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Post by Mr Bean »

What reason do you have to think your weapons outrange Trantor weapons?
Its stated as such, They have to close and orbit a Planet to Bombard it in the Fall of Trantor(Which was not Destroyed BTW but the planet's Towers where wrecked not melted or destroyed just wreaked)

I believe the Mule destroyed a planet he thought the Second Foundation was based on
No he bombared it it was not Destroyed

At any rate, do you have any reason to disregard this evidence? After all, the "Uber Turbolasers" from ICS are never seen to fire in the movie, yet nobody tries to deny their power (okay, I'm sure some crazed trekkies do but they deny everything.)
Because there are many diffrent was of Destroying a Planet, The ICS is solid numbers not "Destroy a Planet" with visable effects as we saw with the DS which had 60X the force nessary to Destroy a Planet if I remeber my Numbers Corrrectly(Its designed to Destroy Shielded Planets)

Meanwhile we have "Destroy a Planet" but never SEE a Planet Destroyed and then we have Trantor Which was bombared by a Fleet yet very much survives...

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maybe trantor is armored similarly to ISDs

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maybe trantor is armored similarly to ISDs
And if one realy has a ship that can "Destroy a planet" do you think the armor of an ISD is going to help?

And furthermore its stated as being one big city but mostly empty space and shorter than the towers of Courscant

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I don't remember it being stated that Trantor was bombarded. However, it would be necessary to bombard Trantor to pierce the planetary shield. In the book Foundation and Empire, it stated that armies were laned on Trantor. Presumably their attacks left Tranor's metal cver,and its interior wrecked. It was stated that a fleet of Spacer ships could blast Earth into rubble in Robots and Empire, which took place many thousands of years before the Empire was established.
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corbomite wrote:Orginally posted by His Divine Shadow
Nope,
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Anyway, getting back on topic, I really don't feel it's going to be simple to do a comparison between the two, since there is very little technical data on the Foundation. Asimov was generally not interested in highly technical "hard" science fiction, the setting was merely a vessel in which to tell the story. Two completely different philosophies.

(BTW, the Mule is canon, Second Foundation trilogy is official, just in case anyone was confused by that earlier post...I was for about 5 minutes).
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