Ender Wiggin VS Grand Admiral Thrawn

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-03 01:48pm

How well does Ender know the TIE's? I mean in Ender's Game he damn near fucked up because he didn't know his "officers" well enough. He pushed too hard and it almost cost him a battle, in the sim.

In a fight like this I don't think he would win. He was never in the situation where he would have to command so many ships by himself. I doubt that even he could handle it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-03 02:58pm

Ender could probably not beat Thrawn regularly. Thrawn has no weaknesses as a commander, and would likely exploit Ender's humanity to his benefit. Thrawn likely has Ender's reflexes, but also more knowledge of combat than Ender. I think that Thrawn wins.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-11-03 03:05pm

Thrawn wins. Thrawn *never* loses. He is capable of anticipating each and every one of his foes' moves and has annhilated massive enemy forces with ease in the past. Ender's tactical 'brilliance' consisted of him manuevering his starships around looking for targets to shoot at.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-11-03 03:24pm

Thrawn has more experience, and I think that will be the deciding factor.

He will know better than Ender how to command his men, simply because he's been a commander half his life. Ender spent his youth in the company of military instructors and child geniuses, and his adulthood pretty much alone. Thrawn will have a better idea of how far he can push his men, and how Ender's men will react to movements.

There isn't much room for Ender to pull out winning maneuver tactics, because Thrawn doesn't have exploitable holes in his skills there. In fact, Thrawn is probably every bit as much a genius in that arena as Ender, if not more so (remember his first encounter with the Imperials).

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-11-03 04:47pm

How much do the combatants know about each other.

If they're going in cold, then Thrawn will win but with some losses. his experience with starfighter tactics and his particular experience with the TIE will ensure that he does win, Ender's mild tactical knowledge will allow him some consolation kills, but overall he will lose.

If they're prepped, Thrawn will walk away with it, Ender's so fucked up in so many ways Thrawn will be able to crack him open with ease.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2002-11-04 04:48am

For this lets say morality is not an issue as I intended this to be tactics.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-04 05:01am

Gandalf wrote:For this lets say morality is not an issue as I intended this to be tactics.

I'd like to go with Thrawn. Ender was in a simulator...he never really knew what he was doing, he thought it was a game. Thrawn, however, has been conditioned a lot longer to know the battlefield, and to get inside the opponents' heads (sfiguratively speaking). Thrawn will be able to recognize what Ender is doing, and not vice versa. THrawn wins due to greater conditioning and experience.

mew.

Yes, I am evil.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-04 05:11am

As far as the Morality strawman, one has to remember, while I have never read any of the OSC books yet, A few friends have given me a cliff notes version, where the basic giest is that it was a situation like David Weber's "In Death Ground", Heinlines"Starship troopers", Andromeda fighting the Magog, Reach for the Stars "Hive Wars", Ripley vs. the Xenomorphs, the Cyborgs of Legion of the Damned. You are faced with an intractable, alien race who will kill you unless you kill them. That's plain war, on the scale that you don't see any more.