrum.
if the torps are that powerful, fire a torp at the ground near the walkers, and a second later, they fall into a pit hundreds of feet deep, it would blow the earth right up from underneith them, called a Nuclear Crator
So, how do we justify the statements that were made with the observed effect of proton torpedoes?
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Master of Ossus wrote:Incidentally, how is the Isard's Revenge bit to be justified? Hobbie and Wedge both had experience against Imperial Walkers, and they gained more experience by destroying the walkers on the ground. They then used their torpedoes later to attack starships and succeeded in destroying several fighters with them. I don't see an obvious way to solve this conundrum.
if the torps are that powerful, fire a torp at the ground near the walkers, and a second later, they fall into a pit hundreds of feet deep, it would blow the earth right up from underneith them, called a Nuclear Crator
So, how do we justify the statements that were made with the observed effect of proton torpedoes?
the commander in charge of the x-wings was an idiot, and coudln't think 'out side the box'
Wedge is clearly not an idiot, and he is constantly thinking "outside of the box," and his entire squadron would have to be equally stupid. They specifically mentioned it as a possibility, but dismissed it because they did not want to waste torpedoes.
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Master of Ossus wrote:Wedge is clearly not an idiot, and he is constantly thinking "outside of the box," and his entire squadron would have to be equally stupid. They specifically mentioned it as a possibility, but dismissed it because they did not want to waste torpedoes.
well, AT-AT's don't have any visible thrusters for levitation, and cant right themselves when they fall over, so what is keeping them on their feet when the earth dissappears under them?
maybe we have to look at the torp properties instead
Yes was that Stackpole of AA who write Issard? I think it was Stackpole is whos a bit of a know science idiot
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If we take this certain incident at face value, its going to be impossible to account for the AT'AT's or proton torpedo's 'properties' and if we even try, we'll be making something up out of our asses, its best to forget about this incident in ths novel, its very obvious he just wasn't aware of nuclear blast crators
Megaton nuclear weapons *could* be used. However, that's assuming the AT-ATs are competly alone with no support away from anything important. And you'd quickly run out of missles.
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Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Megaton nuclear weapons *could* be used. However, that's assuming the AT-ATs are competly alone with no support away from anything important. And you'd quickly run out of missles.
run out of missles? there are 20,000+ nuclear missles around the world, all in the 300 kt range, some higher some lower, all it takes is a ground burst near a formation of AT-AT's and its over for them. You don't need 5 mt's to make a huge crator, a 220 KT tomahawk cruise missle will do just fine
I've been reading up on the net about the Neutron Bomb, it infact is designed just to kill people and does a good job at it too, its radiation is more deadly than a hydrogen bomb, the radiation is designed to go through several feet of concrete, metal or earth.
What about those poor storm troopers? Their armour isn't even dense enough to stop an arrow fired from a bow made out of sticks
Omega-13 wrote:I've been reading up on the net about the Neutron Bomb, it infact is designed just to kill people and does a good job at it too, its radiation is more deadly than a hydrogen bomb, the radiation is designed to go through several feet of concrete, metal or earth.
What about those poor storm troopers? Their armour isn't even dense enough to stop an arrow fired from a bow made out of sticks
Be prepared to be flamed. There are some out there who feel the 30mm Avenger cannon from the A-10 couldn't hope to penetrate Storm trooper armor.
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Omega-13 wrote:What about those poor storm troopers? Their armour isn't even dense enough to stop an arrow fired from a bow made out of sticks
Be prepared to be flamed. There are some out there who feel the 30mm Avenger cannon from the A-10 couldn't hope to penetrate Storm trooper armor.
The 30mm would either penetrate stormie armour or kill its wearer through blunt-force trauma; its recoil alone bucks the entire plane. However, Omega-13 is either trolling or being a complete dumb-ass with his statement above. No arrow ever penetrated the armour plate on a stormie in ROTJ. Some stormies might have gotten wounded by arrows hitting the flexible joint coverings, but only a blithering idiot could actually interpret that as arrows penetrating the armour itself.
As for all of this mass-destruction stuff, why the fuck do people always assume that an invasion force with virtually unlimited flexibility in deployment will land in the middle of nowhere, so that you can safely use weapons of mass destruction against them? I made this point earlier, and it got lost in the shuffle.
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there is that kelvar like stuff in the joints of the stormy armour, that thin material that lets an arrow through would certainly let radiation through
Darth Wong wrote:
As for all of this mass-destruction stuff, why the fuck do people always assume that an invasion force with virtually unlimited flexibility in deployment will land in the middle of nowhere, so that you can safely use weapons of mass destruction against them? I made this point earlier, and it got lost in the shuffle.
I presume the assumption is that the invasion force must be stopped at all costs, and that civilian casualties (even if the Imperial forces landed in the middle of a city) are acceptable.
